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Forums :: Blog World :: Richard Cloutier: Do Oilers Fans Have a Right to be Angry?
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newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Apr 9 @ 8:15 AM ET
Frankly, you probably would've been better off had you just left your response as it was originally. If you really want to call out others on lack of class, it helps to practice what you preach.
- MaximumBone



You're right, the Oilers fans are as classless as any in the league!!
JLO961
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 01.16.2013

Apr 9 @ 8:21 AM ET
The Kings and Ducks are two of the best teams in the NHL and the OIL played alright against them.

Reach down between your legs, grab your hair, and pull your head out of your assss.

nellie04
Joined: 02.26.2013

Apr 9 @ 8:23 AM ET
Mac T. runs this ship and it will be clear to all once this season is over.Likely some major changes going to occur in front office and possibly with RK.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Apr 9 @ 8:28 AM ET
Who saw this coming?
Al Hacker
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Stony Plain, AB
Joined: 02.10.2007

Apr 9 @ 8:30 AM ET
It's always about next season with the Oilers, hell it's been going on since their 06 run.

As I've said too many times, until they move 1 or 2 of their so-called untouchables for big, skilled wingers, this team isn't winning jack poop. They will continue to get pushed around until management falls on their heads & wake up!!

I don't care what anyone says, goaltending(although not been the entire problem) is also NOT proven & their defense is shady at best.

End result, the Oilers are in a position that shouldn't surprise anyone, another year of missed playoffs.

But then again, i'm sure we'll start hearing about how this team wasn't expected to make it(despite last week when most were saying they had a great chance) and this is just another year under the belts of the young players, they're gaining experience - blah,blah,blah!!

No size equals no success or I guess teams like LA, Anaheim & even the Blues, who have size and skill are simply a fluke!!

- newmy


Cloutier is not the GM of the Oilers. FYI, the Oilers have never in their entire history had an untouchable asset. They traded several HOF players, including the player with the most points in history. Trading the 'untouchables' this year would not have won the cup, why trade a potential star player before he can legally drink?

How does a goaltender get proven? They play games. What a stupid comment, should we have traded for Bishop? Guess what, he isn't exactly proven either. How about Bernier, yup, less proven.

Which large productive (cause having big goons does not make a team better) were available for trade? Lucic, nope. Backes, nope. Getzlaf, nope. Malkin, nope. Perry, nope.
Al Hacker
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Stony Plain, AB
Joined: 02.10.2007

Apr 9 @ 8:30 AM ET
You're right, the Oilers fans are as classless as any in the league!!
- newmy


And yet, window lickers like yourself spend all day in Oilers blogs....
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Apr 9 @ 8:35 AM ET
Big mistake of not trading Paajarvi for Bishop. It would have not saved your season, but at least you would have been ready for next year.

You will still be bad next year. Bad development, bad goalies, super good players. I'm pissed because I wish the SENS had all this talent up front.

Ridiculous

- SENSpatriot


not on the top of the list of things to do to address edm. thumbs up for senators getting what they got from tbl though, but edm need to address size and d-man before going the route of giving up an asset like mps for goaltending.
newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Apr 9 @ 8:39 AM ET
Cloutier is not the GM of the Oilers. FYI, the Oilers have never in their entire history had an untouchable asset. They traded several HOF players, including the player with the most points in history. Trading the 'untouchables' this year would not have won the cup, why trade a potential star player before he can legally drink?

How does a goaltender get proven? They play games. What a stupid comment, should we have traded for Bishop? Guess what, he isn't exactly proven either. How about Bernier, yup, less proven.

Which large productive (cause having big goons does not make a team better) were available for trade? Lucic, nope. Backes, nope. Getzlaf, nope. Malkin, nope. Perry, nope.

- Al Hacker



Actually, clown, you could have had a few guys if you would give up some of those untouchables - but Lowe & Tambi won't trade those guys - good, sit where you are, I could care less, all your skill won't win you nothing!!
newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Apr 9 @ 8:40 AM ET
And yet, window lickers like yourself spend all day in Oilers blogs....
- Al Hacker



and you live in stony plain, sorry to hear that!!
nellie04
Joined: 02.26.2013

Apr 9 @ 8:46 AM ET
Fire Kruger......hire Lindy Ruff......2013 1st pick......RNH.......Hemsky all in play.Nice to keep drafting high end prospects but this team has needs to compliment the kids here now.
Seitch2
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Port Perry, ON
Joined: 07.03.2012

Apr 9 @ 8:48 AM ET
Not sure why they are lacking the intelligence to acquire some GOOD players that can mentor the young players. They could've bit on O'Byrne but we got him instead. Not sure how they expect a bunch of kids and ryan smith to win a Stanley cup.
Al Hacker
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Stony Plain, AB
Joined: 02.10.2007

Apr 9 @ 8:55 AM ET
Actually, clown, you could have had a few guys if you would give up some of those untouchables - but Lowe & Tambi won't trade those guys - good, sit where you are, I could care less, all your skill won't win you nothing!!
- newmy


Has Lowe or Tambi told you this? If not then you know nothing. For someone who could care less, you sure spend a lot of time in here posting.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 9 @ 8:55 AM ET
I dont' think oiler fans should be TOO angry......most of them/you knew exactly what you were getting when the team decided to go full rebuild.

there is a great young core in place, that are developing well, so all is good there.

perhaps they can be a little annoyed at management for not really being able to surround the young core with the right players, and an apparant inability to fix the needs of this team, for a few years now.

if the fans are going to be angry at anyone, then it should be focused almost 100% on the GM (and the guy apparantely pulling his strings). outside of 1st rd picks, they don't seem to be very good at judging talent, or being able to pull off the deals that need to be made to improve the team. it's fine to develop your young studs, but a team needs more than that to win.

some people say that "fans don't know what's going on, or what the gm is trying to do", but the fact is that the GM is paid to make the team better.....so whether he's trying to or not, the fact is that he's not getting it done. outside of drafting, and signing schultz, almost every move the oilers have made in the last 3 or so years have either been bad, or completely irrelevant.

even though they're still "developign" there is way too much talent on that team for them to not be winning. there are atleast 3-4 teams who are currently in a playoff position, with a less talented core group of players.

i think a change at GM would be a real good step in teh right direction for this team.....get someone who can come in and evaluate what the oilers have, and bring in the right people to surround them with. i think it's become pretty apparent that the current management group isn't able to do that.

as for the sens fan who said bishop for PRV.............as much as i'd LOVE to have gotten that deal, i don't think it's what the oilers needed. even IF bishop is a step up from dubnyk, he's not a very big step up, and goaltending isn't the biggest need that team has. if they were to trade PRV, they'd be MUCH better off if they traded him for a top 4 Dman, or big powerforward.

so, with things staying as they are, the oilers will get there, but it will be slow.....however, with a new management team in place, one who's more effective at judging talent and identifying team needs, i think improvement would happen much sooner.

a good management team is BY FAR the most important factor in building/re-building a great team.

just my 2 cents
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 9 @ 8:59 AM ET
Has Lowe or Tambi told you this? If not then you know nothing. For someone who could care less, you sure spend a lot of time in here posting.
- Al Hacker


i don't think it's really important whether they're untouchable or not........

the fact is, a good management team has to improve the franchise.....whether they're unwilling to make the neccessary moves, or have tried and failed, the fact is that the moves needed to make this team better aren't being made. the only real good assets coming into this team are from their high 1st rd picks (and one FA).

It's time for a change at the top
the_terror
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 07.20.2009

Apr 9 @ 9:17 AM ET
I told you this two blogs ago, and I'll say it again.

Your team has been in perpetual rebuild since 2006, not because you don't have the right players on the ice, but because your organization is downright awful at developing talent.

There's no question that your scouting staff has made it's share of mistakes over the past 20 years or so. The Oilers draft record is a who's-who of who-the-f***-is-Jesse Niinimaki-or-Jani Rita. Even the can't-miss picks you've had (RNH, Hall, Yakupov) haven't made the Oilers into a playoff team.

So, first of all, your management needs to address scouting. Especially now that you're not picking first overall. You should hope that Tambellini goes out and finds a new director of scouting, one with a proven track record, and then give him the ability to fire everyone you've got there and bring in his people.

So that puts the right bodies in the organization.

Back to your early picks, and the second problem. The Oilers are rushing their players into the NHL. Last place is last place, they would have been there with or without Hall and Eberle and RNH. So why not give them the extra year of junior, or a year in the minors, to work on their craft, develop their skills, gain confidence while becoming dominant players in that league? There's two possible answers to this. One is that the Oilers management lacks patience and decides that the best place to develop teenaged hockey talent is in the best league in the world, despite the fact that every single piece of evidence points to the opposite. The other possibility is that Oilers management has absolutely no confidence in their minor league development system. I'd say it's probably a combination of both. With the amount of draft picks an NHL team gets, they should be able to churn out quality NHL players at varying roles and skill levels IF their minor league staff understands how to develop talent, which they clearly do not.

So, the question is, why is the rebuild taking forever? The short answer to that question is that the Oilers have done it ALL WRONG. They couldn't help finishing dead last in the league, they were terrible. Any monkey in a suit could have picked Hall or RNH or Yakupov. But even talents like that need time to develop, and instead the Oilers threw every single one of them into the NHL before they were ready, and it's no wonder why the Oilers continue to suck, and will continue to suck as time goes by.

Until they address their ORGANIZATIONAL deficiencies, NOT their on-ice deficiencies, they are going to be in a perpetual state of rebuilding.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Apr 9 @ 9:22 AM ET
Actually, clown, you could have had a few guys if you would give up some of those untouchables - but Lowe & Tambi won't trade those guys - good, sit where you are, I could care less, all your skill won't win you nothing!!
- newmy

People female dog when we give up Reider or a 4th rounder. I'd love to see these boards when a Jordan Eberle is dealt.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 9 @ 9:29 AM ET


Lots of experts in here today.



We are blessed.


Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Apr 9 @ 9:33 AM ET
i don't think it's really important whether they're untouchable or not........

the fact is, a good management team has to improve the franchise.....whether they're unwilling to make the neccessary moves, or have tried and failed, the fact is that the moves needed to make this team better aren't being made. the only real good assets coming into this team are from their high 1st rd picks (and one FA).

It's time for a change at the top

- sensarmy_11

Who's to say we have to be making big trades to make the team better now?

I'd assume this is the make it or break it summer for ST. Not last year. Kinda goes with the plan he laid out that people seem to just change on their own.
LeafsNation91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.04.2011

Apr 9 @ 9:40 AM ET
Join the Leafs bandwagon
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 9 @ 9:40 AM ET
Who's to say we have to be making big trades to make the team better now?

I'd assume this is the make it or break it summer for ST. Not last year. Kinda goes with the plan he laid out that people seem to just change on their own.

- Lahey


i didn't say anything about big trades. the oilers already have all the "big players" they need....i was more addressing the moves needed to fix the problems. bring in a big body top six guy, or a shutdown guy, or like clouts said (can't believe i'm quoting him, lol) a left-handed PMD. they don't have to be big moves, just moves that address the needs of the team.

it seems the only moves the oilers have made in teh last few years, are to bring in 4th line plugs, or 6-7 d-men.

i think there are lots of "small moves" that could probably be made to address the oilers needs, and that would go a long way to improving this team, now and in the future.

the team just needs management who can identify where those deals are.

they get made all the time, but it never seems to be the oilers making them.
LeafsNation91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.04.2011

Apr 9 @ 9:46 AM ET
If you need a Left-Side PMD.

We'll give you Liles...And we'll take All-Star Lander in return.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Apr 9 @ 9:50 AM ET
i didn't say anything about big trades. the oilers already have all the "big players" they need....i was more addressing the moves needed to fix the problems. bring in a big body top six guy, or a shutdown guy, or like clouts said (can't believe i'm quoting him, lol) a left-handed PMD. they don't have to be big moves, just moves that address the needs of the team.

it seems the only moves the oilers have made in teh last few years, are to bring in 4th line plugs, or 6-7 d-men.

i think there are lots of "small moves" that could probably be made to address the oilers needs, and that would go a long way to improving this team, now and in the future.

the team just needs management who can identify where those deals are.

they get made all the time, but it never seems to be the oilers making them.

- sensarmy_11
We added Fistric, Brown and Smithson. Not big moves, but moves that addressed some issues. Outside of overpaying there is very little you can do during the year.

I'm waiting til the summer is done to make judgement.
t_leafs21
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Nylander - Matthews - Marner, forever, ON
Joined: 07.26.2010

Apr 9 @ 9:52 AM ET
I'd say so. Should of at least cashed in Ryan Whitney. Tambellini stinks
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Apr 9 @ 9:53 AM ET
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Apr 9 @ 9:54 AM ET
I'd say so. Should of at least cashed in Ryan Whitney. Tambellini stinks
- t_leafs21

For what? A draft pick? There was no point in trading roster players for picks unless someone was going to drastically overpay. Can't just pull the plug on a team that is in a playoff hunt for the first time in years.
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