Actually, the big need for Vancouver is a physical winger. Simmonds would be a perfect fit for them and give them some cap savings in a deal that sends Edler out.
- Jsaquella

Cant see it happening though. We would be tiny on the wing and holmer has stated he wants to get bigger. I know edler might change the equation but it opens up another hole. Clarkson is out of the question I think to much $.


Gus recent play has me thinking bigger minutes like 20-23 range for him consistently next year

Actually, the big need for Vancouver is a physical winger. Simmonds would be a perfect fit for them and give them some cap savings in a deal that sends Edler out.
- Jsaquella

Is that who you'd part with. I can't imagine they'd want read without another significant piece

Is that who you'd part with. I can't imagine they'd want read without another significant piece
- Just5

I'd say value-wise Read is equal to or greater than Simmonds, but I see your point that he would fit with them better. The idea of trading our youth core away for mid-aged player makes me cringe, though. I hope it could be done with Read, Cousins, and a 2nd rounder.

Cant see it happening though. We would be tiny on the wing and holmer has stated he wants to get bigger. I know edler might change the equation but it opens up another hole. Clarkson is out of the question I think to much $.


Gus recent play has me thinking bigger minutes like 20-23 range for him consistently next year
- Just5

Gustafsson has missed time with injuries in each of the last three years, plus, they're going to need a Timonen replacement by next year.

Simmonds is physical and strong, but he's not big. Also, it's trading from a position of depth to address a position of need. The Canucks don't need Matt Read. They have 3 of him.

As for size, among the potential UFAs will be Clarkson, Clowe, Horton & Zubrus...Clarkson is not the lone option.

I'd say value-wise Read is equal to or greater than Simmonds, but I see your point that he would fit with them better. The idea of trading our youth core away for mid-aged player makes me cringe, though. I hope it could be done with Read, Cousins, and a 2nd rounder.
- JAKEw1234

The Canucks don't need smaller, speedy forwards. They need guys who have grit in their games. Read isn't filling a need for them, despite being a very solid player.

Gustafsson has missed time with injuries in each of the last three years, plus, they're going to need a Timonen replacement by next year.

Simmonds is physical and strong, but he's not big. Also, it's trading from a position of depth to address a position of need. The Canucks don't need Matt Read. They have 3 of him.

As for size, among the potential UFAs will be Clarkson, Clowe, Horton & Zubrus...Clarkson is not the lone option.
- Jsaquella

McGinn is a winger who is better served to be a top 6 winger. He really isn't an energy guy and probably not a fit for a checking line. He's a big bodied winger who does the dirty work along the boards and can stand in front of the net, like Simmonds.

elder isnt going anywhere, imo

The Canucks don't need smaller, speedy forwards. They need guys who have grit in their games. Read isn't filling a need for them, despite being a very solid player.
- Jsaquella

Maybe Simmonds is the best option

elder isnt going anywhere, imo
- Crimsoninja

What makes you say that?

elder isnt going anywhere, imo
- Crimsoninja

Halifax struggling tonight.

What makes you say that?
- JAKEw1234

mostly because they let erhoff walk in order to keep edler

at least that's how I read it

Halifax struggling tonight.
- ob18

the blades will crumble in the third

mostly because they let erhoff walk in order to keep edler

at least that's how I read it
- Crimsoninja

I believe Edler could be obtained mainly because 3 of their other top d-men have NTC clauses (Hamhius, Garrison, and Bieksa). The GM came out after the season basically saying the team needs to be retooled. Edler's NTC doesn't take effect until July 1st.

mostly because they let erhoff walk in order to keep edler

at least that's how I read it
- Crimsoninja

Meh, their defense is still strong without Edler, and besides, the team has reached a point where it's about time to rebuild and try again. Their key players have all reached that age where they still have good value, but won't for that many more seasons. Imagine the youth core they could build by trading the Sedins, Kesler, Edler, Hamhuis, Burrows, Hansen, Garrison, Bieksa, Lu, and Schneider. It would be real, REAL good, and I would strongly suggest that they go in that direction.

I believe Edler could be obtained mainly because 3 of their other top d-men have NTC clauses (Hamhius, Garrison, and Bieksa). The GM came out after the season basically saying the team needs to be retooled. Edler's NTC doesn't take effect until July 1st.
- ravishingone

i just dont see it happening.. and having Garrison basically be their main offensive d-man

i just dont see it happening.. and having Garrison basically be their main offensive d-man
- Crimsoninja

For some reason, they seemed to use Hamhius on the point on the PP from the few games I saw this season. I'm not sure why they would be shopping either, but sometimes teams just sour on a guy for whatever reason. I think if he gets dealt, it will right around the draft. As long as the Flyers don't trade G, Voracek, Coots, or the first round pick for him, I'm all for acquiring Edler.

McGinn is a winger who is better served to be a top 6 winger. He really isn't an energy guy and probably not a fit for a checking line. He's a big bodied winger who does the dirty work along the boards and can stand in front of the net, like Simmonds.
- ravishingone

Possible, just not sure he's as talented as Simmonds.

elder isnt going anywhere, imo
- Crimsoninja

He might not be. Of all their defensemen, he's at the top of the list of guys I'd keep.

For some reason, they seemed to use Hamhius on the point on the PP from the few games I saw this season. I'm not sure why they would be shopping either, but sometimes teams just sour on a guy for whatever reason. I think if he gets dealt, it will right around the draft. As long as the Flyers don't trade G, Voracek, Coots, or the first round pick for him, I'm all for acquiring Edler.
- ravishingone

yeah me too

the blades will crumble in the third
- Crimsoninja

I'm waiting for it to happen, if Halifax can get time & space anyway.

Possible, just not sure he's as talented as Simmonds.
- Jsaquella

Certainly up to this point, I can't say he will be as effective as Simmonds. However, I believe McGinn has some of the traits as Simmonds. Like most others, I like Simmonds, but if he needs to be traded for Edler so be it.

McGinn is a winger who is better served to be a top 6 winger. He really isn't an energy guy and probably not a fit for a checking line. He's a big bodied winger who does the dirty work along the boards and can stand in front of the net, like Simmonds.
- ravishingone

I agree. His game lends itself to being a top 6 player. Except the kings can stick big bodies anywhere in their lineup and it works fine. That sutter is a damn good coach

Certainly up to this point, I can't say he will be as effective as Simmonds. However, I believe McGinn has some of the traits as Simmonds. Like most others, I like Simmonds, but if he needs to be traded for Edler so be it.
- ravishingone

I'd certainly be very open to giving McGinn a shot to make the team.

I agree with your stance exactly. Not looking to trade Simmonds as much as I'd be looking to land Edler. If I could get Edler for Hartnell, I'd much prefer that than Simmonds.

elder isnt going anywhere, imo
- Crimsoninja

is he agoraphobic?

I'd certainly be very open to giving McGinn a shot to make the team.

I agree with your stance exactly. Not looking to trade Simmonds as much as I'd be looking to land Edler. If I could get Edler for Hartnell, I'd much prefer that than Simmonds.
- Jsaquella

From Vancouver's perspective, it certainly makes sense to have interest in a gritty, go to the net winger like a Simmonds or Hartnell to skate with the Sedins. I'm not a Canucks fan, but outside of Kesler not exactly a bunch of gritty forwards in the top 6.

I think the only reason Edler would be available is because of his lack of a NTC until July 1st. To include another d-man with a high salary cap, may get scuttled by the player. Also, Edler may represent the finesse player that Nonis is trying to limit on his roster.