I'd take Kevin Bieksa over Johnson everyday.
- Viktory

You sir are sickin the head

Yeah, with the Canucks, there's no "upside" there. That's a window that's closing very quickly if not closed already; the cupboards are bare too. Sad state of affairs in Vancouver.

If we were swept in 4, they'd all just say, "oh well, it was expected, there's always next year...". This is a tough, bitter pill to swallow; nobody's forgetting this, ever. They'll be telling each other, "REMEMBER GAME 7! DON'T SIT BACK BOYS!" for years to come.

Plus, the myth of the unbeatable Bruins has been shattered; I guarantee we'll never look the same against the Bruins like we have since basically the Kessel trade.

Kessel was very good in the series, Seguin and Hamilton looked like poope.
- gravyface

If we would have won it would have forever put to rest the trade, because we could always justify with the series win.

he's got another year on his contract

how would he play with out the "C"
- dmnted

Wait, I was thinking Nathan Horton on the wing (who has Thorton on the wing?)

Ohhhh, we're that team again, huh? Greaaat.
- BetterCallSaul

I'm all for trading draft picks on the condition that the players you get back aren't past their primes.

The Kessel trade didn't back fire as badly as some people thought because we still got a player with room to grow and improve.

Boyes, McCauley, and a first for Nolan was a disaster, but it would have been a steal if Nolan were 4-5 years younger.

If Erik Johnson were remotely available, that first rounder would be gone in a heart beat, and rightfully so.

I'd take Kevin Bieksa over Johnson everyday.
- Viktory

You sir are sickin the head

You are correct. I think everyone, to a 'T' said they would rather have the sweep not because of the embarrassment, but it forces change.
- Beatle_john

I wasnt suggesting embarrassment, just that its would feel better to say. "Sure we were swept but we didnt blow up like the leafs"

If the leafs 2 best players were 34 i would agree. but the leafs best players is 25, 23, 28 etc

Oh I get it you can't handle the pressure I understand
- Yeti1181

If we would have won it would have forever put to rest the trade, because we could always justify with the series win.
- MapleLeafsFTW

Who cares about justifying the trade? That's for media and fans to debate endlessly; I'm just glad Kessel actually got the monkey off his back and scored some key goals (and knocked Chara on his ass ).

Yeah, with the Canucks, there's no "upside" there. That's a window that's closing very quickly if not closed already; the cupboards are bare too. Sad state of affairs in Vancouver.

If we were swept in 4, they'd all just say, "oh well, it was expected, there's always next year...". This is a tough, bitter pill to swallow; nobody's forgetting this, ever. They'll be telling each other, "REMEMBER GAME 7! DON'T SIT BACK BOYS!" for years to come.

Plus, the myth of the unbeatable Bruins has been shattered; I guarantee we'll never look the same against the Bruins like we have since basically the Kessel trade.

Kessel was very good in the series, Seguin and Hamilton looked like poope.
- gravyface

For years, the Canucks played all of their players as assets to be traded of moved but never lost for nothing in return. Then when they did that with Erhoff (and Naslund And even Jovo before him) it tipped the balance away from getting a good return and relying on free agency... which has been a crap shoot, mostly poor.

Yes, their window closes last year. No one wanted to admit it but trades for Kassian and Booth really solidified it,.

If we would have won it would have forever put to rest the trade, because we could always justify with the series win.
- MapleLeafsFTW

Does no one else look at the trades between the two teams as Kessel, Colborne, Biggs & Liles for Seguin, Knight, Hamilton & Kaberle?

I wasnt suggesting embarrassment, just that its would feel better to say. "Sure we were swept but we didnt blow up like the leafs"

If the leafs 2 best players were 34 i would agree. but the leafs best players is 25, 23, 28 etc
- senstroll

Lupuls 29

If we would have won it would have forever put to rest the trade, because we could always justify with the series win.
- MapleLeafsFTW

I think we can justify it by comparing Seguin to Kessel. Seguin's got a loooong way to go yet.

How many of Kessel's points were scored with Chara on the ice at even strength? That match-up has lost all of its intimidation factor.

Wait, I was thinking Nathan Horton on the wing (who has Thorton on the wing?)
- gravyface

it was a stutter

Does no one else look at the trades between the two teams as Raycroft, Kessel, Colborne, Biggs & Liles for Rask, Seguin, Knight, Hamilton & Kaberle?
- BetterCallSaul

fixed

You sir are sickin the head
- Yeti1181

Eric Johnson is the Dion Phaneuf of Colorado. He is at best an above average defender with a 6 million dollar contract.

Stanstny and Johnson won't happen, it'll end up costing the Toronto Maple Leafs a fortune in draft picks and cap space.

Lupuls 29
- MapleLeafsFTW

umm oh yes... I didnt mean Phaneuf I swear

For years, the Canucks played all of their players as assets to be traded of moved but never lost for nothing in return. Then when they did that with Erhoff (and Naslund And even Jovo before him) it tipped the balance away from getting a good return and relying on free agency... which has been a crap shoot, mostly poor.

Yes, their window closes last year. No one wanted to admit it but trades for Kassian and Booth really solidified it,.
- Beatle_john

Honest question: would the Canucks give up an asset like Bieksa to move a bad contract like Booth?

You sir are sickin the head
- Yeti1181

(frank) BIEKSA, NEEDS MORE LUUU

Honest question: would the Canucks give up an asset like Bieksa to move a bad contract like Booth?
- Leeman4Gilmour

If you give them a good return and use the salary dump as a way to avoid giving up a first, it could be done.

fixed
- Feeling Glucky?

Boston's definitely gotten the best out of us over the years via trades, but yeah, Rask and Raycroft in my mind is lights-out the worst of the exchanges. Kessel is still a very good player; I'm happy we have him. Put it this way, if we had Seguin and Hamilton on our roster instead of Kessel, nobody would be calling us a cup contender.

Honest question: would the Canucks give up an asset like Bieksa to move a bad contract like Booth?
- Leeman4Gilmour

I asked before if they would give up Kesler or Edler for a reduced price if we took Luongo and used one of our compliance buy-outs on him.

Honest question: would the Canucks give up an asset like Bieksa to move a bad contract like Booth?
- Leeman4Gilmour

I'm gonna tell you right now, there's no way in hell that the Flyers don't seriously upgrade that porous d-line...

Eric Johnson is the Dion Phaneuf of Colorado. He is at best an above average defender with a 6 million dollar contract.

Stanstny and Johnson won't happen, it'll end up costing the Toronto Maple Leafs a fortune in draft picks and cap space.
- Viktory

It was directed at the takin kevin bigbagofpoopeksa

Eric Johnson is the Dion Phaneuf of Colorado. He is at best an above average defender with a 6 million dollar contract.

Stanstny and Johnson won't happen, it'll end up costing the Toronto Maple Leafs a fortune in draft picks and cap space.
- Viktory

They both have suffered from being #1 defensemen with no #2 that can log the same minutes.

Pair them together (a left and right shot) and it would be the best pairing in Toronto since Kaberle and McCabe were good.

Was that a decade ago already? Wow.

dp