True, but it wouldn't be an offer like that. That was an unrealistic scenario to make a point. But Coots and 2 1sts, a 2nd, and maybe Mez is a pretty huge over payment, but imo both worth it to the team, and not stupid on Homers part to overpay like that.
- JAKEw1234

It would definitely be stupid on Holmgren's part. One of those first round picks could be used to select a defenseman who could wind up a better player then Hamilton.

Which one didn't make sense for the Flyers? And like I said, you can drown logic with value.
- JAKEw1234

Couturier and 2 firsts for Hamilton.

I'd be wary of subscribing to a site that could be shut down by the FBI.
- Tomahawk

Why would it be shut down by the FBI?

All that for Hamilton? That'd be a ridiculous overpayment.
- Jsaquella

Mez would be more of a salary dump than a value piece. Plus with Hamilton and Mez we'd have 7 starters. I don't think it's that ridiculous of an over payment, either. I put it here before, but hockeysfuture.com has an awesome track record for rating prospects, and they place Hamilton at a 9.0 (elite). Pietrangelo was an 8.5 (between 2nd dman and elite dman) there, Subban an 8.0(2nd defenseman), Doughty a 9.0, Karlsson an 8.0, and the list goes on. I've only seen them be marginally wrong on a player, but based on that rating, even if only marignally wrong as others have been, I would put Hamilton being on the same level as the Dmen I just listed.

Because Pronger actually counts against the cap. The Flyers can get LTIR exemption for him, but that eats up space for bonuses, and if they use his space will get cap penalties for bonuses the next season.

It's not ideal to carry a guy on LTIR
- Jsaquella

Very dangerous game using LTIR and the Bonus cushion. But I fully expect the Flyers to be doing just that next Season.

Couturier and 2 firsts for Hamilton.
- MJL

How doesn't that make sense for the Flyers?

Mez would be more of a salary dump than a value piece. Plus with Hamilton and Mez we'd have 7 starters. I don't think it's that ridiculous of an over payment, either. I put it here before, but hockeysfuture.com has an awesome track record for rating prospects, and they place Hamilton at a 9.0 (elite). Pietrangelo was an 8.5 (between 2nd dman and elite dman) there, Subban an 8.0(2nd defenseman), Doughty a 9.0, Karlsson an 8.0, and the list goes on. I've only seen them be marginally wrong on a player, but based on that rating, even if only marignally wrong as others have been, I would put Hamilton being on the same level as the Dmen I just listed.
- JAKEw1234

And why would Boston be interested in that Salary dump?

How doesn't that make sense for the Flyers?
- JAKEw1234

Already answered above in the thread.

It would definitely be stupid on Holmgren's part. One of those first round picks could be used to select a defenseman who could wind up a better player then Hamilton.
- MJL

I dunno, they'd be a late 1st round pick, which is something to consider. The trend I see is that elite Dmen are either picked top 10, or are occasionally 3rd round + picks that end up surprising everyone. They'll get good prospects, for sure, but at that late I don't imagine them being anything over projected 2nd liners. I think we'd be ok.

And why would Boston be interested in that Salary dump?
- MJL

To fill a hole left by hamilton, atleast partially. Mez is a very decent Dman when he's healthy. I think the question is, why wouldn't they be? We'd already be overpaying for Hamilton with Coots and 2 firsts, why would they flat out say no just because we added Mez?

Mez would be more of a salary dump than a value piece. Plus with Hamilton and Mez we'd have 7 starters. I don't think it's that ridiculous of an over payment, either. I put it here before, but hockeysfuture.com has an awesome track record for rating prospects, and they place Hamilton at a 9.0 (elite). Pietrangelo was an 8.5 (between 2nd dman and elite dman) there, Subban an 8.0(2nd defenseman), Doughty a 9.0, Karlsson an 8.0, and the list goes on. I've only seen them be marginally wrong on a player, but based on that rating, even if only marignally wrong as others have been, I would put Hamilton being on the same level as the Dmen I just listed.
- JAKEw1234

So they have a Norris winner and a strong contender for the Norris rated as "2nd defensemen" and you say they're only marginally wrong?

Hamilton is a talented kid, but let's not start saying he'll be better than Pietrangelo, Karlsson or Subban just yet.

The dumbest thing in the World is going to be next Season, the Cap is going to be artificially lowered to 64.3. But then after next Season, I bet it goes up to well over the 70.2M it was this past Season. As much as a 10M rise. So the League got their 50/50, but the same problems will exist.
- MJL

I agree. The owners had at least two deals on the table from the players that would have benefited them more financially over the term of the current CBA. Throwing out an artificial cap for next season and paying out the make good monies is all paper shuffling and only harms team rosters not the actual financial payout.

How doesn't that make sense for the Flyers?
- JAKEw1234

Brian Burke, is that you?

To fill a hole. Mez is a very decent Dman when he's healthy. I think the question is, why wouldn't they be? We'd already be overpaying for Hamilton with Coots and 2 firsts, why would they flat out say no just because we added Mez?
- JAKEw1234

No one is trading for Mesz with the cap coming down and him only playing a handfull of games over the last few years.

And if he gets moved as s cap dump don't expect much in return at all.

So they have a Norris winner and a strong contender for the Norris rated as "2nd defensemen" and you say they're only marginally wrong?

Hamilton is a talented kid, but let's not start saying he'll be better than Pietrangelo, Karlsson or Subban just yet.
- Jsaquella

Sorry, I phrased that weirdly. an 8.0 is a top 2 dman, not necessarily a #2

To fill a hole. Mez is a very decent Dman when he's healthy. I think the question is, why wouldn't they be? We'd already be overpaying for Hamilton with Coots and 2 firsts, why would they flat out say no just because we added Mez?
- JAKEw1234

One big reason is that they only have $6.657mm in cap room next year and that total includes zero NHL goalies, 5 NHL defensemen and 11 Forwards. Adding Meszaros creates a cap nightmare for them

So they have a Norris winner and a strong contender for the Norris rated as "2nd defensemen" and you say they're only marginally wrong?

Hamilton is a talented kid, but let's not start saying he'll be better than Pietrangelo, Karlsson or Subban just yet.
- Jsaquella

Good luck. I give up!

Sorry, I phrased that weirdly. an 8.0 is a top 2 dman, not necessarily a #2
- JAKEw1234

Again, Karlsson is the on guy you mentioned that has won a Norris out of that group. So I'd say rating him below Doughty, Hamilton, et al. is pretty bad miss.

Brian Burke, is that you?
- feelingkettle

I would've gone with Mike Milbury.

I would've gone with Mike Milbury.
- MJL

I think the Kessel trade is a good reminder of what trading 2 1st round picks for a young player can turn into.

I would've gone with Mike Milbury.
- MJL

I guess I'm a little older... I was thinking Phil Esposito

No one is trading for Mesz with the cap coming down and him only playing a handfull of games over the last few years.

And if he gets moved as s cap dump don't expect much in return at all.
- hereticpride

It's not like we're trading Mez for hamilton alone. He's not in the trade for value. He's in the trade so Boston is possibly less concerned on who plays where hamilton was playing. He isn't a necessary part of the trade. We could dump him on another team and the trade would still be considered an outstanding over payment on our part.

I think the Kessel trade is a good reminder of what trading 2 1st round picks for a young player can turn into.
- feelingkettle

Basically. The Leafs got an outstanding goal scorer, but ended up trading away a potential franchise center and potential top pair defenseman to do it.

I think the Kessel trade is a good reminder of what trading 2 1st round picks for a young player can turn into.
- feelingkettle

And one of those picks was used to select Tyler Seguin if I'm not mistaken. Who had a 67 point Season in the NHL as a 20 year old. But by all means, let's trade Couturier AND 2 first round picks for Hamilton.

I want some of these guys in my Dynasty League. I have Hamilton, Subban...even Ty Rattie's waiting on my minor league roster. I could make a killing.