Seguin > Hall

That ought to wake you up and half the village.

Just kidding, I wanted Hall but we will see in long run.
- salvadorsanchez

*yawns*....christ(frank) Im tired today.

Give me some of what Roeper's smoking

Leafs make the playoffs for the first time in a decade and all of a sudden the Kessel trade is a win?

Let's re-visit this one after the Leafs win a CUP with Phil, if he's not in an elderly retirement community by then.

How's Raycroft working out?

Proof kadri is having a great year

http://www.nytimes.com/20...html?pagewanted=all&_r=3&

Proof kadri is having a great year

http://www.nytimes.com/20...html?pagewanted=all&_r=3&
- salvadorsanchez

wrong ethnicity

Give me some of what Roeper's smoking

Leafs make the playoffs for the first time in a decade and all of a sudden the Kessel trade is a win?

Let's re-visit this one after the Leafs win a CUP with Phil, if he's not in an elderly retirement community by then.

How's Raycroft working out?
- JS2012

I said "Win-Win". What's wrong with saying the Leafs have made out ok in the deal?

Again, this is already considered by many the worst trade in NHL history. I say that's terrible hyperbole and it's not that bad at all.

I had this opinion last season when they missed the playoffs BTW.

Raycroft was a disaster, but we have James Reimer so we've moved on,

Lol he's got 4 years in the league on seguin and 6 on Hamilton. Both those players are under bruins control for a while. Seguin has a cup already and will be better than Philis in a year or two. Hamilton is going to be awesome. Not going to be close when it all shakes out.
- salvadorsanchez

How good to you expect Seguin to be then? Will he win the Art Ross in a year or two? Because to be better than Phil, he will have to be a top forward.

This "Terrible trade" for the Leafs is always based on Hamilton and Seguin turning into best case scenarios AND Kessel leaving as a UFA of course(Which you hinted at in your post).

Seguin looks rather one-dimensional right now and nothing special. Hamilton has a lot of hype, but he's a healthy scratch and Tyler Myers was supposed to be the next great thing 3 years ago. You never know.

Seguin scored in his first game and had 4 pts in what amounted to one of the biggest wins in the Tampa series to not go down 0-2. That was his rookie year and collectively the bruins all sucked last year.

Kessel had savard in the playoffs not bozak considering this will be their first year in the playoffs. Boston was a different team then as well.

Again points are great but they don't mean a whole lot if the team is losing.

Kessel watch is on for the playoffs. We shall see if he shows up.
- salvadorsanchez

Let's put that Savard excuse to bed. Phil's stats are better with Bozak than with Savard(Yes, I know Phil is older and a better player, but to go 2 years with better than PPG. with Bozak that is impressive.)

http://sports.yahoo.com/n...hEXvW35F9QeXALYsTG8FivLYF - Seguin

http://sports.yahoo.com/n...hEXvW35F9QeXALYsTG8FivLYF - Philis

So Seguin is having a mediocre / kind of unsuccessful regular season in a lockout year where he also absolutely scorched the euro league and by the way had more points than philis in his first two years and he's just ok?

Come on mam.

How good to you expect Seguin to be then? Will he win the Art Ross in a year or two? Because to be better than Phil, he will have to be a top forward.

This "Terrible trade" for the Leafs is always based on Hamilton and Seguin turning into best case scenarios AND Kessel leaving as a UFA of course(Which you hinted at in your post).

Seguin looks rather one-dimensional right now and nothing special. Hamilton has a lot of hype, but he's a healthy scratch and Tyler Myers was supposed to be the next great thing 3 years ago. You never know.
- RogerRoeper

phil has been consistent and that is his biggest positive. he can score.

Hamilton has been a healthy scratch because he has played a ton of hockey as a rookie and there is depth. No other reason. He has looked very good and also at time like a 19yr old.

Seguin will be more than fine and will score 30+ goals next year for sure

This thread is hilarious.

My favourite is "Seguin is a 3rd line winger" ... you know despite playing on the B's most productive line all season long. I suppose that makes Patrice Bergeron a 3rd line center then.

You want to make comparison's I suggest you stick with apples to apples and compare Seguin v Kessel 1st 3 seasons. You'll find the numbers to be pretty much even with Seguin getting less ice time than Phil did in those 3 seasons as the team is a lot deeper now. He's also done it without being a defensive liability.

Phil is a dynamic offensive player on a team that for the past 3 years has had a total of 1 dynamic offensive player. He's bound to get more looks than he did in Boston because quite frankly for a long time, he was the only option. That's certainly changed a bit now with the emergence of Kadri and Lupul when healthy.

The expectations (and indications) are that Seguin will also be a dynamic offensive player albeit maybe not the goal scorer that Phil is and have a sound 2 way presence once he hits his prime, it might not happen but chances are at the very least he'll be a legit top end offensive player if not elite. Quite frankly he's already pretty close to being there.

So end of the day comparing apples to apples Phil / Tyler is a wash at this point in Tyler's career and it's fully expected that he'll be at least on Phil's level ... no point even bringing Hamilton/Knight into the equation as I think most people would have been happy with a Seguin/Kessel straight up swap from a Boston perspective.

Why only compare their first 3 seasons? Phil had health issues his first couple of years that Seguin hasn't had to deal with.

And it's funny to claim it's unfair to compare Kessel now to Seguin yet all we hear is how it's a horrific trade because Seguin will be an elite superstar and much better than Kesel, and Hamilton will be a Norris contender for years to come.

And Knight is a bust. Terribly overrated prospect thanks to Kadri. Burke's third round pick the same draft-Mckegg is a better player than Knight.

And what "Dynamic" players over Toronto did Boston have?

Why only compare their first 3 seasons? Phil had health issues his first couple of years that Seguin hasn't had to deal with.

And it's funny to claim it's unfair to compare Kessel now to Seguin yet all we hear is how it's a horrific trade because Seguin will be an elite superstar and much better than Kesel, and Hamilton will be a Norris contender for years to come.

And Knight is a bust. Terribly overrated prospect thanks to Kadri. Burke's third round pick the same draft-Mckegg is a better player than Knight.

And what "Dynamic" players over Toronto did Boston have?
- RogerRoeper

Settle down. Unpuff your chest. This is the first post lockout playoff experience (second lockout) so enjoy it. Don't embarrass yourself

Settle down. Unpuff your chest. This is the first post lockout playoff experience (second lockout) so enjoy it. Don't embarrass yourself
- salvadorsanchez

So controversial of me to suggest it is not the worst trade in NHL history

So controversial of me to suggest it is not the worst trade in NHL history
- RogerRoeper

At the time the trade did not look so bad, but when the leafs ended up second last, the trade looked horrible.............and now as time marches on, the trade looks a little bit better from the leafs perspective.

But in two years from now it may look a lot different, it's evolving, and if Kessel moves on to another team it will change even more.

At the time the trade did not look so bad, but when the leafs ended up second last, the trade looked horrible.............and now as time marches on, the trade looks a little bit better from the leafs perspective.

But in two years from now it may look a lot different, it's evolving, and if Kessel moves on to another team it will change even more.
- Doppleganger

I agree with this 100%. That's why judging a trade like this right away like what was done was a mistake.

Seguin a 3rd line player

LMFAO at you, Roger.

BTW, anybody thinking Tyler was along for the ride for the cup run is a fool. We needed his outburst in the tight Tampa series.

Then again, I wouldn't expect the Leafs fan to understand playoff hockey since they just took the last decade off.

Enjoy Kessel and his pudge. Great goal scorer....but an awful team guy. Which is why he fell to us in the first place

I agree with this 100%. That's why judging a trade like this right away like what was done was a mistake.
- RogerRoeper

So did you make a mistake with your first post


Can you call this trade a "Win-Win"? I think you can. Kessel is still only 25 years old and he keeps getting better.

Looks like you judged it to me

Seguin a 3rd line player

LMFAO at you, Roger.

BTW, anybody thinking Tyler was along for the ride for the cup run is a fool. We needed his outburst in the tight Tampa series.

Then again, I wouldn't expect the Leafs fan to understand playoff hockey since they just took the last decade off.

Enjoy Kessel and his pudge. Great goal scorer....but an awful team guy. Which is why he fell to us in the first place
- bruinsbeer69

Seguin scored so many goals from the pressbox.

i think this thread will make a lot more sense in a couple of weeks. should be interesting

Seguin scored so many goals from the pressbox.
- daeth

More playoff goals than all the Leafs combined over the past 8 years

More playoff goals than all the Leafs combined over the past 8 years
- bruinsbeer69

But their golf handicaps are better, but that might take a hit this year, as they'll be proposing their annual end of season golf tourney.

But their golf handicaps are better, but that might take a hit this year, as they'll be proposing their annual end of season golf tourney.
- Doppleganger

seguin has one more cup and ball than kessel

seguin has one more cup and ball than kessel
- salvadorsanchez

Do you really feel that "he has more cups" is a great argument? Cups are won by teams, not individuals. Mathieu Dandenault has three cups. Do you feel that makes him a better hockey player than Zdeno Chara, who will likely never win 3?

seguin has one more cup and ball than kessel
- salvadorsanchez

Glenn Healy has as many cups as Seguin too. The guy was a beast.