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FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

May 2 @ 3:49 PM ET
the wings are overstocked on defensive prospects theres also sproul,oulette,
- wingz4life

I heard this once in a dream. Then I woke up. It's good to know you might be a good dance partner with us, as long as Homer doesn't T off another GM...
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

May 2 @ 3:51 PM ET
Tough one for me. I'm a huge Read fan. I like everything he does. Reminds me a bit of RJ Umberger who I also enjoyed watching play for us.

I think I might have to do it though. Would be bad for Dekeyser though since he had his pick of teams made his choice and then he doesn't even get a full season before getting traded.

- mayorofangrytown


Fascinating. Yeah hate to have him demoralized before he even got here. But we'd do it anyway
I'm sure he can cry into his pile of money. One thing Philly will do for you is show you the money if they want you to stay...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 2 @ 3:52 PM ET
Thats actually a good thought that I have yet to see mentioned...
- jak521


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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 3:57 PM ET
ok... totally going off the deep end here, but what do you guys think of a trade like this...

This is just an idea... tinker and toy with it how ever you want.

Our first and Simmonds for Carolina's 1st and Faulk?

- jak521


Consider it Done and something they would never do
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 3:59 PM ET
Dekeyser for Read
- wingz4life

Um, ok
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

May 2 @ 4:03 PM ET

I refuse to prove my geekiness on a hockey board....
I'm sure I'll do it all on my own without help.

- FlyersGrace


I think the Red Sonia Icon did that pretty well on it's own.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

May 2 @ 4:05 PM ET
I think the Red Sonia Icon did that pretty well on it's own.
- flyler

Leave KONAN out of this!
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 4:08 PM ET
I have an interesting question that I was only wondering about, not actually thinking about as a realisitc fix for the Flyer
I realized that I don't think anyone has ever traded out of the 1st overall position before, and the avalanche certainly wouldn't this year. As an example of the value of a 1st overall, and assuming Colorado was even taking an offer for such a valuable piece, what pieces now, that the Flyers have, would it take to get the 1st overall? This should be ontop of our 1st rounder for this year. Again this isn't realistic, this isn't even a suggestion, just me wondering the true value of a 1st overall. So here's the theoretical trade board:

Colorado:
1st Round Draft Pick (2013)

Philadelphia:
1st Round Draft Pick (2013)

If any of you could please fill out our side of the trade on what would realistically land the 1st overall (Again, assuming Colorado is even taking offers. I don't know why they would trade away a pick from a draft they rigged but whatever this is only a theoretical and could apply for any year not just this one). Please also dont just say 1st rounder plus Giroux, I'd like to get some serious thoughts on this
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 2 @ 4:10 PM ET
I have an interesting question that I was only wondering about, not actually thinking about as a realisitc fix for the Flyer
I realized that I don't think anyone has ever traded out of the 1st overall position before, and the avalanche certainly wouldn't this year. As an example of the value of a 1st overall, and assuming Colorado was even taking an offer for such a valuable piece, what pieces now, that the Flyers have, would it take to get the 1st overall? This should be ontop of our 1st rounder for this year. Again this isn't realistic, this isn't even a suggestion, just me wondering the true value of a 1st overall. So here's the theoretical trade board:

Colorado:
1st Round Draft Pick (2013)

Philadelphia:
1st Round Draft Pick (2013)

If any of you could please fill out our side of the trade on what would realistically land the 1st overall (Again, assuming Colorado is even taking offers. I don't know why they would trade away a pick from a draft they rigged but whatever this is only a theoretical and could apply for any year not just this one). Please also dont just say 1st rounder plus Giroux, I'd like to get some serious thoughts on this

- JAKEw1234


It's happened several times, the last being when the Sedins were taken (it was traded 2x that year).

Also, for that #1, say goodbye to both Schenns and Couturier, plus your next 2 seconds.
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

May 2 @ 4:12 PM ET
Leave KONAN out of this!
- FlyersGrace


Hey, Geekness is a point of pride in my book.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 2 @ 4:17 PM ET
Hey, Geekness is a point of pride in my book.
- flyler


Kaldor
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 2 @ 4:18 PM ET
I think the Red Sonia Icon did that pretty well on it's own.
- flyler

There's a "j" in Red Sonja...

Geek fail.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 2 @ 4:19 PM ET
Consider it Done and something they would never do
- Just5

No doubt.. but I was aiming more for the idea of trying to work to both teams needs. Flyers need a puck mover, Canes need desperate help on O.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 2 @ 4:19 PM ET
Hey, Geekness is a point of pride in my book.
- flyler

You need to show a little more pride.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 2 @ 4:20 PM ET
Hey, Geekness is a point of pride in my book.
- flyler


you got one of the these?

flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

May 2 @ 4:20 PM ET
It's happened several times, the last being when the Sedins were taken (it was traded 2x that year).

Also, for that #1, say goodbye to both Schenns and Couturier, plus your next 2 seconds.

- jmatchett383


Agreed. The price for trading for the Number one spot is pretty steep. We'd be better off waiting a year or two and trading for Jones after he's had his first struggles. And even that would be ridicules.
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

May 2 @ 4:22 PM ET
There's a "j" in Red Sonja...

Geek fail.

- mayorofangrytown


Ah Nerd fights... so much time to waste...

Especially since we are all just waiting for the damn draft now...
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 2 @ 4:37 PM ET
you got one of the these?


- hammarby31


Shouldn't his number be 5?


MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 2 @ 4:38 PM ET
Shouldn't his number be 5?



- MBFlyerfan


And yes I am realizing he was leader of Rogue squadron...but Red 5 in Star Wars.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 2 @ 4:46 PM ET
Shouldn't his number be 5?



- MBFlyerfan


technically, yes, but i think they're going with the movie production date here. i can let it slide.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 2 @ 4:48 PM ET
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 2 @ 4:53 PM ET
It's happened several times, the last being when the Sedins were taken (it was traded 2x that year).

Also, for that #1, say goodbye to both Schenns and Couturier, plus your next 2 seconds.

- jmatchett383


Is it really that much iyo? I mean Schenn and Couturier are both potential 1st liners (high end), Luke schenn (With the way he's been developing recently) is a future top 2 d man, and an 11th overall is pretty huge value wise also. While Jones will undoubtedly be a franchise defenseman, don't you think that 2 1st liners, a top 2 dman, and what is sure to picked as atleast a top 4 dman or 2nd line forward, and 2 4th-3rd line players (2 3rd round picks) isn't at all excessive for an elite dman? Let me put that into modern terms. Last season (2011-2012), that would be near equivalent (value-wise) to LA trading Kopitar, Williams, Voynov, Jack Johnson, Penner, and Stoll to STL for Pietrangelo. Not even alittle excessive you think?
sarmen25
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.09.2006

May 2 @ 4:53 PM ET
Ah Nerd fights... so much time to waste...

Especially since we are all just waiting for the damn draft now...

- flyler



im sorry guys...but i find it very hard to believe that Homer is not gonna go for a big trade during the offseason...especially since he struck out last year...

somethings gotta give...and its gonna be a name that hasn't been mentioned in this blog...

plug regarding the craig button thing...ive never heard any associations with button and the flyers...so i doubt he has some 'inside sources'...
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 2 @ 4:58 PM ET
Ah Nerd fights... so much time to waste...

Especially since we are all just waiting for the damn draft now...

- flyler

It is sad really but there's no bad time for a geek fight.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 2 @ 5:01 PM ET
im sorry guys...but i find it very hard to believe that Homer is not gonna go for a big trade during the offseason...especially since he struck out last year...

somethings gotta give...and its gonna be a name that hasn't been mentioned in this blog...

plug regarding the craig button thing...ive never heard any associations with button and the flyers...so i doubt he has some 'inside sources'...

- sarmen25

If the name hasn't been mentioned in the blog or the thread then that player doesn't exist. I think all assets have been traded in here. ALL OF THEM.
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