Nah, I was talking Mother Nature.
- tangent_man

since wives were brought up by someone else and now you're bringing up nature I'll just throw this out there, my wife just got done doing here hair etc. so tomorrow I prolly won't feel so enraged

I'm going to be "that guy." 23 wins in a 48 game season isn't .500.
- Scoob

Its ok Scoob, I was "that guy" yesterday. Welcome to the club!

edit: long and short I find it odd that guys like Carter are bashed at will here while briere has been defended as if he's the messiah.
- JoeRussomanno

Carter disappears in the playoffs, while Briere turns into the orange Hulk.

Carter disappears in the playoffs, while Briere turns into the orange Hulk.
- phillydentist

who has name on the cup?

who has name on the cup?
- JoeRussomanno

Because Carter carried the Kings to it?

Because Carter carried the Kings to it?
- phillydentist

Briere has?

I too got on Carter, I know I came on board here after he and Richards left but i think that yes, most of that criticism was warranted those two got, however If I'm going to give them that flak as do others here I think it's only fair to apply it equally to those players who equally under perform. It's sports and I think we can all agree its about what have you done for me lately.
- JoeRussomanno

It's is very much a what have you done for me lately world. But I also think that criticism should be tempered in context (not referring to you, of course).

Example: There's a pretty much unanimous expectation that athletes go all out and fearlessly risk injury. But among some, said athletes had better not actually get injured too often, sit out unless something is broken (or even it's just a "minor" break), or play less effectively even if they really aren't close yet to even 75 percent recovered much less 100.

Another example: There is a perception among some that things such as playing out position, changes in situational use, roster turnover and frequent juggling of lines should never affect a player's statistical output... even though these factors absolutely can play a major role.

My problem with a lot of the Michael Barkann or Mike Missanelli types on the media end is they only harp on things like a flat statistic without knowing one iota or caring a whit about WHY that stat they mention non-stop -- inevitably coupled with the player's salary -- is what it is.

Briere has?
- JoeRussomanno

Absolutely. Briere was a huge reason besides Pronger behind the Flyers making it to the Cup Finals in 2010. 12G and 18A in 23 games. I think it was some sort of Flyers playoffs record also.

"Specifically in the 2010 Stanley Cup Final, Brière finished with 12 points (3 goals and 9 assists) – one point shy of Wayne Gretzky's record of 13 in a final, and the highest output in a final since Mario Lemieux in 1992."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Bri%C3%A8re

Briere has?
- JoeRussomanno

Joe, Briere individually and in combo with Leino and Hartnell had a lot more to do with the Flyers journey to the brink of a Cup in 2010 than Carter had in LA winning the Cup after his acquisition last year. LA was winning the Cup last year with or without Carter. You know that's true, and also that I'm not a Carter basher.

Technically, yes the Flyers could do that. However, I suspect the NHL would almost definitely investigate it, and then strike the blatantly pre-arranged re-signing down as "against the spirit of the (still-not-formally completed) CBA"."
- bmeltzer

My idea was more that we'd trade a pick (5th rounder) and Briere to a team for "future considerations." Then, the team would buyout Briere and the Flyers would resign him. This is a blatant case of collusion, and the NHL would 1) nix the trade and 2) hit both team with a penalty.

Carter disappears in the playoffs, while Briere turns into the orange Hulk.
- phillydentist

So a team with both would kick ass!

It's is very much a what have you done for me lately world. But I also think that criticism should be tempered in context (not referring to you, of course).

Example: There's a pretty much unanimous expectation that athletes go all out and fearlessly risk injury. But among some, said athletes had better not actually get injured too often, sit out unless something is broken (or even it's just a "minor" break), or play less effectively even if they really aren't close yet to even 75 percent recovered much less 100.

Another example: There is a perception among some that things such as playing out position, changes in situational use, roster turnover and frequent juggling of lines should never affect a player's statistical output... even though these factors absolutely can play a major role.

My problem with a lot of the Michael Barkann or Mike Missanelli types on the media end is they only harp on things like a flat statistic without knowing one iota or caring a whit about WHY that stat they mention non-stop -- inevitably coupled with the player's salary -- is what it is.
- bmeltzer

In all seriousness, I don't want players to recklessly risk injury. Case and point, he gets a lot of glory and accolades for it, but I'd rather lapierre not used his face to block that last one against NJ. Don't get me wrong, I love the fact he was willing to do that but it was a series the Flyers were winning anyway. Players need to lay it on the line but I don't want them to kill themselves or end their career.

The statistic thing isn't always fair either, no, hence I never mentioned plus/minus Look if briere comes back somehow next year, I'd shut up my criticism, I wasn't very vocal on here all season either, and hope he turns it around. as the saying goes, about the crest on the front not the name on the back.

Joe, Briere individually and in combo with Leino and Hartnell had a lot more to do with the Flyers journey to the brink of a Cup in 2010 than Carter had in LA winning the Cup after his acquisition last year. LA was winning the Cup last year with or without Carter. You know that's true, and also that I'm not a Carter basher.
- bmeltzer

yes I know.

So a team with both would kick ass!
- Scoob

NO they'd only get to game 6 of the finals.

My idea was more that we'd trade a pick (5th rounder) and Briere to a team for "future considerations." Then, the team would buyout Briere and the Flyers would resign him. This is a blatant case of collusion, and the NHL would 1) nix the trade and 2) hit both team with a penalty.
- jmatchett383

Exactly. It is not expressly prohibited, but you can be sure teams have already been told not to dare try and use it as a loophole around the compliance buyouts and the one-year rule for re-acquiring a bought-out player who is by then on a lower-salaried deal.

So a team with both would kick ass!
- Scoob

Ill never trash Carter. He was playing with either a separated shoulder, severely injured knee, or broken feet depending on which playoff run you want to look at.

The guy answered the bell and played through some serious injuries. And he may not have been productive, but his presence in the lineup drew attention away from other players.

Carter was a solid two way player who was vilified for his style of play. Which at times seemed effortless and looked like he was giving less than 100%.

He was streaky, and disappeared off the score sheet for longer stretches than I would have liked. But he always played a responsible game and for the most part was out there on the ice against top competition night in and night out.

Ill never trash Carter. He was playing with either a separated shoulder, severely injured knee, or broken feet depending on which playoff run you want to look at.

The guy answered the bell and played through some serious injuries. And he may not have been productive, but his presence in the lineup drew attention away from other players.

Carter was a solid two way player who was vilified for his style of play. Which at times seemed effortless and looked like he was giving less than 100%.

He was streaky, and disappeared off the score sheet for longer stretches than I would have liked. But he always played a responsible game and for the most part was out there on the ice against top competition night in and night out.
- MBFlyerfan

I have to admit I rather regret some of my own bashing of him. Still think the trade netted two very good players but if they could get him back somehow I'd be happy.

Ill never trash Carter. He was playing with either a separated shoulder, severely injured knee, or broken feet depending on which playoff run you want to look at.

The guy answered the bell and played through some serious injuries. And he may not have been productive, but his presence in the lineup drew attention away from other players.

Carter was a solid two way player who was vilified for his style of play. Which at times seemed effortless and looked like he was giving less than 100%.

He was streaky, and disappeared off the score sheet for longer stretches than I would have liked. But he always played a responsible game and for the most part was out there on the ice against top competition night in and night out.
- MBFlyerfan

I wasn't trashing. I was just having fun.

I wasn't trashing. I was just having fun.
- Scoob

Without looking this might be a violation of the cba right in the same section that says posting of women in swimwear or any form fitting clothing on the Bill Meltzer flyer thread is subject to instantaneous deletion and review for nuclear detonation of one's account.

I wasn't trashing. I was just having fun.
- Scoob

No worries Scoob, I wasn't referring to your post directly, I was just too lazy to scroll all the way up to reply.

nuclear detonation of one's account.
- JoeRussomanno

Some days here make that a palatable option.

Absolutely. Briere was a huge reason besides Pronger behind the Flyers making it to the Cup Finals in 2010. 12G and 18A in 23 games. I think it was some sort of Flyers playoffs record also.

"Specifically in the 2010 Stanley Cup Final, Brière finished with 12 points (3 goals and 9 assists) – one point shy of Wayne Gretzky's record of 13 in a final, and the highest output in a final since Mario Lemieux in 1992."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Bri%C3%A8re
- phillydentist

I'm just breaking your stones, doc. I'm just frustrated with how this season went, I'm frustrated that certain players Briere in particular did not rise to the occasion this year and disappeared last year against New Jersey. Yes despite my incessant fang gnashing against briere, I know he's been huge for us over the majority of his tenure.

PS it doesnt help that the summer looks filled with lousy baseball from the Phils either.

I say sign John LeClair or Eric Lindros to 1-day contracts and let them retire (again) as Flyers.

Boredom => ??? => posts like this.

Wait, the NBA playoffs are happening??? Since when???

Wait, the NBA playoffs are happening??? Since when???
- jmatchett383

NBA??