If Craig Anderson hadn't got hurt, he would not only win, he'd be the only one on the ballot.
- the_terror

If he kept those numbers up? Yea.

BlueJackets make playoffs Bob wins Vezina. If they don't then right now Rask is your winner. Rask is top 3 GAA and Sv. Pct.

The team might be low on confidence. Him letting that one goal lost all confidence for that teams to go out there and get one. This is why people say it's the "important" saves that matter. You said someone is a "homer" for considering Price. Why because his save% is lower?, or his GAA? If you'd whatch him play you would see that he makes the saves that matter which leads to him having 19 wins and 3 shutouts along with a respectful GAA and SA%. You would also see that because the team is so much on the offence, most goals he let in are on the PP or oddmen rush where he has absolutely no chances.

I think Hank is a superb goalie. Definately top 5, and that the Rags do suck. However he is putting us a slightly above .500, with no shutouts.
- l3ig_l2ecl

I was the one who said people are being homers. And you may wanna check those stats again.

Henrik - 2.07 GAA, .928 Save %
Price - 2.26 GAA, .916 Save %

my formula, using all goalies with 20+ games except Kiprusoff, looks at the difference between last (0 pts) and first (100 pts) among those goalies in the 3 stats wins, GAA, and Save%. I also add a bonus of #shutouts*2.

=(WINS-10)*10 + (3.02-GAA)*(100/1.07) + (SAVE%-0.896)*(100/0.032) + SHUTOUTS*2

265.7429906542 Antti Niemi SJS
262.875 Tuukka Rask BOS
258.785046729 Henrik Lundqvist NYR
229.9088785047 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT
229.6425233645 Corey Crawford CHI
229.5280373832 Carey Price MTL
222.1238317757 Cory Schneider VAN
216.9871495327 Sergei Bobrovsky CBJ
211.3306074766 Niklas Backstrom MIN
202.9509345794 Viktor Fasth ANA
186.6343457944 Jimmy Howard DET
174.7955607477 Pekka Rinne NSH
163.2219626168 Braden Holtby WSH
162.6039719626 James Reimer TOR
152.7640186916 Evgeni Nabokov NYI
151.9789719626 Devan Dubnyk EDM
138.1448598131 Kari Lehtonen DAL
122.7394859813 Ryan Miller BUF
118.0046728972 Martin Brodeur NJD
111.8364485981 Jonas Hiller ANA
103.691588785 Ondrej Pavelec WPG
87.7827102804 Jonathan Quick LAK
85.0841121495 Ilya Bryzgalov PHI
83.9719626168 Mike Smith PHX
34.9591121495 Anders Lindback TBL
24.75 Semyon Varlamov COL


EDIT: woops i didnt re-sort after adding in the shutouts bonus, but the list is correct now

my formula, using all goalies with 20+ games except Kiprusoff, looks at the difference between last (0 pts) and first (100 pts) among those goalies in the 3 stats wins, GAA, and Save%. I also add a bonus of #shutouts*2.

=(WINS-10)*10 + (3.02-GAA)*(100/1.07) + (SAVE%-0.896)*(100/0.032) + SHUTOUTS*2

265.7429906542 Antti Niemi SJS
258.785046729 Henrik Lundqvist NYR
262.875 Tuukka Rask BOS
229.9088785047 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT
229.6425233645 Corey Crawford CHI
229.5280373832 Carey Price MTL
222.1238317757 Cory Schneider VAN
216.9871495327 Sergei Bobrovsky CBJ
211.3306074766 Niklas Backstrom MIN
202.9509345794 Viktor Fasth ANA
186.6343457944 Jimmy Howard DET
174.7955607477 Pekka Rinne NSH
162.6039719626 James Reimer TOR
163.2219626168 Braden Holtby WSH
151.9789719626 Devan Dubnyk EDM
152.7640186916 Evgeni Nabokov NYI
138.1448598131 Kari Lehtonen DAL
122.7394859813 Ryan Miller BUF
118.0046728972 Martin Brodeur NJD
111.8364485981 Jonas Hiller ANA
103.691588785 Ondrej Pavelec WPG
87.7827102804 Jonathan Quick LAK
85.0841121495 Ilya Bryzgalov PHI
83.9719626168 Mike Smith PHX
34.9591121495 Anders Lindback TBL
24.75 Semyon Varlamov COL
- geoff_182

Dont think it matters how to break down the #'s, looks like youll always end up with Niemi, Rask and Hank as the top 3.

i would rank them

1. carey price
2. MAF
3. bob

at this point.

hank 1
Niemi 2
Rask 3
Bob 4
Price 5

Assuming he stays healthy the rest of the way and remains ridiculously ahead statistically, Anderson, without question.
- John Jaeckel

Man

Eklund: Bobrovsky for Vezina
- Eklund

Bobrovsky for #1 cop on the force!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb7UlwCIKQ

:Sigh: That sounds about right. This organization for all they do right, just cannot make a smart decision on goaltenders. I still remember when they signed Beezer instead of Cujo in his prime over the difference of a couple million. I remember thinking when they traded Bob this summer that it was a stupid move. Always nice to pick up a couple of draft picks like they did, but there's a reason the Kings still have Bernier, the Canucks hung on to Schneider, etc. If you have a young goaltender who has shown flashes of success, yet hasn't even come close to reaching their prime you hang onto them. Especially after the season that Bryz had last year. Oh well. Perhaps Mason can follow the same model and get his career back on track.

Top goalies with minimum 20 games started, sorted by GAA, including other stats and ranks:

1. Tuukka Rask - 1.95 GAA
GS: 27
Total SA (Rank): 712 (#17)
Total SV% (Rank): .927 (#2)
EV SV% (Rank): .932 (#6)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #3
Team SA/G Rank: #8
Team Times SH (Rank): 124 (#12)
Team PK SA (Rank): 135 (#1)
Team PK Time (Rank): 218:38 (#18)
Team Times PP (Rank): 97 (#30)
Team PP Time (Rank): 162:46 (#30)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 219 (#28)

2. Corey Crawford - 2.01 GAA
GS: 22
Total SA (Rank): 580 (#22)
Total SV% (Rank): .922 (#7)
EV SV% (Rank): .931 (#8)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #4
Team SA/G Rank: #4
Team Times SH (Rank): 111 (#1)
Team PK SA (Rank): 142 (#3)
Team PK Time (Rank): 183:03 (#1)
Team Times PP (Rank): 124 (#21)
Team PP Time (Rank): 213:43 (#16)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 266 (#19)

3. Henrik Lundqvist - 2.07 GAA
GS: 33
Total SA (Rank): 941 (#6)
Total SV% (Rank): .928 (#1)
EV SV% (Rank): .938 (#1)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #9
Team SA/G Rank: #17
Team Times SH (Rank): 125 (#13)
Team PK SA (Rank): 169 (#14)
Team PK Time (Rank): 203:15 (#10)
Team Times PP (Rank): 116 (#26)
Team PP Time (Rank): 195:24 (#25)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 320 (#7)

4. Sergei Bobrovsky - 2.12 GAA
GS: 28
Total SA (Rank): 811 (#15)
Total SV% (Rank): .927 (#2)
EV SV% (Rank): .933 (#3)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #25
Team SA/G Rank: #20
Team Times SH (Rank): 121 (#10)
Team PK SA (Rank): 160 (#11)
Team PK Time (Rank): 209:05 (#12)
Team Times PP (Rank): 136 (#11)
Team PP Time (Rank): 232:11 (#5)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 264 (#21)

5. Antii Niemi - 2.14 GAA
GS: 34
Total SA (Rank): 965 (#4)
Total SV% (Rank): .924 (#5)
EV SV% (Rank): .929 (#11)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #12
Team SA/G Rank: #16
Team Times SH (Rank): 120 (#5)
Team PK SA (Rank): 149 (#5)
Team PK Time (Rank): 194:22 (#7)
Team Times PP (Rank): 150 (#2)
Team PP Time (Rank): 238:24 (#3)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 401 (#1)

6. Corey Schneider - 2.16 GAA
GS: 24
Total SA (Rank): 665 (#21)
Total SV% (Rank): .926 (#4)
EV SV% (Rank): .933 (#3)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #6
Team SA/G Rank: #11
Team Times SH (Rank): 136 (#20)
Team PK SA (Rank): 172 (#16)
Team PK Time (Rank): 222:11 (#21)
Team Times PP (Rank): 132 (#15)
Team PP Time (Rank): 224:41 (#11)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 225 (#27)

7. Martin Broduer - 2.18 GAA
GS: 22
Total SA (Rank): 534 (#26)
Total SV% (Rank): .908 (#17)
EV SV% (Rank): .921 (#17)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #2
Team SA/G Rank: #2
Team Times SH (Rank): 138 (#23)
Team PK SA (Rank): 151 (#7)
Team PK Time (Rank): 218:56 (#19)
Team Times PP (Rank): 142 (#4)
Team PP Time (Rank): 227:55 (#9)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 171 (#30)

8. Carey Price - 2.26 GAA
GS: 31
Total SA (Rank): 830 (#14)
Total SV% (Rank): .916 (#12)
EV SV% (Rank): .929 (#11)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #10
Team SA/G Rank: #5
Team Times SH (Rank): 134 (#17)
Team PK SA (Rank): 162 (#12)
Team PK Time (Rank): 211:11 (#14)
Team Times PP (Rank): 156 (#1)
Team PP Time (Rank): 246:29 (#1)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 320 (#7)

9. Marc-Andre Fluery - 2.28 GAA
GS: 25
Total SA (Rank): 698 (#18)
Total SV% (Rank): .918 (#9)
EV SV% (Rank): .933 (#3)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #14
Team SA/G Rank: #15
Team Times SH (Rank): 137 (#22)
Team PK SA (Rank): 189 (#23)
Team PK Time (Rank): 224:37 (#23)
Team Times PP (Rank): 132 (#15)
Team PP Time (Rank): 213:24 (#17)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 328 (#4)

10. Pekka Rinne - 2.32 GAA
GS: 37
Total SA (Rank): 972 (#3)
Total SV% (Rank): .915 (#13)
EV SV% (Rank): .932 (#6)
Team Puck Possession Rank: #26
Team SA/G Rank: #6
Team Times SH (Rank): 120 (#5)
Team PK SA (Rank): 158 (#10)
Team PK Time (Rank): 196:38 (#8)
Team Times PP (Rank): 122 (#22)
Team PP Time (Rank): 204:15 (#20)
Team Blocked Shots (Rank): 290 (#12)

These stats tell the story a little bit more about the teams playing in front of these goalies.

For example, Crawford (and Emery for that matter) benefit greatly from the team playing in front of them, [as if we already didnt know that!]. They are one of the top puck possession teams, they take the least amount of penalties, and when they are on the PK, they arent giving up many shots, a top 5 team in giving up the fewest amount of shots per game at that.

Hank is doing his usual. His team has good puck possession numbers, but they are still middle of the pack allowing shots. So hes facing a lot of shots and saving them. His team blocks a lot of shots too.

Bobrovsky is doing extremely well this year. His team is bottom 5 in puck possession, and they are top 10 in giving up the most amount of shots per game and he is ranked in the top 3 in Total and EV SV%!

Niemi benefits from his teams special teams the most. Taking some of the fewest penalties, and giving up top 5 fewest shots on the PK. They are top 3 in number of PP they are on the ice for. They are #1 for blocked shots, but hes 11th in EV SV%.

Rinne does well in a good defensive system. They are one of the leagues worst teams at puck possession yet they are top 10 in giving up the fewest shots against!

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I think my top 3 would be:

1. Lundqvist
2. Bobrovsky
3. Rask/Crawford/Niemi

Eklund: Bobrovsky for Vezina
- Eklund

HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

JacketsBuzz

Top goalies with minimum 20 games started, sorted by GAA, including other stats and ranks:


I think my top 3 would be:

1. Lundqvist
2. Bobrovsky
3. Rask/Crawford/Niemi
- theblueandgold

I can count to potato.

I can count to potato.
- Rocktane

Well, you are a Flyers fan so that's to be expected.

I can count to potato.
- Rocktane

Steve Mason will turn it around, hang in there.

Steve Mason will turn it around, hang in there.
- theblueandgold

The only thing Steve Mason is turning around, is your mother.

The only thing Steve Mason is turning around, is your mother.
- Rocktane

- theblueandgold

Well, this got awkward fast.

I normally don't give ek crap but check your facts bro. Hasek won in 93-94 and 94-95. Carey won in 95-96.

Michael Chaput
Here is something interesting on saw on twitter @YoungGunsDaily from NHL Young Guns Daily:
@YoungGunsDaily: PROSPECT 38: M.Chaput, F. #Jackets-Two way center helps in both ends, Great on faceoffs,Good at finding open space, Has to improve strength…

Has anyone heard anything good about him or his development out of the minors ?

GET OUT OF MY OFFICE BOBROVSKY TAKE THE REST OF THE DAY OFF

Keslord for MVP

my formula, using all goalies with 20+ games except Kiprusoff, looks at the difference between last (0 pts) and first (100 pts) among those goalies in the 3 stats wins, GAA, and Save%. I also add a bonus of #shutouts*2.

=(WINS-10)*10 + (3.02-GAA)*(100/1.07) + (SAVE%-0.896)*(100/0.032) + SHUTOUTS*2

265.7429906542 Antti Niemi SJS
262.875 Tuukka Rask BOS
258.785046729 Henrik Lundqvist NYR
229.9088785047 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT
229.6425233645 Corey Crawford CHI
229.5280373832 Carey Price MTL
222.1238317757 Cory Schneider VAN
216.9871495327 Sergei Bobrovsky CBJ
211.3306074766 Niklas Backstrom MIN
202.9509345794 Viktor Fasth ANA
186.6343457944 Jimmy Howard DET
174.7955607477 Pekka Rinne NSH
163.2219626168 Braden Holtby WSH
162.6039719626 James Reimer TOR
152.7640186916 Evgeni Nabokov NYI
151.9789719626 Devan Dubnyk EDM
138.1448598131 Kari Lehtonen DAL
122.7394859813 Ryan Miller BUF
118.0046728972 Martin Brodeur NJD
111.8364485981 Jonas Hiller ANA
103.691588785 Ondrej Pavelec WPG
87.7827102804 Jonathan Quick LAK
85.0841121495 Ilya Bryzgalov PHI
83.9719626168 Mike Smith PHX
34.9591121495 Anders Lindback TBL
24.75 Semyon Varlamov COL


EDIT: woops i didnt re-sort after adding in the shutouts bonus, but the list is correct now
- geoff_182

Do you really think anyone's actually gonna read through this poop? This is why I hate advanced stats.