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coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Apr 28 @ 4:36 PM ET
Homer on Laviolette: "Peter is the coach ...I expect him to lead us back into the playoffs next year."
- FLYERSROCK!

Bummer. Team deserves better imho.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Apr 28 @ 4:39 PM ET
Anyone else routing for STL and against the Pens In the 1st round? Not trying to be a poor sport but I like seeing the cup passed around.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 28 @ 4:46 PM ET
Anyone else routing for STL and against the Pens In the 1st round? Not trying to be a poor sport but I like seeing the cup passed around.
- coffee junkie


yes
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 5:09 PM ET
I can't wait until one of PIT, CHI, or WSH wins the Cup so we can all start lusting after attack systems again.


- Tomahawk


Haven't seen Washington play much. But Pittsburgh and Chicago most definitely don't play the recklessly over aggressive style of play that the Flyers played for most of the Season. Both teams can play more then one style, and are committed to solid play in all 3 zones. Unlike the Flyers who for most of the Season, pretty much forechecked hard, and if you can make one pass, or chip off the glass, it was odd man rushes all game long.
In fact I watched one game when the Flyers played Pittsburgh. The Pens scored the go ahead goal early in the 3rd. Switched to a 1-2-2 forecheck, and checked the FLyers all over the ice. The Flyers never came close to scoring the tieing goal. So it's not about attack systems, and not being in favor of it. It's about playing the right way, in all 3 zones. And how the Flyers played most of the Season is not it.

So in conclusion, not sure where your comment is coming from.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 28 @ 5:11 PM ET
Haven't seen Washington play much. But Pittsburgh and Chicago most definitely don't play the recklessly over aggressive style of play that the Flyers played for most of the Season. Both teams can play more then one style, and are committed to solid play in all 3 zones. Unlike the Flyers who for most of the Season, pretty much forechecked hard, and if you can make one pass, or chip off the glass, it was odd man rushes all game long.
In fact I watched one game when the Flyers played Pittsburgh. The Pens scored the go ahead goal early in the 3rd. Switched to a 1-2-2 forecheck, and checked the FLyers all over the ice. The Flyers never came close to scoring the tieing goal. So it's not about attack systems, and not being in favor of it. It's about playing the right way, in all 3 zones. And how the Flyers played most of the Season is not it.

So in conclusion, not sure where your comment is coming from.

- MJL




MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 5:18 PM ET
Not well-liked in Anaheim either, especially when he was trying to usurp the starting role there and made it all too clear that he couldn't wait for them to get rid of Giguere... even went as far as to say Giguere would have been traded but "nobody wanted him".

Whether or not he's a good/great/elite goaltender is debatable, but what's not debatable is that he's always been a huge distraction on every team he's played on for a variety of reasons, including this summer in Russia where differences in language/culture couldn't be used as an excuse.

- Tomahawk


This is how it starts. This is the same crap as with Richards and Carter. Now according to you, Bryzgalov has never been liked anywhere he has played, including in Russia. And has been a huge distraction on every team he played on. Bunch of high school gossip, and pure nonsense.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 5:21 PM ET
So is everyone now off of the "Bryz is a great guy who is just misunderstood" train? Because that train had a lot of passengers during the season.
- Flyers_01


No, everyone is now on the Bryz is a distraction train. And you know what's it's all about? Results. That tells you how much baloney it is. If Bryz had a great year, which is all but impossible for any Goalie but the elite playing behind how this team played this year. None of this would even be talked about. But he would still have the same personality, and none of that would be different. This is like reading the gossip column, no kidding.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 5:22 PM ET
I have a feeling they're all just tired of the constant circus and tired of having to answer questions about him over and over.
- Tomahawk


I have a feeling you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Nothing but drama.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 5:29 PM ET
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/flyers/?wss=/philly/sports/flyers&id=204961591&viewAll=y#more. Love the indictment of Homer here. Anyone who thought this team was "fine as is" is blind. Gervais to replace Carle. Really? No Jagr. No JVR. Ok...Schenn was a great add, but we weren't deep and we have been sorely missing Pronger for 2 years. How many strikes does he get? Lets see, Parise, Suter, Weber... That's 3 right there. Too much of a step back to have any hope for success. I'm just thankful it was a short season. Watching this all year would have been painful.
- section32


Gervais wasn't signed to replace Carle. Sometimes with a young team you have to take a step back to move forward. It was time to move on from Jagr. And time for other players to play a bigger role, such as Voracek. The moves Holmgren tried to make were for the long term. Not the short term. It is one Season of growing pains. The future is still bright. There is a big picture to consider.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 5:34 PM ET
Not buying it. The reason we lost out on these marquee players is because every long term contract Homer signs gets traded the next year. Carter, Richards, JVR. Who is next...Giroux? People don't trust him and that's why we lost out on those deals.
- section32


You're making a huge leap, and a huge assumption there. So I guess the Flyers will never sign a top Free Agent again. Refresh my memory, why did Suter and Parise sing in Minnesota? And Shea Weber did sign the OS, did he not?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 5:35 PM ET
Yep, sure sounds like coach Lavi is coming back.
I wonder if the end of the year wins saved his job.

- Marc D


Sure it did. If we are picking within top 5 I don't think he's here
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 5:37 PM ET
even though i agree w/ many of his concerns, they had zero place on the nhl stage. i would take him if it meant that the dog and pony show w/ bryz ended. not entirely bryz's fault, but like bob once said, he gets paid to stop the puck.
- isaiah520



Yea, because there's no dog and pony show with Thomas!
wingz4life
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Canada Sucks, MI
Joined: 01.31.2006

Apr 28 @ 5:42 PM ET
Anyone else routing for STL and against the Pens In the 1st round? Not trying to be a poor sport but I like seeing the cup passed around.
- coffee junkie

when is phillys turn..
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 5:43 PM ET
Yea, because there's no dog and pony show with Thomas!
- MJL


You take isiah, Marc d, flyer nutter and I'll take tomahawk, svedhtdy, and mbflyerfan
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 28 @ 5:44 PM ET
You're making a huge leap, and a huge assumption there. So I guess the Flyers will never sign a top Free Agent again. Refresh my memory, why did Suter and Parise sing in Minnesota? And Shea Weber did sign the OS, did he not?
- MJL


This is a very good point. Philly is a town where many players want to come to (or atleast wouldnt mind coming to)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 5:48 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...y-media-in-grand-fashion/

You go Bryz!

- MBFlyerfan


Love that Bryzgalov is standing up for himself. But the Media is getting what they want. Drama. Instead of talking about the game.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 28 @ 5:52 PM ET
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/flyers/?wss=/philly/sports/flyers&id=204961591&viewAll=y#more. Love the indictment of Homer here. Anyone who thought this team was "fine as is" is blind. Gervais to replace Carle. Really? No Jagr. No JVR. Ok...Schenn was a great add, but we weren't deep and we have been sorely missing Pronger for 2 years. How many strikes does he get? Lets see, Parise, Suter, Weber... That's 3 right there. Too much of a step back to have any hope for success. I'm just thankful it was a short season. Watching this all year would have been painful.
- section32

Ohhhhhh....

Because it was Homer's fault Poile matched, and it was Homer's fault that Parise and Suter signed with Minnesota.

It all makes sense now.

3 strikes yer out! Them's the rules!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 28 @ 5:54 PM ET
Anyone else routing for STL and against the Pens In the 1st round? Not trying to be a poor sport but I like seeing the cup passed around.
- coffee junkie

The Blues are my second team. I'll be rooting hard for them with no Flyers in the playoffs
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 28 @ 5:54 PM ET
Haven't seen Washington play much. But Pittsburgh and Chicago most definitely don't play the recklessly over aggressive style of play that the Flyers played for most of the Season. Both teams can play more then one style, and are committed to solid play in all 3 zones. Unlike the Flyers who for most of the Season, pretty much forechecked hard, and if you can make one pass, or chip off the glass, it was odd man rushes all game long.
In fact I watched one game when the Flyers played Pittsburgh. The Pens scored the go ahead goal early in the 3rd. Switched to a 1-2-2 forecheck, and checked the FLyers all over the ice. The Flyers never came close to scoring the tieing goal. So it's not about attack systems, and not being in favor of it. It's about playing the right way, in all 3 zones. And how the Flyers played most of the Season is not it.

So in conclusion, not sure where your comment is coming from.

- MJL


I love this fallacy that Lavi never adjusts on the fly... Lavi never adjusted the breakout scheme against Tampa to test their 1-4... and Lavi never down-shifted to a passive 1-3-1 or 1-2-2 with a lead late in games. Lavi's this robot that has a string and when you pull it he shouts "3 guys deep! 3 guys deep!" If only he were as smart as the guys who posted over at hockeybuzz... grrrrr.




Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 28 @ 5:55 PM ET
and then sign clarkson
- Don'tForgetTocchet


There isn't room on the Flyers for Simmons, Hartnell and Clarkson all making $4m to $5m a year.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 28 @ 5:57 PM ET
This is how it starts. This is the same crap as with Richards and Carter. Now according to you, Bryzgalov has never been liked anywhere he has played, including in Russia. And has been a huge distraction on every team he played on. Bunch of high school gossip, and pure nonsense.
- MJL



Not according to me.

According to Bill and according to current and ex-teammates, both on and off the record.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 28 @ 6:00 PM ET
I love this fallacy that Lavi never adjusts on the fly... Lavi never adjusted the breakout scheme against Tampa to test their 1-4... and Lavi never down-shifted to a passive 1-3-1 or 1-2-2 with a lead late in games. Lavi's this robot that has a string and when you pull it he shouts "3 guys deep! 3 guys deep!" If only he were as smart as the guys who posted over at hockeybuzz... grrrrr.





- Tomahawk


If he was a smarter coach he would have adjusted before all the major injuries struck in late March, and the Flyers would be in the playoffs. The first two months of this season his stuck to his system of a three man forecheck combined with aggressive pinching, and it lead to a continual stream of odd man rushes for other teams.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 28 @ 6:00 PM ET
You take isiah, Marc d, flyer nutter and I'll take tomahawk, svedhtdy, and mbflyerfan
- Just5




Good luck with that

Edit: This place was so light hearted a few days ago. Wtf
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 6:02 PM ET
There isn't room on the Flyers for Simmons, Hartnell and Clarkson all making $4m to $5m a year.
- Feanor


Clarksons not a guy I would target.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Apr 28 @ 6:05 PM ET
And JVR was "injured" at the trade deadline with a mysterious concussion

Lost all credibility

- KINGKENZO

Kinda like Briere did this year. Yes, I know he has a NTC, but he probably would have waived if asked. But this way he didn't have to.
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