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JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 30 @ 9:01 PM ET
Which depletes the depth of the team. That's the thing, the Flyers farm system is pretty shallow right now, and trading more assets away for one piece, strains that system even more.

I doubt that Meszaros has any value, except as a salary dump.

- Jsaquella


I dunno, Mezaros can be a decent, 30 point per season defense man. Seeing as he'll just be hitting his prime around now, I still think he has alittle value left.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 30 @ 9:03 PM ET
He later admitted he regretted saying those things. Get with the times man.
- hereticpride

Ha oh ok, I still never said that I wanted Ryan here I think we have an ideal number of RWers, another 2nd line RWer and we'd just have a surplus.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 30 @ 9:05 PM ET
I dunno, Mezaros can be a decent, 30 point per season defense man. Seeing as he'll just be hitting his prime around now, I still think he has alittle value left.
- JAKEw1234

Or has only been in his prime for a season or 2 at most now
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 30 @ 9:07 PM ET
I dunno, Mezaros can be a decent, 30 point per season defense man. Seeing as he'll just be hitting his prime around now, I still think he has alittle value left.
- JAKEw1234


He's missed 60 games the last two years and has had repeated shoulder injuries.

He has very little value, far better off seeing if he's healthy and hanging onto him than dumping him for a 4th rounder. If he's not healthy, use the LTIR relief
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:15 PM ET
Would you guys trade #11 and a 3rd for #19 and #23 from Columbus?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 30 @ 9:16 PM ET
Would you guys trade #11 and a 3rd for #19 and #23 from Columbus?
- jstross


I'd do it for 14 & 23
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 30 @ 9:16 PM ET
Damn when the Hawks get their legs moving and gallop they are fun to watch.

Smart, aggressive, and hard to play against.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:19 PM ET
I'd do it for 14 & 23
- Jsaquella


Absolutely.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:20 PM ET
Damn when the Hawks get their legs moving and gallop they are fun to watch.

Smart, aggressive, and hard to play against.

- flyer_nutter


If only they had Doug Murray they'd be a lock for the Cup.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 30 @ 9:23 PM ET
He's missed 60 games the last two years and has had repeated shoulder injuries.

He has very little value, far better off seeing if he's healthy and hanging onto him than dumping him for a 4th rounder. If he's not healthy, use the LTIR relief

- Jsaquella

You're probably right.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:24 PM ET
TWIW, but I thought on the surface this was an interesting proposed draft choice points chart. It puts your deal at relatively even, slight advantage for Columbus.

http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~...s/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf

I'd do it for 14 & 23
- Jsaquella
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 30 @ 9:28 PM ET
Absolutely.
- jstross

Maybe not actually. The best place to be in the 2003 draft was in the top 10. There was amazing talent outside of the top 10 but teams were less likely to get that next big player. I'd like to see them trade up personally.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 30 @ 9:31 PM ET
TWIW, but I thought on the surface this was an interesting proposed draft choice points chart. It puts your deal at relatively even, slight advantage for Columbus.

http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~...s/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf

- jstross


I'm going off the general consensus among most scouts and reports that the draft has a drop off after 35 or so, in terms of quality.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:31 PM ET
Would you guys trade #11 and a 3rd for #19 and #23 from Columbus?
- jstross

Bad trade for C-Bus. They should be getting the 2nd rounder, not the 3rd in that deal.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:37 PM ET
Bad trade for C-Bus. They should be getting the 2nd rounder, not the 3rd in that deal.
- hereticpride


It all depends on who they may want they can honestly play around with 1 of the 3 picks they have in round 1. I wouldn't but if they strongly believe the player they may want at #11 is worth it they'll make every effort to get a deal done.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:38 PM ET
Bad trade for C-Bus. They should be getting the 2nd rounder, not the 3rd in that deal.
- hereticpride


I wouldn't trade down 8 slots to only move up 18 slots on the second pick.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Apr 30 @ 9:38 PM ET
http://extramustard.si.co...stanley-cup-playoff-odds/

Couple of give mes
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:40 PM ET
I wouldn't trade down 8 slots to only move up 18 slots on the second pick.
- jstross

Fair enough. I dont think Columbus trades an extra first rounder to only move up 8 spots and only get a third to make up 23rd pick.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:48 PM ET
That's the annoying part of the strong finish. Sure the 1st rd pick dropped 6 spots, but so did the 2nd rounder which was looking sweet at 34-35. It's a double whammy.

I'm going off the general consensus among most scouts and reports that the draft has a drop off after 35 or so, in terms of quality.
- Jsaquella

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:50 PM ET
I'm going off the general consensus among most scouts and reports that the draft has a drop off after 35 or so, in terms of quality.
- Jsaquella


There is drop off from the better end talent in that 35 range but I personally think you can still find good players but it will require patience in letting them develop.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:50 PM ET
If I'm the Flyers and there are 3 or 4 players I have rated closely I trade down and try and get another high 2nd or 3rd rounder. if they trade 1-3 spots for a high 3rd they can get themselves back into the top 35 for their 2nd pick. Fun times ahead!
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:52 PM ET
Phillies drop a nail-biter to the Indians 14-2
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:55 PM ET
If I'm the Flyers and there are 3 or 4 players I have rated closely I trade down and try and get another high 2nd or 3rd rounder. if they trade 1-3 spots for a high 3rd they can get themselves back into the top 35 for their 2nd pick. Fun times ahead!
- jstross


I better get more then a high 3rd round pick to trade down.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Apr 30 @ 10:01 PM ET
if you trade down 3 slots you can't expect more than a high 3rd. I'll take a high 2nd, but that's not really realistic. I also wouldn't do it if there weren't 3 comparable players I wanted on the board.

I better get more then a high 3rd round pick to trade down.
- MJL

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 10:02 PM ET
if you trade down 3 slots you can't expect more than a high 3rd. I'll take a high 2nd, but that's not really realistic. I also wouldn't do it if there weren't 3 comparable players I wanted on the board.
- jstross


Why not? A team wanting to do that obviously covets a player. I'd get at least a 2nd to do so.
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