trading away gabby, we should be fine this summer.

the wildcard is clowe who's apparently seeking a deal upwards of 4 mil AAV but he hasn't exactly shown he's worth anything close to that as of yet.
- rangerdanger94

He was pretty damn good for you guys since coming over. Proving something to NYR is something he has done in his short stint. He hasnt shown anything would say he didnt do anything. He was what. 3 or 4 pts from a pt per gm for you guys? Weather its the Rangers or someone else. Hes gonna get his money. But the trade was more for a cup run anyways.

No one is arguing that. But if your not a cup finals teams you dont just fail for the top draft pick because your not a cup final team. This guy is redic. Colorado has way better players and prospects for sure. But because your not in the finals or winning the cup doesnt mean that your supposed to be a lottery team.
- poisondhearts37

I firmly believe the draft set up is still slightly flawed... even with the adjustment... it really does create a culture where if you aren't going to be in the top 16... you should be in the bottom 3.

Colorado seemed to just never hit a stride... Duchene struggled.. Oreily didn't sign until a bit into the season and I think Landeskog missed a good deal of time. It just didn't seem to come together for them.. kind of like Montreal last year... definitely a better team than their record indicates.

I think the biggest problem was not resigning Prust. One of the biggest strengths NYR had last year was one of the leagues best bottom 6s and Prust is one of the best players in the league at that role. I was shocked you let him go.
- Meeqsb

it was tough to let him go but sather let him go knowing howson was gonna pull the trigger on the nash trade eventually which would be adding a 7.8 mil contract. couple that with knowing that we had to sign stepan, hagelin, and mcdonagh (which would've been really really hard pre-gabby trade), we just couldn't match montreal's offer of 2.5 mil a year for a 4th line player. that and i think sather didn't like the length of the contract for a guy that fights often and gets worn down.

this dorsett character we got in the gabby trade is supposed to be a prust 2.0. really looking forward to seeing him once he's healthy.

He was pretty damn good for you guys since coming over. Proving something to NYR is something he has done in his short stint. He hasnt shown anything would say he didnt do anything. He was what. 3 or 4 pts from a pt per gm for you guys? Weather its the Rangers or someone else. Hes gonna get his money. But the trade was more for a cup run anyways.
- poisondhearts37

clowe's been good but not 4.5-5 mil per year for 8 years good like he's apparently asking for.

he's only scored 2 goals in that first game where all the new guys exploded and another goal where brodeur misplayed the puck and passed it to him for an empty net.

he's a hell of a character guy and sets the tone with hits but still....not 5 mil per year for 8 years good.

that being said, a good playoff run for him could change that. it's a shame he's got a potential concy though.

No one is arguing that. But if your not a cup finals teams you dont just fail for the top draft pick because your not a cup final team. This guy is redic. Colorado has way better players and prospects for sure. But because your not in the finals or winning the cup doesnt mean that your supposed to be a lottery team.
- poisondhearts37

You have to admit that finishing 9th and 10th and 11th year after year has hurt the team. No team ever tries to lose. I applaud the effort but I think the situation is very black and white. You are either in the playoffs or you aren't and for the teams that aren't they can at least look forward to drafting all world talent knowing it will help reverse their fortunes.

The Flames year after year don't make the playoffs AND don't draft high. A.k.a they are going no where fast.

Thats the point I am trying to make. It has nothing to do telling players to throw games, I don't think there is a team in the league who doesn't go out every night and try to win. It has to do with the way the Flames are doing everything they can to NOT build a Cup worthy team.

They refuse to rebuild, they pay a ton of money to average UFA's (Wideman, Hudler, ect), they don't get quality players in the draft and for christ sakes their GM almost gave away a 1st and a 3rd rnd to the Avs to send a player to another team.

The flames have Giordano as their 1 good player and Bartchi (sp) as their one noteworthy prospect because their MGMT has run the once proud franchise into the ground. They are a Joke

it was tough to let him go but sather let him go knowing howson was gonna pull the trigger on the nash trade eventually which would be adding a 7.8 mil contract. couple that with knowing that we had to sign stepan, hagelin, and mcdonagh (which would've been really really hard pre-gabby trade), we just couldn't match montreal's offer of 2.5 mil a year for a 4th line player. that and i think sather didn't like the length of the contract for a guy that fights often and gets worn down.

this dorsett character we got in the gabby trade is supposed to be a prust 2.0. really looking forward to seeing him once he's healthy.
- rangerdanger94

Prust is still better than Dorsett. And bigger I think. But we dont know what Dorsett will do on a good team like NYR. When Dorsett was with CBJ they were always a bad team with a terrible culture. Letting Prust go isnt gonna hold you guys back. Gabby trade was a solid trade to. Interested to see what Mcdonagh and Stepan get money wise. Stepan was like almost a pt per gm this year.

Prust is still better than Dorsett. And bigger I think. But we dont know what Dorsett will do on a good team like NYR. When Dorsett was with CBJ they were always a bad team with a terrible culture. Letting Prust go isnt gonna hold you guys back. Gabby trade was a solid trade to. Interested to see what Mcdonagh and Stepan get money wise. Stepan was like almost a pt per gm this year.
- poisondhearts37

prust is a little bigger but they're essentially very similar players. they both fight people only bigger than them (and dorsett apparently actually wins the fights). dorsett is also an extremely good PKer and hits harder and more often than prust according to CBJ fans. i guess we'll see but again, prust just isn't worth 2.5 mil a year. paying him that money would mean not being able to afford one of stepan, mcdonagh, or hagelin and those 3 > prust.

mcdonagh and stepan are gonna get paaaaaaaaaid. stepan has been NYR's best player after hank...better and more consistent than nash. stepan will probably get around 4 mil per. mcdonagh too. only thing is that sather is notorious for playing hardball with his RFAs and ALWAYS getting them to fold. i mean...who thought MDZ would sign for what he did?

I firmly believe the draft set up is still slightly flawed... even with the adjustment... it really does create a culture where if you aren't going to be in the top 16... you should be in the bottom 3.

Colorado seemed to just never hit a stride... Duchene struggled.. Oreily didn't sign until a bit into the season and I think Landeskog missed a good deal of time. It just didn't seem to come together for them.. kind of like Montreal last year... definitely a better team than their record indicates.
- kneughter

The bottom 3 is just where you get your franchise players you can build around. Your JTs for Long Island, your Ovechkins, your Crosbys. You only need 1 or 2 top 3 picks and then you can use the later round picks to build around them.

You can still get Eberle's at 14th and Tarensenko's with mid firsts, Webers with your seconds.

Calgary drafts some random high school kid though who needs like 5 years of development.

You have to admit that finishing 9th and 10th and 11th year after year has hurt the team. No team ever tries to lose. I applaud the effort but I think the situation is very black and white. You are either in the playoffs or you aren't and for the teams that aren't they can at least look forward to drafting all world talent knowing it will help reverse their fortunes.

The Flames year after year don't make the playoffs AND don't draft high. A.k.a they are going no where fast.

Thats the point I am trying to make. It has nothing to do telling players to throw games, I don't think there is a team in the league who doesn't go out every night and try to win. It has to do with the way the Flames are doing everything they can to NOT build a Cup worthy team.

They refuse to rebuild, they pay a ton of money to average UFA's (Wideman, Hudler, ect), they don't get quality players in the draft and for christ sakes their GM almost gave away a 1st and a 3rd rnd to the Avs to send a player to another team.

The flames have Giordano as their 1 good player and Bartchi (sp) as their one noteworthy prospect because their MGMT has run the once proud franchise into the ground. They are a Joke
- Meeqsb

Wideman yes. Hudler has been good for them. Like I said. I do agree that they should have done the rebuild alreayd. With or without Iggy. They didnt even have to move Iggy for it to happen. And they did yes, get a terrible return on Iggy. Morrow alone got a better return jsut being trading for Joe Morrow. Just getting one super good prospect woulda been better than what they got for him. Sucks they have to over pay to get people to play for them. The Kings go through the same thing. Scuderi a great warrior and I truly do love him and hope he is resigned. Was signed for to much. We overpaid for crap guys like Pony and Hunter. Any filler we've used in the past five years was making to much. That does suck.

prust is a little bigger but they're essentially very similar players. they both fight people only bigger than them (and dorsett apparently actually wins the fights). dorsett is also an extremely good PKer and hits harder and more often than prust according to CBJ fans. i guess we'll see but again, prust just isn't worth 2.5 mil a year. paying him that money would mean not being able to afford one of stepan, mcdonagh, or hagelin and those 3 > prust.

mcdonagh and stepan are gonna get paaaaaaaaaid. stepan has been NYR's best player after hank...better and more consistent than nash. stepan will probably get around 4 mil per. mcdonagh too. only thing is that sather is notorious for playing hardball with his RFAs and ALWAYS getting them to fold. i mean...who thought MDZ would sign for what he did?
- rangerdanger94

I bet they both get more than 4mil each. Well Stepan yeah. Mcdonagh maybe not yet. But soon.

prust is a little bigger but they're essentially very similar players. they both fight people only bigger than them (and dorsett apparently actually wins the fights). dorsett is also an extremely good PKer and hits harder and more often than prust according to CBJ fans. i guess we'll see but again, prust just isn't worth 2.5 mil a year. paying him that money would mean not being able to afford one of stepan, mcdonagh, or hagelin and those 3 > prust.

mcdonagh and stepan are gonna get paaaaaaaaaid. stepan has been NYR's best player after hank...better and more consistent than nash. stepan will probably get around 4 mil per. mcdonagh too. only thing is that sather is notorious for playing hardball with his RFAs and ALWAYS getting them to fold. i mean...who thought MDZ would sign for what he did?
- rangerdanger94

Thats what happens when you have a deep elite team. It will be interesting to see what happens with you guys.

Do you think Richards will be bought out?

The bottom 3 is just where you get your franchise players you can build around. Your JTs for Long Island, your Ovechkins, your Crosbys. You only need 1 or 2 top 3 picks and then you can use the later round picks to build around them.

You can still get Eberle's at 14th and Tarensenko's with mid firsts, Webers with your seconds.

Calgary drafts some random high school kid though who needs like 5 years of development.
- Meeqsb

and hanks in the 7th round and callys in the 4th round

Wideman yes. Hudler has been good for them. Like I said. I do agree that they should have done the rebuild alreayd. With or without Iggy. They didnt even have to move Iggy for it to happen. And they did yes, get a terrible return on Iggy. Morrow alone got a better return jsut being trading for Joe Morrow. Just getting one super good prospect woulda been better than what they got for him. Sucks they have to over pay to get people to play for them. The Kings go through the same thing. Scuderi a great warrior and I truly do love him and hope he is resigned. Was signed for to much. We overpaid for crap guys like Pony and Hunter. Any filler we've used in the past five years was making to much. That does suck.
- poisondhearts37

You still used the draft to get core players like Doughty and drafted very well with Kopitar and Brown. You used your 5th overall pick in Schenn to get your star players like Richards. Even JJ who you used to get Carter was a #2 overall pick.

The kings never tried to lose, they just couldn't find a goalie so they drafted very strongly and made excellent trades to build the team they have today.

You build cup winning teams through the draft, which the kings have done excellently with players like Voynov ect and you had the high picks to compliment that.

Calgary has CHOSEN to put off a rebuild for far to long and are paying for it by constantly putting together mediocre teams.

I bet they both get more than 4mil each. Well Stepan yeah. Mcdonagh maybe not yet. But soon.
- poisondhearts37

i could see stepan signing a contract similar to duchene's for a couple years. something like a bridge contract to make sure it wasn't just a fluke year. mcdonagh has the potential to turn into one of the top 5 all around defensemen in the league so he will get paid eventually if it's not this summer. if you look at our defense though, our defensemen are all signed to really good value contracts (probably the best in the league). i think sather will ask him if he thinks he deserves more money than girardi or staal to put it in perspective and get him to sign for less.

Thats what happens when you have a deep elite team. It will be interesting to see what happens with you guys.

Do you think Richards will be bought out?
- Meeqsb

it won't be this summer but maybe next summer. he's been playing really well the past week or 2. it all depends on how he plays in the playoffs and next season but it's hard to think that if he's still struggling by next summer that sather will allow his almost 7 mil cap hit to stay on the books for close to a decade when hank, girardi, staal, etc. etc. all need contracts.

and hanks in the 7th round and callys in the 4th round
- rangerdanger94

A little luck never hurt anyone

Hell Detroit grabbed Zetty in the 7th and Datsyuk in the 5th or something and Skipped their rebuild all together with the help of the best Dman to ever play the game in Lidstrom lmao

So I guess it CAN be done

A little luck never hurt anyone

Hell Detroit grabbed Zetty in the 7th and Datsyuk in the 5th or something and Skipped their rebuild all together with the help of the best Dman to ever play the game in Lidstrom lmao

So I guess it CAN be done
- Meeqsb

gordie clark don't believe in luck dawg

it ain't a fluke if it happens often:
hagelin in 6th round
stepan in 2nd round
callahan in 4th round
hank in 7th round
girardi undrafted
dubinsky in 2nd round

gordie clark don't believe in luck dawg

it ain't a fluke if it happens often:
hagelin in 6th round
stepan in 2nd round
callahan in 4th round
hank in 7th round
girardi undrafted
dubinsky in 2nd round
- rangerdanger94

That is legit, however I will say the Gomez trade where you got Mcdonagh was one of the biggest steals I have EVER seen. Like holy god.

You GM sucks at signing contracts however he knows how to draft and how to trade

That is legit, however I will say the Gomez trade where you got Mcdonagh was one of the biggest steals I have EVER seen. Like holy god.

You GM sucks at signing contracts however he knows how to draft and how to trade
- Meeqsb

yea

gabby trade might be up there too. if he doesn't return to 30-40 goal form, then we traded an aging player with a 7.5 mil contract for a top 10 pick in brassard who's now starting to show his potential, dorsett, and john moore who knowledgeable ranger fans see as the mcdonagh and centerpiece of this trade. moores done nothing but literally look like mcdonagh out there.

and then there's the nash trade where we only have up dubi, anisimov, erixon and a 1st when every expert and hockey fan thought for sure we gave up stepan, mcdonagh, kreider, and a 1st.

as for the drafting...sather just let's gordie clark work his magic

You have to admit that finishing 9th and 10th and 11th year after year has hurt the team. No team ever tries to lose. I applaud the effort but I think the situation is very black and white. You are either in the playoffs or you aren't and for the teams that aren't they can at least look forward to drafting all world talent knowing it will help reverse their fortunes.

The Flames year after year don't make the playoffs AND don't draft high. A.k.a they are going no where fast.

Thats the point I am trying to make. It has nothing to do telling players to throw games, I don't think there is a team in the league who doesn't go out every night and try to win. It has to do with the way the Flames are doing everything they can to NOT build a Cup worthy team.

They refuse to rebuild, they pay a ton of money to average UFA's (Wideman, Hudler, ect), they don't get quality players in the draft and for christ sakes their GM almost gave away a 1st and a 3rd rnd to the Avs to send a player to another team.

The flames have Giordano as their 1 good player and Bartchi (sp) as their one noteworthy prospect because their MGMT has run the once proud franchise into the ground. They are a Joke
- Meeqsb

The good news is, the Flames are starting to rebuild. Better late than never. Thanks for the trash talk though.

Flames are having trouble out sucking the sucky teams

Ahem...just gonna drop this here--you know, in case anybody needs it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

NHL system is a joke. The worst team should always get the first pick. How else will teams like Florida get out of the cellar. It's not fair at all. Congrats on the other hand. jones will look good there.

Do you guys think its a sure thing it's Jones?
- BallardHitsHard22

Agreed. With Connor McDavid and Aaron Ekblad coming up, it would only be fair for a team to tank to ensure they can get them both over the next 2 years, much like the Nordiques threw a season to get Lindros.

Congrats

NHL system is a joke. The worst team should always get the first pick. How else will teams like Florida get out of the cellar. It's not fair at all. Congrats on the other hand. jones will look good there.

Do you guys think its a sure thing it's Jones?
- BallardHitsHard22

The reason they do it is so teams don't tank on purpose. You can thank Pittsburgh with Lemieux for this.