Actually, Julien may have to focus on others. You can't just eliminate Kessel and that's it anymore. The Leafs got 3 out of the last 4 points against the Bruins and Kadri looked great.
- RogerRoeper

stopping Kadri and not shooting pucks into your goalies logo will be our toughest tasks

stopping Kadri and not shooting pucks into your goalies logo will be our toughest tasks
- bruinsbeer69

Kadri didn't do anything all month. That was largely why Toronto sucked so bad in April.

Kadri didn't do anything all month. That was largely why Toronto sucked so bad in April.
- daeth

I think he's a good player...one to be feared if he gets hot in the playoffs. Who knows, maybe he'll be the next No Show Joe Thornton

You don't think Seguin's been a dissapointment? It was already stated the great hype he got in Europe. He was expected to do a lot more. The media kissed his butt over his play in Europe.

And +/- is a team stat. Not impressive. Phil Kessel was +23 his last season in Boston.
- RogerRoeper

He played awesome in Europe, he's been pretty good, not great since getting back. FWIW he's on pace to roughly match what Phil did in season 3 and better production over his first 200ish games. So while we hoped for an explosion, he's been good, not fantastic and probably about what should be expected from him this year.

Update


Kessel 3 goals (2 game winners) 1 assist +2

Seguin 0 goals 0 assits
Hamilton 0 goals 0 assits (sat 4 games)

Update


Kessel 3 goals (2 game winners) 1 assist +2

Seguin 0 goals 0 assits
Hamilton 0 goals 0 assits (sat 4 games)
- senstroll

Personally, I would have waited until after game seven to post the trash talk. Phil not so invisiphil this series. Year 7 and in his prime he's got a few key goals. Seguin not playing great yet and Hamilton only in sparingly. Both have many more years to work it out

Personally, I would have waited until after game seven to post the trash talk. Phil not so invisiphil this series. Year 7 and in his prime he's got a few key goals. Seguin not playing great yet and Hamilton only in sparingly. Both have many more years to work it out
- salvadorsanchez

While that’s fair, I’d say the same thing would have been fair when people were trashing Kessel all these years.

Personally, I would have waited until after game seven to post the trash talk. Phil not so invisiphil this series. Year 7 and in his prime he's got a few key goals. Seguin not playing great yet and Hamilton only in sparingly. Both have many more years to work it out
- salvadorsanchez

No need to wait till game 7...pushing the big bad superior bruins this far is enough for me to take some pride in the leafs.

I could fill 10 pages of trash talk about Kessel from every other fan.
I was not a fan of the timing of the trade at all...But Kessel has pretty much busted any criticism that has been sent his way, starting from the He cant produce without Savard to one dimensional to will disappear in the playoffs..its endless

I expect the leafs to lose tonight, Boston has 10x the experience and a cup to show...the leafs have nothing

Hate to say it, but Phil's made huge strides in the later games of this series. Monkey appears to be off his back.

Still wouldn't reverse the trade but sure has to take the sting out for Leafs fans.

Has the Kessel trade overrated Seguin / Hamilton / Knight?

Nope.

/thread

Update


Kessel 3 goals (2 game winners) 1 assist +2

Seguin 0 goals 0 assits
Hamilton 0 goals 0 assits (sat 4 games)
- senstroll

Update, Seguin assists of SWG.

Update, Seguin assists of SWG.
- Doppleganger

lame assist... Gardiner passed it right onto Bergerons stick, so give him the credit.

i will be honest I was surprised at how little seguin did, he seemed weak, flopsy and not a factor.

Kessel 4 goals 2 assists.
Has 13 goals in 22 playoff games which is better than his regular season pace.
His value has went up, it will cost the leafs more soon

Update, Seguin assists of SWG.
- Doppleganger

Seguin did nothing all series unless you count flopping around on his back and occasionally shooting the puck right at the goalie.

Kessel was dangerous the entire series though.

Has the Kessel trade overrated Seguin / Hamilton / Knight?

Nope.

/thread
- JS2012

True, most of us realize those guys aren't that good after this series.

Seguin did nothing all series unless you count flopping around on his back and occasionally shooting the puck right at the goalie.

Kessel was dangerous the entire series though.
- daeth

Kessel was invisible through the first 2 games and 2/3 of Game 3, then he turned it on.

The Bergeron line was the best line on the ice for the first 2 games including Seguin but didn't get the production. For being "invisible" Seguin managed to tie Phil Kessel for 3rd in SOG in the series, while being relied on to be play line required to play a shutdown role. Certainly doesn't excuse lack of production, but sometimes bounces just don't go your way despite getting the chances. Phil was certainly the better player of the 2 over the series, but the KESSEL AWESOME - SEGUIN TEH WORST bias is just flat out wrong.

lame assist... Gardiner passed it right onto Bergerons stick, so give him the credit.

i will be honest I was surprised at how little seguin did, he seemed weak, flopsy and not a factor.

Kessel 4 goals 2 assists.
Has 13 goals in 22 playoff games which is better than his regular season pace.
His value has went up, it will cost the leafs more soon
- senstroll

Yup

Too soft to be a Bruins. did not make the leap that Tavares and Stamkos did from year 2 to 3.

I'd be fine moving him for the right return

Kessel was invisible through the first 2 games and 2/3 of Game 3, then he turned it on.

The Bergeron line was the best line on the ice for the first 2 games including Seguin but didn't get the production. For being "invisible" Seguin managed to tie Phil Kessel for 3rd in SOG in the series, while being relied on to be play line required to play a shutdown role. Certainly doesn't excuse lack of production, but sometimes bounces just don't go your way despite getting the chances. Phil was certainly the better player of the 2 over the series, but the KESSEL AWESOME - SEGUIN TEH WORST bias is just flat out wrong.
- Double_A

Kessel scored the GWG in game 2 lol.

He wasn't amazing every shift but he was consistently dangerous all while drawing the toughest defensive matchups making room for everyone else.

Yup

Too soft to be a Bruins. did not make the leap that Tavares and Stamkos did from year 2 to 3.

I'd be fine moving him for the right return
- bruinsbeer69

Whoa. I think that would be a huge mistake.

Yup

Too soft to be a Bruins. did not make the leap that Tavares and Stamkos did from year 2 to 3.

I'd be fine moving him for the right return
- bruinsbeer69

He's at minimum as soft as Kessel, only he doesn't have that one shot scoring ability like Kessel so he's not going to score on his one or two clear chances per game like him.

Now that he's going to be facing a softer team than the Leafs the rest of the way he'll probably explode but I'd be annoyed by his play if I were a Bruins fan.

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Kessel is a good scorer and showed up as a player (after he was done pissing his pants the first couple of games). Not a leading man and not worth what krecji or bergeron or lucic are to the bruins so they moved him. seguin will be fine and hamilton will be really good as well. Good luck

Kessel scored the GWG in game 2 lol.

He wasn't amazing every shift was he was consistently dangerous all while drawing the toughest defensive matchups making room for everyone else.
- daeth

He took a brilliant pass from Kadri after he blew the zone, so yes when he wasn't within 20 feet of an opponent, he was awesome for that 5 seconds in that game.

He got better as the series went on as I said, but Seguins "invisibility" and Kessels "dominance" are being WAY overblown here.

As I said above, this series and the fact the PhiL finally managed to shake the Bruin curse certainly must be a relief for Leafs fans. He's without a doubt a quality offensive player and I think you'll find that now most fans on either side will be content with what they got out of the deal.

That's often Kessel's game though, and partly why he's been able to be a point a game guy over the last couple seasons. Even when he's having a seemingly invisible game he'll more than likely still get a point somehow. He's good at capitalizing on what few chances he gets and he's good at making plays out of nothing. He's dangerous. I'm glad that continued in the playoffs.

He's at minimum as soft as Kessel, only he doesn't have that one shot scoring ability like Kessel so he's not going to score on his one or two clear chances per game like him.

Now that he's going to be facing a softer team than the Leafs the rest of the way he'll probably explode but I'd be annoyed by his play if I were a Bruins fan.
- daeth

It's neither players game, so not really relevant, but did have a chuckle looking at the stats. Registered hits per NHL.com Seguin = 14; Kessel = 1

It's neither players game, so not really relevant, but did have a chuckle looking at the stats. Registered hits per NHL.com Seguin = 14; Kessel = 1
- Double_A

Did Kessel get credit for accidentally hitting Chara to the ice because I don't recall him initiating contact otherwise.

I'll give Seguin credit for the occasional hit but in the offensive end it's guaranteed that a Leaf will come away with the puck if there's any physical contact being made, which is a Kessel specialty as well.

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Kessel is a good scorer and showed up as a player (after he was done pissing his pants the first couple of games). Not a leading man and not worth what krecji or bergeron or lucic are to the bruins so they moved him. seguin will be fine and hamilton will be really good as well. Good luck
- salvadorsanchez

Good question.

The thread doesn't ask a poor question per se. It's just still too close to call. The trade has yielded intense results by now for both teams, but I will say it's not as overblown as it looked on June 25th 2010.