Did Kessel get credit for accidentally hitting Chara to the ice because I don't recall him initiating contact otherwise.
I'll give Seguin credit for the occasional hit but in the offensive end it's guaranteed that a Leaf will come away with the puck if there's any physical contact being made, which is a Kessel specialty as well.
Doesn't really matter who's playing still. It wasn't exactly Kessel that choked away a 3 goal lead with 10 minutes left, and Seguin didn't carry the team at any point in that series and neither did Hamilton. If the rest of that Toronto team weren't so busy trying to figure out how to suck their own Richards Boston would be golfing right now.
Knight? Meh. Role player at best odds are when he is fully developed. He's basically a Colborne-type prospect.
Right now Kessel is the best player of the bunch by a decent margin. In a few years? That remains to be seen. Kessel has mostly peaked so it likely won't get any better for Toronto from here on out. It'd be easy to argue that on depth alone it was a win for Boston.
Doesn't really matter who's playing still. It wasn't exactly Kessel that choked away a 3 goal lead with 10 minutes left, and Seguin didn't carry the team at any point in that series and neither did Hamilton. If the rest of that Toronto team weren't so busy trying to figure out how to suck their own Richards Boston would be golfing right now.
Knight? Meh. Role player at best odds are when he is fully developed. He's basically a Colborne-type prospect.
Right now Kessel is the best player of the bunch by a decent margin. In a few years? That remains to be seen. Kessel has mostly peaked so it likely won't get any better for Toronto from here on out. It'd be easy to argue that on depth alone it was a win for Boston. - daeth
I was thinking Carter Ashton when I typed Colborne to be honest. - daeth
Carter Ashton is a B level, at best, prospect. But, at least he's got size. He may be able to carve out a niche as a depth player. Energy line banging winger. He doesn't really have the skill to be a top 6 winger. Jared Knight doesn't have the skill to be in the top 6 either. And he sure as hell has no use as a banging winger. He's a career AHLer.
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Knight is not an NHL caliber prospect. - Dirte
knight needs a full healthy year in the AHL to have that assumption judged. he had mono this year which would have been his first. i like his chances of being a 3rd or 4th liner.
knight needs a full healthy year in the AHL to have that assumption judged. he had mono this year which would have been his first. i like his chances of being a 3rd or 4th liner. - salvadorsanchez
He's never shown much. He didn't show very much post-draft in the CHL. He's just not very good.
Didn't realize we have a pro scout on hockey buzz. Welcome sir - salvadorsanchez
There were just under 50 players int he OHL alone last year that were point per game. PPG in the CHL as a 19/20 year old means SFA. 150ish in the entire CHL, every year. How many of those do you think make the NHL?
Carter Ashton is a B level, at best, prospect. But, at least he's got size. He may be able to carve out a niche as a depth player. Energy line banging winger. He doesn't really have the skill to be a top 6 winger. Jared Knight doesn't have the skill to be in the top 6 either. And he sure as hell has no use as a banging winger. He's a career AHLer. - Dirte
Knight reminds me of Chuck Kobasew, straight line guy, good wheels, good shot, will get dirty. Not awesome at anything but does a lot of stuff well and more than anything will leave everything out there.
3rd liner, 15 goal type guy, PKer sort of deal. Kobasew/Paille/etc that mold.
knight needs a full healthy year in the AHL to have that assumption judged. he had mono this year which would have been his first. i like his chances of being a 3rd or 4th liner. - salvadorsanchez
Kid's had a tough year injury wise, basically played on one foot in Mem Cup last year, and then tore and re-tore his hamstring in Prov, only played 12 games ... kind of a write off year for his development.
Knight reminds me of Chuck Kobasew, straight line guy, good wheels, good shot, will get dirty. Not awesome at anything but does a lot of stuff well and more than anything will leave everything out there.
3rd liner, 15 goal type guy, PKer sort of deal. Kobasew/Paille/etc that mold. - Double_A
Except, Dan Paille is a bit bigger and more built, put up way more offense at Knight's age, Kobasew, similar.... 40 goal scorer in the WHL. At this point, Jared Knight doesn't track to be as good as either of these two. Which illustrates exactly what I'm saying. Unless he picks it up considerably, he doesn't really look like an NHL prospect at this point. What does "Chuck Kobasew-lite" or "Dan Paille-lite" say to you? It says AHL to me.
Except, Dan Paille is a bit bigger and more built, put up way more offense at Knight's age, Kobasew, similar.... 40 goal scorer in the WHL. At this point, Jared Knight doesn't track to be as good as either of these two. Which illustrates exactly what I'm saying. Unless he picks it up considerably, he doesn't really look like an NHL prospect at this point. What does "Chuck Kobasew-lite" or "Dan Paille-lite" say to you? It says AHL to me. - Dirte
All 3 are 5'11" to 6' and 200 lbs. Knight is built like a tank (PC likes em thick ). Knight put up 36G's vs Chucks 41 and had a 70 pt season in the O vs Chuck's 62. Danny Paille put up remarkably similar #'s to Knight (80 points in his final season, in the 50's in his others).
In fact, he was one of the top 4 or 5 players for either team, and scored timely goals.
I have legit concerns about Tylers "softness" and that he didn't make a similar jump between year 2-3 that Stamkos and Tavares made. - bruinsbeer69
You're concerned that he's not a top 5 player in the league? I think you're suffering from high expectations BB Tyler's never going to be a mucker ... just not going to happen, but he had 3 fewer hits than Bergy this season, 2 more than Pevs, 1 more than Taylor Hall (this surprised me).
Like Daeth mentioned, he needs to be more willing to take contact and be stronger on the boards, but it's just part of maturing for a skilled guy. He's already strong defensively and plays a good 2 way game. I'd say he needs to get stronger on the wall and learn to use space a bit better, not try to skate through guys 1 on 1 etc, those are really my only 2 complaints about his game. Rather than Stamkos/Tavares I look for him to be somewhere in between Krejci/Bergy/Toews/Hossa types.
I haven't seen any real defensive ability from Seguin either to be honest. He looks to be the pure offensive type right now. - daeth
Then you aren't watching close enough, he's not a Selke candidate but he's hard on the back check. The fact the Claude has trusted him on his shutdown forward line is testament enough to his commitment to D.
Over the past 2 years, he's the leading scorer on a balanced, cup contending team. And even more impressively he had the highest +/- On per 60 this year on the team and 4th best on the team last year (behind Bergy, Kelly and Pevs)
Then you aren't watching close enough, he's not a Selke candidate but he's hard on the back check. The fact the Claude has trusted him on his shutdown forward line is testament enough to his commitment to D.
Over the past 2 years, he's the leading scorer on a balanced, cup contending team. And even more impressively he had the highest +/- On per 60 this year on the team and 4th best on the team last year (behind Bergy, Kelly and Pevs) - Double_A
I have watched him tons. He doesn't always commit to back checking and because of his weak ability to win board battles he's not effective defensively either.
I've never understood the idea that Seguin is a two-way player. He hasn't shown that at any point yet. He benefits from playing (mostly) on elite defensive lines. His +/- reflects that more than his actual ability defensively.
He's a developing offensive forward. Any disappointment regarding him would be because of overly high expectations from the start which I am guilty of myself. I thought he'd nearly be a point a game player with solid defensive ability by around this time, and figured he'd only grow from there. How often does that work with players though? You'd like top 2 picks to develop that fast but it's still rare. It was stupid of me to assume that. He still has 3-5 years before anyone should really worry about him not reaching his potential.
