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bruinsbeer69
Boston Bruins
Location: Willcox, AZ
Joined: 09.23.2010

Jul 4 @ 9:00 PM ET
Sure because every prospect is a franchise player, right? How many Norris trophies will Hamilton win again?


4 years after the trade, the Leafs got easily the best player in the deal.

- RogerRoeper


And we got a cup and are set for the next 6-8 years with a core that your GM gave us the tools to go get, if you didnt give em to us directly
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 4 @ 9:02 PM ET
FWIW I still expect Seguin to be a better all round player than PhiL for the duration of his career.
bruinsbeer69
Boston Bruins
Location: Willcox, AZ
Joined: 09.23.2010

Jul 4 @ 9:15 PM ET
FWIW I still expect Seguin to be a better all round player than PhiL for the duration of his career.
- Double_A



Glad Harvard listened to me about moving him....but I wanted Pavelski

Can still get Mueller as a UFA
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 4 @ 9:16 PM ET
Yeah.....I represent the Bruins. They love my opinion.

Is that how you wanna make yourself feel better after running your mouth in here and not having a pot to piss in because Toronto blows?

Clown

- bruinsbeer69

lol

Mostly I just don't care what you say.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:21 PM ET
FWIW I still expect Seguin to be a better all round player than PhiL for the duration of his career.
- Double_A


Sure. We keep hearing that. Seguin is one-dimensional right now. Check that, he can't score, so there's no dimension.
bruinsbeer69
Boston Bruins
Location: Willcox, AZ
Joined: 09.23.2010

Jul 4 @ 9:32 PM ET
lol

Mostly I just don't care what you say.

- daeth



Mostly
bruinsbeer69
Boston Bruins
Location: Willcox, AZ
Joined: 09.23.2010

Jul 4 @ 9:33 PM ET
Sure. We keep hearing that. Seguin is one-dimensional right now. Check that, he can't score, so there's no dimension.
- RogerRoeper



Good point
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 4 @ 9:34 PM ET
It is refreshing to see a young Jason Blake though I must admit.

I mean who doesn't love seeing a guy skate like the wind only to shoot directly at the goalie from a bad angle. It's nice.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:11 PM ET
Dougie Hamilton is way too slow to be the future star many think he will be.
JS2012
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jul 4 @ 10:17 PM ET
Dougie Hamilton is way too slow to be the future star many think he will be.
- RogerRoeper


The only one slow here buddy is you
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:26 PM ET
The only one slow here buddy is you
- JS2012


There is no one who watches Hamilton who doesn't think his weakness is skating.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 4 @ 10:37 PM ET
considering his size he skates well. he lacks experience but not a whole lot else.
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 4 @ 10:52 PM ET
There is no one who watches Hamilton who doesn't think his weakness is skating.
- RogerRoeper

This tells me about all I need to know about your opinions.

http://www.stanleycupofch...ton-bruins-2011-nhl-draft

Literally every scouting report on the kid notes his excellent mobility as one of his key strengths.
bruinsbeer69
Boston Bruins
Location: Willcox, AZ
Joined: 09.23.2010

Jul 4 @ 11:28 PM ET
There is no one who watches Hamilton who doesn't think his weakness is skating.
- RogerRoeper



Just like on prom night, you're alone on this one
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 10:53 AM ET
phew leafs dodged a bullet on this one


http://bostonherald.com/s...7/b_s_trade_problem_child


Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 5 @ 10:58 AM ET
And now he can wear an OHL looking jersey in Dallas while we get a 2way sniper who is willing to waive a NTC to come to our team, plus, there are 2 prospects that are NHL ready-and one projected as a 25 goal scorer.

I'm very happy with the deal

- bruinsbeer69

So why are you so mad?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 5 @ 10:59 AM ET
(frank)ing (frank).

(frank).
salvadorsanchez
Boston Bruins
Location: Just North of Mexico, CA
Joined: 04.11.2011

Jul 5 @ 1:05 PM ET

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Raycroft

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 1:06 PM ET
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Raycroft


- salvadorsanchez


Raycroft tied the Leafs' franchise record for most wins by a goaltender in the regular season (37)

(frank)ing stud!
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 5 @ 1:08 PM ET
Raycroft tied the Leafs' franchise record for most wins by a goaltender in the regular season (37)

(frank)ing stud!

- senstroll

.894 sv%

is this the 80s?
salvadorsanchez
Boston Bruins
Location: Just North of Mexico, CA
Joined: 04.11.2011

Jul 5 @ 1:25 PM ET

The following off-season, on June 24, 2006, Raycroft was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs for the rights to Finnish goaltending prospect Tuukka Rask.[1] It was later revealed that the Bruins intended to release him, which would have made him available to Toronto without any compensation at all
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 6 @ 3:41 PM ET
The following off-season, on June 24, 2006, Raycroft was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs for the rights to Finnish goaltending prospect Tuukka Rask.
- salvadorsanchez[1] It was later revealed that the Bruins intended to release him, which would have made him available to Toronto without any compensation at all


Worst trade in Leaf history.

The Kessel trade was a solid one for the Leafs, however.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 6 @ 3:44 PM ET
They probably would not have traded for Toskala later if they didn't make the Rask trade either so you can almost add that to its destructiveness. Brutal.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 6 @ 3:54 PM ET
They probably would not have traded for Toskala later if they didn't make the Rask trade either so you can almost add that to its destructiveness. Brutal.
- daeth


That was the downfall of JFJ. Other than the goaltending disaster, he wasn't too bad. His late round drafting was superb. They should have hired him as top scout, not GM. They could have had Jim Nill as GM, JFJ as top scout in 03'. They picked him over Nill.

The upsetting thing is, all JFJ had to do was sign Manny Legace for cheap as a UFA as a veteran stop-gap. There was no need to rush and decide between Pogge/Rask so fast.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jul 6 @ 4:01 PM ET
That was the downfall of JFJ. Other than the goaltending disaster, he wasn't too bad. His late round drafting was superb. They should have hired him as top scout, not GM. They could have had Jim Nill as GM, JFJ as top scout in 03'. They picked him over Nill.

The upsetting thing is, all JFJ had to do was sign Manny Legace for cheap as a UFA as a veteran stop-gap. There was no need to rush and decide between Pogge/Rask so fast.

- RogerRoeper

I said the same thing right after the trade went down.

And yes, JFJ does seem to have a good eye for amateur talent.
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