Dear GiG,

We can at least get bob ryab as a cancellation prize?
- Philly1980

Statement game
- Scoob

I believe that's over-stating it.

Just one of 3 games left before summer break.

No way. Too much. I'd say 2 to 2.25 mil
- SMS4016

Yeah, I'd even agree there too. I just figured the market and lack of decent free agents would cause some sort of overpayment.

Yeah, I'd even agree there too. I just figured the market and lack of decent free agents would cause some sort of overpayment.
- Flyers_V88

Yeah your right. Someone will offer him a leino contract and it'll be bye bye

according to capgeek Flyers are already 3 Mil over next years cap...How in the frank can they improve this team? Even with a Briere buyout that would give us around 3 mil. So tired of this team being at the top of the cap year in and out and getting marginal results.

I'm curious to see what happens with Matt Read, and how much he'll ask for/how much is he really worth?

I don't want to see the team over-pay him, even though I like him. If I'm the Flyers, I offer him 3-3.5 mil MAXXXXXX.
- Flyers_V88

I see Matt Read's next contract situation looking very similar to what we saw with Ville Leino. Matt Read realistically should probably get 2-3 years and 3-3.5 mil, but some team with lots of cap space who wants offense will probably offer him something like 4.5 over 5 years and he'll take it

Please just lose Out for the pick. god these next 3 games are going to suck. Really don't want them to win
- Just5

Yup. Next 3 games are going to be rough. I'm not saying tank, but I don't want them to win either. It's pointless.

Yup. Next 3 games are going to be rough. I'm not saying tank, but I don't want them to win either. It's pointless.
- wolfhounds

Even if they lose out, they probably will still be picking around 5th to 7th. They are currently at the 8th overall pick as of today. The lottery odds between 5, 6, 7 and 8 are so similar that I don't think it really matters how they finish. They probably won't get the number 1 pick and will end up picking around 5-10

according to capgeek Flyers are already 3 Mil over next years cap...How in the frank can they improve this team? Even with a Briere buyout that would give us around 3 mil. So tired of this team being at the top of the cap year in and out and getting marginal results.
- flyerfan28

It looks like Ian White is on his way out in Detroit (seeing as how they have younger cheap guys who can play). Assuming he could be had for cheap, he would be an upgrade over Mez next year. He should be a top 4 guy on the Flyers for a modest increase on Mez's cap hit.

Yup. Next 3 games are going to be rough. I'm not saying tank, but I don't want them to win either. It's pointless.
- wolfhounds

I freely admit it I want them to tank. Stink it up to high heaven. Maybe it will leave a bad taste and young player can experience some losing and not take games for granted anymore. Learn they have to show up every game to make playoffs.

I see Matt Read's next contract situation looking very similar to what we saw with Ville Leino. Matt Read realistically should probably get 2-3 years and 3-3.5 mil, but some team with lots of cap space who wants offense will probably offer him something like 4.5 over 5 years and he'll take it
- gypsypunk92

I wonder if anyone, other than guys at Giroux's level, will get contracts over 5 years in length under this CBA.

He's at best an AHL scorer. Nothing more.
- Flyers_V88

There was a time when Danny Briere, Marty St. Louis, Andy McDonald, P.A. Parenteau, Steve Sullivan, Matt Moulson and Teddy Purcell were thought to be nothing more than AHL scorers.

Akeson's not only produced at every step along the way, he's shown improvement at every step as well. That's pretty impressive and usually means he stands a decent chance at surviving in the show.

I see Matt Read's next contract situation looking very similar to what we saw with Ville Leino. Matt Read realistically should probably get 2-3 years and 3-3.5 mil, but some team with lots of cap space who wants offense will probably offer him something like 4.5 over 5 years and he'll take it
- gypsypunk92

I have a feeling he'll either have been dealt or extended way before he's on the open market. Could be like an Umberger/Upshall situation... they know they can't realistically fit him under cap, so they try to get something back for him.

Read's a very useful player, but you just can't have complimentary players pulling Leino money with the player share reduction and a ton of (better) guys scheduled to come of ELC's.

He's at best an AHL scorer. Nothing more.
- Flyers_V88

I think it's a bit premature to make that call...I think it needs to be proven that he can't produce at the NHL level before coming to such conclusions. He's 22 and his defensive game and skating, like many a young player, is a work in progress. He wouldn't be the first highly skilled, undersized player to have success in the NHL...he's gotta get a shot at some point to find out. Knowing the Flyers, he'll probably be traded for peanuts and then blossom somewhere else with a team that gives him the opportunity.

I wonder if anyone, other than guys at Giroux's level, will get contracts over 5 years in length under this CBA.
- johndewar

True, I keep forgetting about the new CBA and what it will mean for contracts.
Though, when G's due for the next contract, I fully expect him to get something similar to what Perry and Getzlaf got.. 8 year/8+ mil per

I have a feeling he'll either have been dealt or extended way before he's on the open market. Could be like an Umberger/Upshall situation... they know they can't realistically fit him under cap, so they try to get something back for him.

Read's a very useful player, but you just can't have complimentary players pulling Leino money with the player share reduction and a ton of (better) guys scheduled to come of ELC's.
- Tomahawk

Agreed. Read could definitely get us a nice 2nd to 3rd rounder at the draft or could even be a complementary piece in a bigger trade if we trade for a defenseman. I love Read and think he's extremely valuable to the team, but in a salary cap world you can't keep everyone and people will step up and replace him.

I have a feeling he'll either have been dealt or extended way before he's on the open market. Could be like an Umberger/Upshall situation... they know they can't realistically fit him under cap, so they try to get something back for him.

Read's a very useful player, but you just can't have complimentary players pulling Leino money with the player share reduction and a ton of (better) guys scheduled to come of ELC's.
- Tomahawk

If it came down to it I'd rather trade Hartnell and his long term 4.75/yr cap hit and keep Read around 3-4 mil. Slide Simmer into Hartnell's role.

Even if they lose out, they probably will still be picking around 5th to 7th. They are currently at the 8th overall pick as of today. The lottery odds between 5, 6, 7 and 8 are so similar that I don't think it really matters how they finish. They probably won't get the number 1 pick and will end up picking around 5-10
- gypsypunk92

Yeah, top 3-4 is the area of "can't miss" prospects... Drouin, Jones, MacK, Nichushkin.

5-16, the prospects are all very good and there's no telling who's going to be better than whom when all is said and done. I'm not sure it makes a difference whether they pick 5th or 15th... the Flyers will end up with automatically the best prospect in the system. I'm sure there's going to be some dynamite players come out of the late 1st-round and 2nd-round this year too.

according to capgeek Flyers are already 3 Mil over next years cap...How in the frank can they improve this team? Even with a Briere buyout that would give us around 3 mil. So tired of this team being at the top of the cap year in and out and getting marginal results.
- flyerfan28

I hear the frustration, but 3,380,000 is for possible bonuses which may or may not qualify. That said I don't think we'll be keeping everyone either. I expect at least 1 or two roster players traded which will also move money around some. If Homer pulls a miracle I expect it will take some roster names for a big gun either on the blueline or on the front line...
EDIT: I also don't think that includes Pronger on LTIR... But I am FAR from a cap expert.

Yeah, top 3-4 is the area of "can't miss" prospects... Drouin, Jones, MacK, Nichushkin.

5-16, the prospects are all very good and there's no telling who's going to be better than whom when all is said and done. I'm not sure it makes a difference whether they pick 5th or 15th... the Flyers will end up with automatically the best prospect in the system. I'm sure there's going to be some dynamite players come out of the late 1st-round and 2nd-round this year too.
- Tomahawk

Absolutely. After the first few picks, the draft is very often a crapshoot. Giroux picked in the 20s, Weber picked in the 2nd round. You can find diamonds in the rough. Even top 5 picks aren't always guaranteed to be franchise players.

Agreed. Read could definitely get us a nice 2nd to 3rd rounder at the draft or could even be a complementary piece in a bigger trade if we trade for a defenseman. I love Read and think he's extremely valuable to the team, but in a salary cap world you can't keep everyone and people will step up and replace him.
- gypsypunk92

Umberger was around the same age and had a similar history of production and netted a 1st-rounder from Columbus that turned into Sbisa. Read could probably realistically go for a very late 1st or an early 2nd, with top-end draft picks being a bit more valuable to teams now than they were back in 08.

its time for Homer to build up the prospect pool in Allentown
- vejim

It's time for Homer to go. Bring in fresh blood from outside the organization. The moves he has made would be fire-able on most other teams.

Umberger was around the same age and had a similar history of production and netted a 1st-rounder from Columbus that turned into Sbisa. Read could probably realistically go for a very late 1st or an early 2nd, with top-end draft picks being a bit more valuable to teams now than they were back in 08.
- Tomahawk

Good comparison with Umberger.....

HAHAHA, just saw Bryz has a NMC, NICE

If it came down to it I'd rather trade Hartnell and his long term 4.75/yr cap hit and keep Read around 3-4 mil. Slide Simmer into Hartnell's role.
- exlund

Honestly, if it were up to me, I would trade both sooner rather than later.

Hartnell's production might rebound in the very near term, but he's going to experience some serious decline toward the mid-late portion of his extension.

Read just isn't a $3-4M IMO, just like Umberger wasn't back in the day, and Upshall isn't now.