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JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 8:53 PM ET
The Flyers may have to settle for a Gardiner or Jamie McBain that fell out of favor or who ended up in the coach's doghouse. It's not awful, but it's a bit more risky than an established top 4 guy.
- Jsaquella

Jake Gardiner is talked about quite positively outside of toronto. Think we could pull a Luke Schenn? He ws way out of favor there, too. And look what we did in one shortened season?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 2 @ 8:55 PM ET
Jake Gardiner is talked about quite positively outside of toronto. Think we could pull a Luke Schenn? He ws way out of favor there, too. And look what we did in one shortened season?
- JAKEw1234


Depends on how much say the coach has on personnel issues. In the case of Gardiner, it's probably not as much as falling out of favor as being surpassed. In a case like McBain, he got deep in the doghouse
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 8:55 PM ET
I forgot how dangerous playoff hockey is I'm glad my flyers are home safe and sound
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 2 @ 8:56 PM ET
I forgot how dangerous playoff hockey is I'm glad my flyers are home safe and sound
- Just5



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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 8:57 PM ET
Only torts could have the shocked expression on his face with his hands out as if to say "what the (frank)" AS his team is about to go on a 5 on 3
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 2 @ 8:59 PM ET
Man that looked pretty clean actually
- Just5


These are about as good as I could get of it.



JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 9:00 PM ET
Depends on how much say the coach has on personnel issues. In the case of Gardiner, it's probably not as much as falling out of favor as being surpassed. In a case like McBain, he got deep in the doghouse
- Jsaquella

Well I think Gardiner is regarded to have a very good potential, and the track record so far with toronto treating their young dmen well isn't so good... Plus him and Luke Schenn are almost made by design to play on a pair together. In the case of McBain, I want nothing to do with him. He has been so bad this season. His hockey IQ is around a -10 and his positioning is atrocious. I would say he probably shouldn't even be playing in the NHL...
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 9:05 PM ET
2 goals in less than a minute for caps. Long live the king!!!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 2 @ 9:08 PM ET
Habs with 41 shots after 2 periods.
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

May 2 @ 9:19 PM ET
2 goals in less than a minute for caps. Long live the king!!!
- Just5

ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 2 @ 9:36 PM ET
Interesting, Gus has played 60 games in his career and is 24. Plug him into the top 6 next year, let him play between 17-20 minutes and see what happens. Amazing they gave up on guys like Pitkanen and Seidenberg at roughly the same age. They need to learn from past behavior.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 2 @ 9:40 PM ET
OUch..the result of the Eller hit..

Warning..lots of blood

https://twitter.com/D_LEE...30134487910449152/photo/1

JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 9:42 PM ET
OUch..the result of the Eller hit..

Warning..lots of blood

https://twitter.com/D_LEE...30134487910449152/photo/1

- opeth_pa

If he's lucky that's just a badly broken nose that's bleeding alot...
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 9:43 PM ET
Interesting, Gus has played 60 games in his career and is 24. Plug him into the top 6 next year, let him play between 17-20 minutes and see what happens. Amazing they gave up on guys like Pitkanen and Seidenberg at roughly the same age. They need to learn from past behavior.
- ravishingone

And I think they have... It's torontos job to give up on young defensemen now
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

May 2 @ 9:45 PM ET
The best move for Homer (which he has done in the past) is to acquire a young d-man who hasn't reached his potential. Also, he may have struggled with his last team before being traded to the Flyers, much like Luke Schenn and Matt Carle.

So with that in mind, I'm hoping Homer pursues:

-Rundblad
-Gardiner
-Leddy
-Cole

Having a d-man who can handle 20 minutes a game and add a very good first pass or actually lead the rush and play sound defensively would do wonders for this team next season.

- ravishingone
a read for Gardner? Listen a lot to 590 in Toronto... Carlyle won't play him.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 9:46 PM ET
Watching the Washington power play has to be one of my favorite things tow watch in hockey.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 2 @ 9:47 PM ET
Watching the Washington power play has to be one of my favorite things tow watch in hockey.
- JAKEw1234



Pretty much.. OV seems so engaged in the game over the past few weeks/months.. I love watching that.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 9:47 PM ET
a read for Gardner? Listen a lot to 590 in Toronto... Carlyle won't play him.
- Philly1980

I'm actually asking the toronto comment boards if they'd be happy with this moves as fans right now... I think the response is, maybe, but they already have alot of wingers, maybe with something like a 3rd or 3nd rounder added on they'd be happy.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 2 @ 9:47 PM ET
a read for Gardner? Listen a lot to 590 in Toronto... Carlyle won't play him.
- Philly1980


Add something else for us, Read has shown he can play & handle himself well in all situations and on multiple lines.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 9:53 PM ET
Add something else for us, Read has shown he can play & handle himself well in all situations and on multiple lines.
- ob18


I'd rather swap coburn out for Gardner
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

May 2 @ 9:53 PM ET
Add something else for us, Read has shown he can play & handle himself well in all situations and on multiple lines.
- ob18

Only reason I'm giving read is because of his contract situation. I don't think flyers can hold onto him
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

May 2 @ 9:55 PM ET
Only reason I'm giving read is because of his contract situation. I don't think flyers can hold onto him
- Philly1980


I think Read's contract situation will depend a lot on what Brayden Schenn does.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 9:56 PM ET
a read for Gardner? Listen a lot to 590 in Toronto... Carlyle won't play him.
- Philly1980


Why won't they play him? Isn't there a free Gardner website or something
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 9:59 PM ET
Why won't they play him? Isn't there a free Gardner website or something
- Just5

Because Toronto hates young players They did an almost identical thing to Luke Schenn. I think a Gardiner - Schenn pair could be devastating in a couple years.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

May 2 @ 10:02 PM ET
The Flyers may have to settle for a Gardiner or Jamie McBain that fell out of favor or who ended up in the coach's doghouse. It's not awful, but it's a bit more risky than an established top 4 guy.
- Jsaquella

he's not great but he is a puck mover- vlasic of SJ
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