Take a look at my last post... our FW core goes considerably weaker with trading away 2 FW and a potential 3rd FW..... thats the only problem i have...
- FLYERSROCK!

For sure for sure.

Not to be rude, but I'd kind of lean toward a "so what' answer.

Forwards are much easier to replace. Especially when technically at this point regarding Coots and Schenn its just potential. People always want an immediate replacement and fear the team getting worse.

My point at the end of all this is I could care less if the Flyers aren't that good for a few years if it means bringing in a player of that caliber. I see it as that important, but I know not all do. Patience is preached yet sometimes you have to take a step back, to take a huge leap forward.

I think its all a moot point though, if I am St. Louis I wouldnt trade Pietrangelo for even Giroux + Coots/Schenn. To put it bluntly, a star but inconsistent defensively forward, plus really at this point... Potential...

There is a reason why these star d-men, rarely if ever become available, especially at a younger age.

That's too much for Shattenkirk, IMO.

I;d rather go another route than trade assets worth a true number one guy for him.
- Jsaquella

i hear ya
Homer will make a move for a dman... i know he will
What about Yandle?? OEL just signed a LTC there and Phoenix has a lot of good young defenders...

For sure for sure.

Not to be rude, but I'd kind of lean toward a "so what' answer.

Forwards are much easier to replace. Especially when technically at this point regarding Coots and Schenn its just potential. People always want an immediate replacement and fear the team getting worse.

My point at the end of all this is I could care less if the Flyers aren't that good for a few years if it means bringing in a player of that caliber. I see it as that important, but I know not all do. Patience is preached yet sometimes you have to take a step back, to take a huge leap forward.

I think its all a moot point though, if I am St. Louis I wouldnt trade Pietrangelo for even Giroux + Coots/Schenn. To put it bluntly, a star but inconsistent defensively forward, plus really at this point... Potential...

There is a reason why these star d-men, rarely if ever become available, especially at a younger age.
- flyer_nutter

Still cant believe he went 5th overall...

i hear ya and i agree... but Homer might go all NHL13 and go rediculous again lol

Then we go after Shattenkirk then
Obviously the package would be alot less but for a guy like him Read+1st+Ghost should get it done
- FLYERSROCK!

You know me and d-men who aren't physical or better yet can get outmuscled in their own zone haha. Essentially the Mike Green kind of players. Even if they are a bit better defensively.

I am not a fan to begin with, and wouldnt really be if it meant trading away some decent pieces.

I think its more and more clear the Flyers finally have to start developing their own D. Gambling on FA, or overpaying in trades like they will have to do isnt the way to go imo.

One guy I would target would be Giordano. Other than that... Even a guy like Fowler who I like for example, you will have to pay out of your nose to get.

For sure for sure.

Not to be rude, but I'd kind of lean toward a "so what' answer.

Forwards are much easier to replace. Especially when technically at this point regarding Coots and Schenn its just potential. People always want an immediate replacement and fear the team getting worse.

My point at the end of all this is I could care less if the Flyers aren't that good for a few years if it means bringing in a player of that caliber. I see it as that important, but I know not all do. Patience is preached yet sometimes you have to take a step back, to take a huge leap forward.

I think its all a moot point though, if I am St. Louis I wouldnt trade Pietrangelo for even Giroux + Coots/Schenn. To put it bluntly, a star but inconsistent defensively forward, plus really at this point... Potential...

There is a reason why these star d-men, rarely if ever become available, especially at a younger age.
- flyer_nutter

Flyers need to upgrade the blueline this summer. Also, if they decide to buyout Briere it would be nice to get another goal scorer on the wing.

I agree. I can't see the Blues tradng Pietrangelo unless the return is ridiculous...even then.
- Jsaquella

It's kind of like fans of other teams asking what it would take to pry Giroux away from the Flyers... the answer is: a hell of a lot more than you'll ever be willing to pay.

After Rattie steps in next season, the Blues' young forwards will be the envy of the NHL. Not sure there's even a need there for guys like Read, Coots and/or Schenn. They're looking more for veteran pieces (like JBo) to solidify the lineup.

Flyers need to upgrade the blueline this summer. Also, if they decide to buyout Briere it would be nice to get another goal scorer on the wing.
- stveshdy

Thats the thing. FA is usually pretty well stocked with guys who at least can be counted on providing 20 goals or so.

It is getting less and less saturated with good d-men.

I'd be of the belief to do whatever it took to bring in a young established star like Pietrangelo or even Weber. Dont see it happening, even for anything the Flyers have.

This organization finally has to develop their own D-men. Or they can gamble on guys who other teams fell out of favour with, but I dont like that approach. Its why I would be willing to even at pick 5 go after a d-man in the draft. If not that then trade down. Forwards are much easier to develop and also find in FA.

Its a gamble the draft. Yet if you never take a shot, you will never have the opportunity. If you never have the shot, you will always be gambling on FA, OVERPAYING with forwards, or even praying there is an organization that is willing to deal their young promising d-man. Which is becoming less and less likely.

This just comes down to whether a person believes a real well rounded star d-man is needed to win a cup. I would say no. However I would also say it really (frank)ing helps.
Just a nutters thoughts.

It's kind of like fans of other teams asking what it would take to pry Giroux away from the Flyers... the answer is: a hell of a lot more than you'll ever be willing to pay.

After Rattie steps in next season, the Blues' young forwards will be the envy of the NHL. Not sure there's even a need there for guys like Read, Coots and/or Schenn. They're looking more for veteran pieces (like JBo) to solidify the lineup.
- Tomahawk

Yeah, very good point. The Blues young forwards are just coming in.

Thats the thing. FA is usually pretty well stocked with guys who at least can be counted on providing 20 goals or so.

It is getting less and less saturated with good d-men.

I'd be of the belief to do whatever it took to bring in a young established star like Pietrangelo or even Weber. Dont see it happening, even for anything the Flyers have.

This organization finally has to develop their own D-men. Or they can gamble on guys who other teams fell out of favour with, but I dont like that approach. Its why I would be willing to even at pick 5 go after a d-man in the draft. If not that then trade down. Forwards are much easier to develop and also find in FA.

Just a nutters thoughts.
- flyer_nutter

Problem is by the time they develop those defenseman this team wont be the same or players could be coming out of their prime years.

Believe me i (frank)ing love Couts... he's going to be a special player but Pietrangelo is (frank)ing awesome. He will win Norris trophies.
St Louis would demand Couts or B Schenn (i dont blame them), and with Luke here, they arent going to trade Brayden. It just isnt going to happen. No way they trade away a brother after they just reunited them.
Honestly, i know i will get bashed but i would trade Couts, Read and our 1st for Pietrangelo... again i dont mind if i get bashed, i would honestly do that. Pietrangelo is a very special player. Of course i still think its an iffy trade for us but if Armstrong offers us that, or asks for that im not sure if i could say no...
*cue the glad you arent the GM replies*
- FLYERSROCK!

Trust me, that fact that they are brothers would have zero to do with it. They would not hesitate to trade Brayden Schenn in a deal that they like, because of the brother factor.

There are too many goaltenders in the league, that to me are simply better than Bryzgalov. When you throw salary into the mix with that, its not good enough.


- flyer_nutter

What good does that do you? Those other Goalies that are better have be available and attainable to matter.

What good does that do you? Those other Goalies that are better have be available and attainable to matter.
- MJL

I find it interesting that the Flyers were trying to find a goaltender at the trade deadline. I know Bryz needs a backup but what happened that Leighton/Boucher couldn't give you a game?

Problem is by the time they develop those defenseman this team wont be the same or players could be coming out of their prime years.
- stveshdy

Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, Coots, Read and Brayden Schenn will still be young enough in 4-5 years.

Not all will be here, but there will be other forwards coming up through the draft. FA forwards can always be found much easier as well.

Its why in my posts I bring about the fact that the team should focus on signing veterans in the off-season who will teach these kids to play the right way. With the right approach.

I say so because it will be those kids above, and others that imo lead this team to a cup. At the end of it all, I am looking at building a team that is consistently elite for a longer window, not just praying it flips the switch and the pieces come together.

To do that imo this d-core needs to be re-built through the draft. Infused with star talent.

For one time, do it the right way, and have the patience and damn ability to be patient instead of worrying that the team might (god forbid) miss the playoffs when they really had a fools hope at winning it all anyway.

I understand my approach is a different one.

I find it interesting that the Flyers were trying to find a goaltender at the trade deadline. I know Bryz needs a backup but what happened that Leighton/Boucher couldn't give you a game?
- stveshdy

Mason was acquired to have a young NHL caliber Goalie in the mix.

I find it interesting that the Flyers were trying to find a goaltender at the trade deadline. I know Bryz needs a backup but what happened that Leighton/Boucher couldn't give you a game?
- stveshdy

Well according to Homer I believe, they wanted Mason for a long time.

That is said with every player though

Mason was acquired to have a young NHL caliber Goalie in the mix.
- MJL

Obviously. Just not sure what happened that Leighton and Boucher couldn't play games this year for this team.

Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, Coots, Read and Brayden Schenn will still be young enough in 4-5 years.

Not all will be here, but there will be other forwards coming up through the draft. FA forwards can always be found much easier as well.

Its why in my posts I bring about the fact that the team should focus on signing veterans in the off-season who will teach these kids to play the right way. With the right approach.

I say so because it will be those kids above, and others that imo lead this team to a cup. At the end of it all, I am looking at building a team that is consistently elite for a longer window, not just praying it flips the switch and the pieces come together.

To do that imo this d-core needs to be re-built through the draft. Infused with star talent.

For one time, do it the right way, and have the patience and damn ability to be patient instead of worrying that the team might (god forbid) miss the playoffs when they really had a fools hope at winning it all anyway.

I understand my approach is a different one.
- flyer_nutter

I like the approach but I don't have much confidence that the Flyers organization can make the right choices when drafting defenseman.

Obviously. Just not sure what happened that Leighton and Boucher couldn't play games this year for this team.
- stveshdy

They got in a hole in the standings early. And the Coach wanted to play the best Goalie to try and get back in the playoff hunt.

Obviously. Just not sure what happened that Leighton and Boucher couldn't play games this year for this team.
- stveshdy

Im a huge Boucher fan, and wish he could have had one more game at least.

People forget that if he didnt go down with an injury, he would probably have been the starting goaltender against the Hawks.

He played just as well as Leighton in the early parts of those playoffs. Think I would have cried to see him lift the cup.

This organization finally has to develop their own D-men. Or they can gamble on guys who other teams fell out of favour with, but I dont like that approach. Its why I would be willing to even at pick 5 go after a d-man in the draft. If not that then trade down. Forwards are much easier to develop and also find in FA.
- flyer_nutter

The thing that makes me nervous is that there's a much greater chance that a top defensive prospect doesn't pan out than a comparable forward prospect. Even in that dynamite 2008 draft-class, the quality of dmen taken in the 1st-round ran the gamut from legit franchise guys (Karlsson, Doughty and Pietrangelo), to guys that have only really shown flashes (Myers, MDZ, Bogosian, Schenn, Carlson), to guys who are coming along a bit more slowly (Sbisa, Gardiner), to out and out busts (Teubert, Cuma). 2013 has a handful of really solid d prospects, but it's nowhere near as deep as 2008 in that regard.

Jones is Jones, but Nurse and Ristolainen carry significant risks, and guys like Morrissey, Pulock and Zadarov might not even be top-pairing quality. Whereas guys like Nichushkin, Barkov, Monahan are going to be top-six forwards, almost guaranteed.

Believe me i (frank)ing love Couts... he's going to be a special player but Pietrangelo is (frank)ing awesome. He will win Norris trophies.
St Louis would demand Couts or B Schenn (i dont blame them), and with Luke here, they arent going to trade Brayden. It just isnt going to happen. No way they trade away a brother after they just reunited them.
Honestly, i know i will get bashed but i would trade Couts, Read and our 1st for Pietrangelo... again i dont mind if i get bashed, i would honestly do that. Pietrangelo is a very special player. Of course i still think its an iffy trade for us but if Armstrong offers us that, or asks for that im not sure if i could say no...
*cue the glad you arent the GM replies*
- FLYERSROCK!

I'm in 100% agreement with you. Dmen like him don't become available often. You make that trade all day long. Yes it's a little bit over payment but your going to overpay for that type dman

I like the approach but I don't have much confidence that the Flyers organization can make the right choices when drafting defenseman.
- stveshdy

Take no risks. Have no rewards.

A lot of that has to do with patience from up top. To be willing to have a few years of maybe no playoffs, but setting up the pieces properly. Not just throwing a bunch of guys together, who are usually best suited to secondary roles.

The thing that makes me nervous is that there's a much greater chance that a top defensive prospect doesn't pan out than a comparable forward prospect. Even in that dynamite 2008 draft-class, the quality of dmen taken in the 1st-round ran the gamut from legit franchise guys (Karlsson, Doughty and Pietrangelo), to guys that have only really shown flashes (Myers, MDZ, Bogosian, Schenn, Carlson), to guys who are coming along a bit more slowly (Sbisa, Gardiner), to out and out busts (Teubert, Cuma). 2013 has a handful of really solid d prospects, but it's nowhere near as deep as 2008 in that regard.

Jones is Jones, but Nurse and Ristolainen carry significant risks, and guys like Morrissey, Pulock and Zadarov might not even be top-pairing quality. Whereas guys like Nichushkin, Barkov, Monahan are going to be top-six forwards, almost guaranteed.
- Tomahawk

If the Flyers had a better track record drafting defenseman I would have no worries.

Trust me, that fact that they are brothers would have zero to do with it. They would not hesitate to trade Brayden Schenn in a deal that they like, because of the brother factor.
- MJL

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