If I remember how it works, we draft 18. Maybe Domi territory???

EDIT: We may draft as low as 21.
- lumlums

Shows us tied with the Caps, but they had a higher seed, due to being in the Southeast. If that's the case, 20, but one of four teams that advanced with less points, could bump us down to as low as 17. If Rangers beat Boston, a distinct possibility, then we could draft at 19. Maybe we could send Grabo to Columbus and trade firsts with them, since they have 3.

Dion Phaneuf is by far our best defenceman. He played the hardest minutes out of any players in this series.
- LEAFSfan28191

Also lost in the commotion: Gunnar and Phaneuf were out there for two goals against, 5-on-6.

Gardiner and Franson were out there for three goals against, including the winner, at even strength.

I'm not going to rip on Gardiner or Franson, but isn't it strange how our biases influence everything?

Why not just keep Phaneuf? He's really not the problem. It's always been 3 things:

Goaltending
Another Top 2 Defenseman
True center depth

Goaltending has finally begun to sort itself off, it is no longer a great concern. It's there, and a Veteran Back-Up might be needed but it's not a big deal. Trading Scrivins to a team that needs him is probably best. Good return, give him a chance to start.

Phaneuf on this team is Top 2, playing with guys who (outside of Gunnerson) are fringers or 5/6 guys. Look for the Leafs to go after a Top 2 RD preferably a righty. Bieksa, Michalek, and so on. Someone more defensively oriented who can play big minutes. Could you imagine this team with Bieksa on it? Brutal.

A Top Line Center and depth... it's a tough one. Kadri offensively could be a first line center. Bozak's intangible skills could continue to push him as a top guy. Grabovski, what do you do with him? And McClement seems to be a winger/center hybrid. They need another guy who can win faceoffs. Weiss, Vermette, Gaustad, Bergeron, Thorton. All of these guys win faceoffs a lot. We need another one for this team. It's that bad at times.

The team just needs to continue what they're doing. Adding pieces, collecting propsects and developing. They're getting there. Franson, Gardiner, Gunnerson and Phaneuf make up a decent D Corps. Van Reimsdyk, Kessel, Lupul are 3 elite wingers. Bozak and Kadri are great centers. McClement, Kulimen and Komarov are great checking forwards with an edginess to their game. Pieces are there, we just need 2-3 more and we'll be consistent contenders. Add one elite defenseman or centerman, we could be champions.

Terrible loss tonight, but that's more than I could ever hope for as a fan. What honestly did you expect back in January?

I think because the Canucks won the division they get screwed in the draft.
Should be first out gets 15th pick.
- Scooby_Doo

LumLums muh dude...how you been?

Besides tonights loss of course.

Also lost in the commotion: Gunnar and Phaneuf were out there for two goals against, 5-on-6.

Gardiner and Franson were out there for three goals against, including the winner, at even strength.

I'm not going to rip on Gardiner or Franson, but isn't it strange how our biases influence everything?
- Leeman4Gilmour

Franson is the best, Phaneuf is awful. He failed over and over to get the puck out.

Leafs need to buy him out.

A far greater proportion of teams made the playoffs then, as well.

Please don't compare anything today to the Ballard years. Legend has it that he used the cup banners for drop cloths when he had Maple Leaf Gardens repainted.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Harold Ballard was a goof! I met him once and he was an ignorant SOB! The only thing left over from him, is that God awful Leaf, that is on our current sweaters. Ever since he took over, after the death of Stafford Smythe, in 1970, he gave the team that stylized Leaf and they haven't made it to the finals since. Time to go back to the 67 Leaf, that is on our current 3rd Jersey. The white one, is even more impressive.

LumLums muh dude...how you been?

Besides tonights loss of course.
- RickJames77

I've been well. 10 straight rounds in the 70s.

LumLums muh dude...how you been?

Besides tonights loss of course.
- RickJames77

Glad to see you back RJ. You were missed. I can understand, due to some that just see hate in the opponents fanbase. You've been a good square contributor, all along.

All I can say, is Boston did what they had to do and we failed on our assignments in the end. Unfortunately, Toronto exacted a toll of injuries on the Bruins and it's going to be hard for them to rally against the Rangers.

Why not just keep Phaneuf? He's really not the problem. It's always been 3 things:

Goaltending
Another Top 2 Defenseman
True center depth

Goaltending has finally begun to sort itself off, it is no longer a great concern. It's there, and a Veteran Back-Up might be needed but it's not a big deal. Trading Scrivins to a team that needs him is probably best. Good return, give him a chance to start.

Phaneuf on this team is Top 2, playing with guys who (outside of Gunnerson) are fringers or 5/6 guys. Look for the Leafs to go after a Top 2 RD preferably a righty. Bieksa, Michalek, and so on. Someone more defensively oriented who can play big minutes. Could you imagine this team with Bieksa on it? Brutal.

A Top Line Center and depth... it's a tough one. Kadri offensively could be a first line center. Bozak's intangible skills could continue to push him as a top guy. Grabovski, what do you do with him? And McClement seems to be a winger/center hybrid. They need another guy who can win faceoffs. Weiss, Vermette, Gaustad, Bergeron, Thorton. All of these guys win faceoffs a lot. We need another one for this team. It's that bad at times.

The team just needs to continue what they're doing. Adding pieces, collecting propsects and developing. They're getting there. Franson, Gardiner, Gunnerson and Phaneuf make up a decent D Corps. Van Reimsdyk, Kessel, Lupul are 3 elite wingers. Bozak and Kadri are great centers. McClement, Kulimen and Komarov are great checking forwards with an edginess to their game. Pieces are there, we just need 2-3 more and we'll be consistent contenders. Add one elite defenseman or centerman, we could be champions.

Terrible loss tonight, but that's more than I could ever hope for as a fan. What honestly did you expect back in January?
- Viktory

Would love to grab Bieksa and Clarkson. MacA probably goes.

Bozak stays (we win that game with him on the ice in the final two minutes) and Grabo bought himself another year to prove himself.

I've been well. 10 straight rounds in the 70s.
- Scooby_Doo

God damnit wrong quote LMAO....good to hear though

If I remember how it works, we draft 18. Maybe Domi territory???

EDIT: We may draft as low as 21.
- lumlums

LumLums, my dude...hows it going? Leafs outplayed the Bs tough loss brotha....

Had to post this again because I quoted wrong earlier

God damnit wrong quote LMAO....good to hear though
- RickJames77

I figured as much, but I was pulling for the buds tonight.

Would love to grab Bieksa and Clarkson. MacA probably goes.

Bozak stays (we win that game with him on the ice in the final two minutes) and Grabo bought himself another year to prove himself.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I'm very iffy on Clarkson. He's rather slow, and while his offense in recent past has been great, I don't see that transitioning over to the Leafs style of game. Horton on the other hand would be a better fit.

And hey, if Vancouver decides to blow it up, definitely an opportunity to go after Bieksa.

Would love to grab Bieksa and Clarkson. MacA probably goes.

Bozak stays (we win that game with him on the ice in the final two minutes) and Grabo bought himself another year to prove himself.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I can live with Bozak, due to his faceoff prowess, but Grabo has to go. Minus 9 in the series, no offensive contribution. He's not what we require to go to the next stage. We can look at this roster and make a case for every player on the team, but we weren't good enough to get past the first round. Unfortunately, Grabo didn't contribute enough to warrant what we pay him. MacArthur played OK, but I'd rather spend the coin on a David Clarkson. We also need to move Liles and find a better defenseman that can take the pounding and make better decisions out there. Yes, I like the Bieksa idea, but what would the cost be, to get him out of Vancouver?

I can live with Bozak, due to his faceoff prowess, but Grabo has to go. Minus 9 in the series, no offensive contribution. He's not what we require to go to the next stage. We can look at this roster and make a case for every player on the team, but we weren't good enough to get past the first round. Unfortunately, Grabo didn't contribute enough to warrant what we pay him. MacArthur played OK, but I'd rather spend the coin on a David Clarkson. We also need to move Liles and find a better defenseman that can take the pounding and make better decisions out there. Yes, I like the Bieksa idea, but what would the cost be, to get him out of Vancouver?
- PrinceLH

For what it's worth, Liles and O'Byrne were our best pairing tonight.

Easier assignments and limited minutes, but finished a combined +4. No goals against.

I can live with Bozak, due to his faceoff prowess, but Grabo has to go. Minus 9 in the series, no offensive contribution. He's not what we require to go to the next stage. We can look at this roster and make a case for every player on the team, but we weren't good enough to get past the first round. Unfortunately, Grabo didn't contribute enough to warrant what we pay him. MacArthur played OK, but I'd rather spend the coin on a David Clarkson. We also need to move Liles and find a better defenseman that can take the pounding and make better decisions out there. Yes, I like the Bieksa idea, but what would the cost be, to get him out of Vancouver?
- PrinceLH

More than what a rational individual would pay.

More than what a rational individual would pay.
- Fisticus

Depends on Gillis. He might even be fired by Draft Day. If he is, you might be surprised on what could happen. I don't think you'll see him go for a first. Look at what Murray got. I'm comfortable with the idea of a couple of 2nd's. Or a combination of a defensive prospect and a 2nd.

More than what a rational individual would pay.
- Fisticus

First, Bieksa has allot of playoff experience. He's a big ticket, on a team that is about to retool. We could move a younger defenseman like a Blacker, or Percy. It would make the Canucks younger and we'd already have developed them for an NHL career. For what it's worth, the Leafs are now a team moving up in the standings, with a young roster, where Vancouver is moving down, with an older roster. A trade for a Bieksa would make sense, to get a younger defenseman, dump salary and bring the cap down.

Depends on Gillis. He might even be fired by Draft Day. If he is, you might be surprised on what could happen. I don't think you'll see him go for a first. Look at what Murray got. I'm comfortable with the idea of a couple of 2nd's. Or a combination of a defensive prospect and a 2nd.
- Viktory

That sounds like a rational trade that makes sense.

Just wanted to say I honestly feel terrible for leaf fans. By no means do I like the leafs but if it were the Oilers that were in this situation I would be suicidal. I can't even watch the replay of the game cause I realize how painful that would be. The Leafs did alot more then I thought they would in this series, hopefully you guys can take solace in that. Glad that you guys finally got to see some playoffs tho!

For what it's worth, Liles and O'Byrne were our best pairing tonight.

Easier assignments and limited minutes, but finished a combined +4. No goals against.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Very limited minutes. They we're OK, as long as you spotted them. I don't know why Carlyle kept Phaneuf and Gunnerson out there. Both had been hurt, on plays in the third period. Lucic ran over Gunnerson and Phaneuf was injured on that slapshot, to the back of his knee. Both we're having mobility issues and Phaneuf completely blew his assignment, on the tying goal. Now if we'd have had a couple of more dependable defensemen, then Liles and O''Byrne, then it wouldn't have been an issue. I would consider keeping O'Byrne, as a 6 - 7 guy, since he has size and can box players out. Fraser may be a one hit wonder too.....but I bet he'd have been out there, in the last minute, if he was available, instead of Gunnerson and Phaneuf.

That sounds like a rational trade that makes sense.
- PrinceLH

Yes of course it does to a leafs fan.

First, Bieksa has allot of playoff experience. He's a big ticket, on a team that is about to retool. We could move a younger defenseman like a Blacker, or Percy. It would make the Canucks younger and we'd already have developed them for an NHL career. For what it's worth, the Leafs are now a team moving up in the standings, with a young roster, where Vancouver is moving down, with an older roster. A trade for a Bieksa would make sense, to get a younger defenseman, dump salary and bring the cap down.
- PrinceLH

We could easily take one of Booth or Ballard. Liles you would likely find a home for, as with Grabovski, leaving the only Amnesty buyout to be Komisarek. And with talk of pursuing Clarkson (In Free Agency? The pricetag makes me cringe), I like the idea of Booth better. Perfect salary dump.

2nd
3rd
Percy
Some sort of throw in

Bieksa
Booth

It sounds like a good deal for the Canucks to save that salary situation. And I get it, Vancouver fans don't think it's fair, but realistically, Bieksa isn't an all around elite talent. And Booth has been a boon for the team as he hasn't worked out as expected. But, you get two mid round picks, get rid of 9+ million in salary and good defensive prospect and something else. Not a bad deal in the long term. Better than any Luongo trade would get.

Just wanted to say I honestly feel terrible for leaf fans. By no means do I like the leafs but if it were the Oilers that were in this situation I would be suicidal. I can't even watch the replay of the game cause I realize how painful that would be. The Leafs did alot more then I thought they would in this series, hopefully you guys can take solace in that. Glad that you guys finally got to see some playoffs tho!
- Oilfan19

I agree.....it will be a long summer, but at least we are moving in the right direction. Now it's up to Nonis, to fill those holes and make the proper roster adjustments. Two new defensemen, at least one decent centre and another grinding winger who can score some goals.

Players that need to go:

Liles
MacArthur
Grabovski

Trade bait:

Kulemin
Frattin
Percy or Blacker

I agree.....it will be a long summer, but at least we are moving in the right direction. Now it's up to Nonis, to fill those holes and make the proper roster adjustments. Two new defensemen, at least one decent centre and another grinding winger who can score some goals.

Players that need to go:

Liles
MacArthur
Grabovski

Trade bait:

Kulemin
Frattin
Percy or Blacker
- PrinceLH

Yeah, I realize its really hard right now but this game will turn out to be a good thing in the future. They will learn from this game and it should make them better.