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BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Apr 10 @ 2:44 PM ET
got to work "bear" and "lost in the woods" in there somehow
- Marc D


Go with something tiger related: Byrz's Tiger Tale Pale Ale.

http://youtu.be/XsDKXzZFH6o
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 2:45 PM ET
I think we have a higher chance of trading Briere than winning the lottery. That make you feel better?
- FlyersGrace


Nope. I don't see much chance of moving him, now that the TDL is passed. He's the kind of guy that teams would want to rent, not carry all year
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Apr 10 @ 2:45 PM ET
Homer will have the 7th pick in the draft and trade it for a 30 something Dman and a 2nd
- vejim

A very real possibility sadly. Although I'm gonna vote won't happen. Homer does like his first round picks and he doesn't like to trade young talent. That said it depends on the 30 something Dman.
Could I have been more wishy washy? I can try harder.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 2:46 PM ET
A very real possibility sadly. Although I'm gonna vote won't happen. Homer does like his first round picks and he doesn't like to trade young talent. That said it depends on the 30 something Dman.
Could I have been more wishy washy? I can try harder.

- FlyersGrace


He will not trade a top 10 pick for a 30ish defenseman
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Apr 10 @ 2:46 PM ET
Nope. I don't see much chance of moving him, now that the TDL is passed. He's the kind of guy that teams would want to rent, not carry all year
- Jsaquella

I think a team who needs to get to the floor would want him too. Although he'd never waive his NMC to go to a team like that.... So moot point I guess.
Daceroni
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AB
Joined: 11.20.2006

Apr 10 @ 2:47 PM ET
Hartnell has got to go, Simmonds can bring what Hartnell brought the last few years and he quite frankly cant keep up to anyone now. Foot injury aside he is on his can more than he is on his skates, borderline embarrassing.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 2:48 PM ET
I think a team who needs to get to the floor would want him too. Although he'd never waive his NMC to go to a team like that.... So moot point I guess.
- FlyersGrace


Yep. I'm sure a team like the Isles would love Briere. Won't go there, though
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 2:48 PM ET
Hartnell has got to go, Simmonds can bring what Hartnell brought the last few years and he quite frankly cant keep up to anyone now
- Daceroni


The broken foot might be an issue.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Apr 10 @ 2:50 PM ET
Hartnell has got to go, Simmonds can bring what Hartnell brought the last few years and he quite frankly cant keep up to anyone now
- Daceroni

I like Simmonds I really do. My fiancee wears his jersey for every game. And holy smokes he keeps on ticking when everyone else crumples... He can fight and his heart is in the right place. I don't want him on my top line. Of course I don't want Hartnell there either. Simmonds is a 2nd or 3rd line guy... He brings a lot of great things, but finishing isn't one of them. And G needs that. Which means Homer needs to find that piece.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 10 @ 2:50 PM ET
He will not trade a top 10 pick for a 30ish defenseman
- Jsaquella


It's a lot more fun to joke about Holmgren decimating a roster with dumb trades. Even though he miraculously turned that nightmare 2006-07 roster into a perennial postseason team, starting the very next season.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 10 @ 2:50 PM ET
The broken foot might be an issue.
- Jsaquella


yeah. no zip on drop passes at the blueline.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Apr 10 @ 2:51 PM ET
yeah. no zip on drop passes at the blueline.
- hammarby31

thats what his wife said
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 2:52 PM ET
It's a lot more fun to joke about Holmgren decimating a roster with dumb trades. Even though he miraculously turned that nightmare 2006-07 roster into a perennial postseason team, starting the very next season.
- bradleyc4


Yes. And the only times he's traded a first rounder for a 30ish defenseman, it was for Pronger and Timonen.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 2:52 PM ET
yeah. no zip on drop passes at the blueline.
- hammarby31


You got to put a lot of mustard on those, because otherwise the might rise, instead of drop
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Apr 10 @ 3:00 PM ET
It's a lot more fun to joke about Holmgren decimating a roster with dumb trades. Even though he miraculously turned that nightmare 2006-07 roster into a perennial postseason team, starting the very next season.
- bradleyc4

bing-(frank)ing-o
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Apr 10 @ 3:03 PM ET
bing-(frank)ing-o
- kicksave856

that bored today, bro?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 3:04 PM ET
bing-(frank)ing-o
- kicksave856


Was that his name-(frank)ing-o?
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Apr 10 @ 3:11 PM ET
that bored today, bro?
- aightwebang17

it's pretty beat, yeah.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Apr 10 @ 3:13 PM ET
I like Simmonds I really do. My fiancee wears his jersey for every game. And holy smokes he keeps on ticking when everyone else crumples... He can fight and his heart is in the right place. I don't want him on my top line. Of course I don't want Hartnell there either. Simmonds is a 2nd or 3rd line guy... He brings a lot of great things, but finishing isn't one of them. And G needs that. Which means Homer needs to find that piece.
- FlyersGrace


I think Simmer has pretty good hands, especially around the net, similar to Hartnell who has shown to be effective as a first liner in that kind of role. Simmonds has a respectable 14.3% shooting percentage, both this year and last. While not the ideal top liner, he can fill that Hartnell type role there if need be...that notwithstanding, I think he's more of a middle sixer, like Schenn. Schenn has moderately higher offensive potential imo. They both just need some more experience and development, especially on the defensive side, but that's not uncommon in young developing players. Keep in mind, as guys like Laughton, Cousins, McGinn and possibly this year's (lottery) pick enter the picture, guys like Schenn, Simmer and Coots will be moving up the depth chart...one or more of them will have Voracek like breakouts eventually...just have to be patient for now with the kids.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Apr 10 @ 3:16 PM ET
IMO I say:

- lose Hartnell, sure he's put up 37 goals in the past and 20 goals consistant but defensively he has been brutal he constantly takes dumb penalties, I'm sure we can find a guy who can put up points beside Giroux and be able to work hard without the stupid penalties.

- Get rid of Gervais! Please! I don't care how.....they can murder him for all I care (just kidding). I blame Talbot and Homer for Gervais. Talbot got Homer to pull the trigger and obviously he did. We need a top pairing D man. I have no doubt Schenn will be one in a couple of years but Timonen can't handle it anymore. Timonen, Coburn, Grossman, are 2nd pairs at best and thats if you ignore the struggling by Coburn. Timonen's body can't handle top pair anymore so I consider him 2nd pair material Rest are 3rd pair.

Up front players just need to mature. I have been fine with both Bryz and Mason. Mason plays as back up and learns from Bryz good and the bad and he becomes our future goalie. This team is a top defenceman and maybe a capable defenceman or 2 away from a playoff team.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 10 @ 3:24 PM ET
You talking about L. Schenn or B. Schenn?
- PLindbergh31


I'm talking b Schenn, but like Schenn looks a lot better than the Toronto fan base made him out to be. He looks like a young defenseman with plenty of upside left.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 10 @ 3:25 PM ET
I'm being serious.

Timonen is the aging vet who won't be here in a year, Giroux's the captain of his team--not only are the Flyers pitiful this year, the media has now decided to find every little gossip story to get Bryz on the first train out of here.

I don't care if the team (frank)ing loves the guy or hates his guts, Giroux needs to be the one to go out there and say, "Bryz is our goalie, we have faith in him, and we're going to win with him. If you don't like it, too bad."

Come on, fellas. Get your (frank)ing poop together.

- KGBflyers10



Giroux does need to step it up. He's had a sub par season this year by his standards
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 10 @ 3:33 PM ET
Giroux does need to step it up. He's had a sub par season this year by his standards
- funmaster18


My issues with Giroux havent been as much with his offensive production, but more directly his trend of trying to force the play with his talent. Its a lazy way to play, and even though he isn't the most physical guy he cannot be playing so fancy.

You might get away with that on the PP, as his numbers would indicate but 5 on 5, you will have a guy like Voracek who plays the game differently being more effective.

My main issue with Giroux has been his approach to the defensive side of the puck. Too many plays gliding back or half-ass attempts.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Apr 10 @ 3:33 PM ET
I'm talking b Schenn, but like Schenn looks a lot better than the Toronto fan base made him out to be. He looks like a young defenseman with plenty of upside left.
- funmaster18


i like Schenn a lot. my only issue with him is the time it takes him to make a decision with the puck on his stick. he holds onto the puck way too long in both ends of the ice. i don't know if he's not anticipating his move before he gets the puck, is unsure what to do with it anyway, or a combo. But he needs to improve on this.
PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Scania
Joined: 08.02.2011

Apr 10 @ 3:34 PM ET
Giroux does need to step it up. He's had a sub par season this year by his standards
- funmaster18



~80p in a 82 game season, and without Jagr, and on a non-playoff team. About were I'd guess he'd be before the start of the season (except the non-playoff part ofc). He gets a B from me.
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