He absolutely gets one more year. I don't understand why ANYONE would want to get rid of Bryz. One of our only consistent performers all year. Not to mention we have compliance buy-outs through next summer and next summer we don't have to pay out the full deal where as this summer we would.

I seriously don't get it, Bryz with an even average defense is a starting goalie on 30 teams. Yes, his term sucks. But his cap hit is what a starting goalie costs.

I'm baffled. None of this talk was being spoke of until we got Mason. You know, Steve Mason? Aka statistically the worst starting goalie in the entire leauge the past 4 seasons?

Danny B is anothe story
- mochoson

There is no change between the compliance buyout this Summer and next Summer. Either way it's 2/3rds.

There is no change between the compliance buyout this Summer and next Summer. Either way it's 2/3rds.
- MJL

I didn't realize they ha the buyout this summer and next summer

There is no change between the compliance buyout this Summer and next Summer. Either way it's 2/3rds.
- MJL

Incorrect. See capgeek.

I didn't realize they ha the buyout this summer and next summer
- funmaster18

They have two that they are allowed to use up until next summer, doesn't matter when

Incorrect. See capgeek.
- mochoson

It's not incorrect. Having to pay the full value was prior to the start of this Season. Which was the case for Redden and Gomez. You might want to go back and read Capgeek again.

http://www.capgeek.com/new-cba


BUYOUTS

During the ordinary course buyout periods in June 2013 and June 2014, teams will be permitted two compliance buyouts. Compliance buyouts follow the same formula as ordinary-course buyouts — either 1/3 or 2/3 of actual salary depending on age — but do not count against the cap.

The NHL allowed teams to execute one of their two compliance buyout options prior to the 2012-13 season on players with cap hits of more than $3 million. Two teams exercised the option: the Montreal Canadiens on Scott Gomez and the New York Rangers on Wade Redden. The players received full pay and counted at their full cap hit for 2012-13, after which the compliance buyout payments kick in.

They have two that they are allowed to use up until next summer, doesn't matter when
- mochoson

It does matter when. They can only be used during the buyout period before the Draft.

On the contrary, Knuble sets an example of professionalism and playing each shift like it means something. He deserves to play.

Let me ask you this: How much did Rosehill dressing in the last game deter Chris Neil from running around at the Flyers' skill players? McGinn is with the Phantoms.
- bmeltzer

Who's going to be here next year? Knubles professionalism is all fine and dandy, but it means zero at this point. They should recall McGinn and play him. This team is out of the playoffs.

He absolutely gets one more year. I don't understand why ANYONE would want to get rid of Bryz. One of our only consistent performers all year. Not to mention we have compliance buy-outs through next summer and next summer we don't have to pay out the full deal where as this summer we would.

I seriously don't get it, Bryz with an even average defense is a starting goalie on 30 teams. Yes, his term sucks. But his cap hit is what a starting goalie costs.

I'm baffled. None of this talk was being spoke of until we got Mason. You know, Steve Mason? Aka statistically the worst starting goalie in the entire leauge the past 4 seasons?

Danny B is anothe story
- mochoson

I'd be more than fine to see him return. More and more lately though I am leaning toward a buyout now. I was before they brought in Mason. I think you could get similar production, in terms of performance and consistency for cheaper, without as many distractions.

Hiller, Backstrom and Emery.

Who's going to be here next year? Knubles professionalism is all fine and dandy, but it means zero at this point. They should recall McGinn and play him. This team is out of the playoffs.
- flyers2001

I would disagree big time.

Having a guy like Knuble, instill the proper way to play for a lot of these kids, with the right off-ice approach, etc. Means a lot more than many realise imo.

I dont get the hype with McGinn personally.

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I would disagree big time.

Having a guy like Knuble, instill the proper way to play for a lot of these kids, with the right off-ice approach, etc. Means a lot more than many realise imo.

I dont get the hype with McGinn personally.
- flyer_nutter

I agree totally. An example needs to be set. Although I think McGinn has a chance to be a solid Pro.

You watch that this morning?
- funmaster18

nah. i was on the ice this morning.

I agree totally. An example needs to be set. Although I think McGinn has a chance to be a solid Pro.
- MJL

Which is not being done by Hartnell.

Haha sorry couldnt resist.

Knuble has been a very good player and soldier for this team. Lots of respect.

Whats your thoughts on Gagne? I wouldnt mind seeing him sign again, as I was sad to see him originally go but I would rather have the money spent on players with more grit, and a different type of leadership. I think Gagne helps lead but I dont get a Morrow/Jagr/Lappy/Pronger/Primeau vibe.

I would disagree big time.

Having a guy like Knuble, instill the proper way to play for a lot of these kids, with the right off-ice approach, etc. Means a lot more than many realise imo.

I dont get the hype with McGinn personally.
- flyer_nutter

Yea Knubles is a valued guy. He brings so much that no team wanted him, and the flyers signed him out of need not want.

This team never develops young talent because they don't allow them to play. They rather recycle players.

It's ashane this term will never win because their philosophy is junk.

Yea Knubles is a valued guy. He brings so much that no team wanted him, and the flyers signed him out of need not want.

This team never develops young talent because they don't allow them to play. They rather recycle players.

It's ashane this term will never win because their philosophy is junk.
- flyers2001

I would say that a lot of teams have a stronger leadership core than the Flyers currently. The one currently assembled has failed big time imo. That is where I think Knuble helps the most, in terms of being a mentor and on ice example.

You bring up philosophy, and while I would agree to an extent I think an even bigger thing is not being patient, and overpaying players too early in their careers. At least in recent times. I see the value of what Knuble will bring otumatching what McGinn will bring.

McGinn will have a whole training camp to show he can bring more than Laughton and Cousins. I dont see him much more than a 4th line guy who could jump up here and there. If McGinn wants to be here long term imo he better learn to play PK.

I'd be more than fine to see him return. More and more lately though I am leaning toward a buyout now. I was before they brought in Mason. I think you could get similar production, in terms of performance and consistency for cheaper, without as many distractions.

Hiller, Backstrom and Emery.
- flyer_nutter

I would be cautious of planning on getting top free agents to fill any gaps after this past offseason. If you lose out on them again, it's Mason and ? if Bryz gets bought out.

I wonder if there is a set date that you have to buy out someone by. Because then, it might be possible to buy out Bryz only after someone else is signed. But again, if we are pursuing goalies through the FA market, are their contracts going to be hugely different in cap hit or length from Bryz's contract? This is why getting rid of Bob for no reason was such a huge blunder. When you develop guys in your own organization, you can get them signed for cheaper.

nah. i was on the ice this morning.
- hammarby31

Lucky. Saw it on TV on m way out earlier.

I would be cautious of planning on getting top free agents to fill any gaps after this past offseason. If you lose out on them again, it's Mason and ? if Bryz gets bought out.

I wonder if there is a set date that you have to buy out someone by. Because then, it might be possible to buy out Bryz only after someone else is signed. But again, if we are pursuing goalies through the FA market, are their contracts going to be hugely different in cap hit or length from Bryz's contract? This is why getting rid of Bob for no reason was such a huge blunder. When you develop guys in your own organization, you can get them signed for cheaper.
- feelingkettle

The whole Bryzgalov thing is weird to me. I really do get Snider to an extent saying they need to fix the issue, but I dont agree with him running out publically to do it. The Flyers knew they would have a young team, that will probably take a step or two back and signed a guy who they believed would provide real stability for a long time.

For a number of reasons, organizational and one's related to Bryzgalov that hasnt worked out as planned. The contract will haunt him forever, if he cannot live up to it, which yes at this point is hard because of a piss poor team defensively and no back-up this year. However, over his past two seasons, he has let in too many weak goals, and has been too inconsistent. Again, its a mix of blame.

I think the buyout period is sometime around the draft, before FA. At which point the Flyers should have a better idea of where Emery and Backstrom will go, but yes it is a risk, it always will be imo. Holmgren has a habit of trading for rights to get a head start on a player before FA. I could see it happening, and I would love them to explore Hiller.

Bobrovsky should never have been dealt as many of us said. It was a young team that I think management foolishly thought was closer than they were.

Edit: Another aspect of this is the distractions that I do think Bryzgalov is somewhat responsible for. I really dont care about that too much though, but more importantly I think you could get similar production out of somebody cheaper. The Flyers better be damn sure Bryzgalov is the answer if they keep him after next season, and the buyout period is done. I am putting zero hope into Mason, and what happens happens. I would be pretty comfortable with Emery returning.

Which is not being done by Hartnell.

Haha sorry couldnt resist.

Knuble has been a very good player and soldier for this team. Lots of respect.

Whats your thoughts on Gagne? I wouldnt mind seeing him sign again, as I was sad to see him originally go but I would rather have the money spent on players with more grit, and a different type of leadership. I think Gagne helps lead but I dont get a Morrow/Jagr/Lappy/Pronger/Primeau vibe.
- flyer_nutter

There's been a lot of times this year, when veteran players weren't setting an example. I know you've targeted Hartnell. He hasn't had a good year. But be careful what you wish for. If you don't replace him, you've lost an important element to the team. I hope Gagne comes back. Gagne has plenty of grit.

cannot beleive we are fighting over who loses
- mydoglicks

Me and a co- worker have a bet going as to which team will be worse. Not better but worse. How sad is that.

I would say that a lot of teams have a stronger leadership core than the Flyers currently. The one currently assembled has failed big time imo. That is where I think Knuble helps the most, in terms of being a mentor and on ice example.

You bring up philosophy, and while I would agree to an extent I think an even bigger thing is not being patient, and overpaying players too early in their careers. At least in recent times. I see the value of what Knuble will bring otumatching what McGinn will bring.

McGinn will have a whole training camp to show he can bring more than Laughton and Cousins. I dont see him much more than a 4th line guy who could jump up here and there. If McGinn wants to be here long term imo he better learn to play PK.
- flyer_nutter

I think you have McGinn all wrong. And have him labeled as the wrong kind of player. He's a forechecking 3rd line Winger in this League. Not a 4th line player. And not a PKer. How does Cousins get in the mix here? You haven't seen him play a single NHL game.

I would be cautious of planning on getting top free agents to fill any gaps after this past offseason. If you lose out on them again, it's Mason and ? if Bryz gets bought out.

I wonder if there is a set date that you have to buy out someone by. Because then, it might be possible to buy out Bryz only after someone else is signed. But again, if we are pursuing goalies through the FA market, are their contracts going to be hugely different in cap hit or length from Bryz's contract? This is why getting rid of Bob for no reason was such a huge blunder. When you develop guys in your own organization, you can get them signed for cheaper.
- feelingkettle

There is a set date. It's the buyout period in June, before the draft.

There is a set date. It's the buyout period in June, before the draft.
- MJL

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I think you have McGinn all wrong. And have him labeled as the wrong kind of player. He's a forechecking 3rd line Winger in this League. Not a 4th line player. And not a PKer. How does Cousins get in the mix here? You haven't seen him play a single NHL game.
- MJL

I dont see him as being good enough to be a consistent penciled in 3rd liner. Again, we will see.

I think what would help McGinn land a permanent role, would be if he developed a PK game, and added another element to his overall play.

I see Cousins, McGinn, and Laughton fighting for a spot next season in training camp. Cousins has shown a better ability to put the puck in the net, and has grit to his game as well. Not a crazy thing to think he will beat out McGinn.

I agree totally. An example needs to be set. Although I think McGinn has a chance to be a solid Pro.
- MJL

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