Interesting,
the NHL rulebook says that the goal was called back because Shaw took away Howard's ability to come out and face the shot by standing the crease -- if he were to make an attempt to remove himself from the crease (despite contact or not) that goal most likely would have counted.

as per the boys on TSN Tonight, but they did have the rulebook in hand.

Shaw had some big hits....bicks was engaged butit was late in the game,they have to come out of the gates on fire detroit will not give them anything easy this is what worries me about this team ,at times you have to take it from the other team take there will, hit grind push back Shaw does it bicks at times Seabs at times but some one needs to take abdelkater or cleary and just whoop there a s s

Uh. No it isn't he hadn't frozen or held the puck on the net. Howard barely put a stick on it and didn't get a whistle nor should he.

Shaw was called for phantom goalie interference.

You're the one who was trying to sell that puck luck garbage after the first game.

Tonight was a close game; we lost end of story.

I and the Hawks are moving on to game 4 and hoping for a better outcome.
- HawkintheD

Good luck with that.

Wings in 5...next two won't even be close.

Uh. No it isn't he hadn't frozen or held the puck on the net. Howard barely put a stick on it and didn't get a whistle nor should he.

Shaw was called for phantom goalie interference.

You're the one who was trying to sell that puck luck garbage after the first game.

Tonight was a close game; we lost end of story.

I and the Hawks are moving on to game 4 and hoping for a better outcome.
- HawkintheD

Puck Luck totaly exists - and we had it tonight.

(edit - oh and my point is that both incidents are too subjective and in all games, there was opportunities to take over with momentum, and failures on both sides).

Good luck with that.

Wings in 5...next two won't even be close.
- Ogilthorpe2

Man, you best steer clear of bridges the next couple of days.

how can you have stock in someone that mispronounces his own last name. Its almost as bad as some of the cities/towns here in utah like Tooele (too-el-a) Hurricane (her-i-ken)

You guys have to remember that the Hawks have the Presidents Trophy which is a curse in its self. since 85-86 only 7 teams that have won the trophy have won the cup.

not trying to give you guys crap.....good luck in game 4
- TheCleaner

I think our curse is more of a disdain for physical play.

Good luck with that.

Wings in 5...next two won't even be close.
- Ogilthorpe2

Ogi, you sound like Ditka after that Vikings game years ago!!

Ogi, you sound like Ditka after that Vikings game years ago!!
- moots

Just being a realist. I've seen this movie before, it doesn't end well.

I wish I understood what you were talking about, but as usual, you are on an island with ur thoughts.
Pls go to ur CC fan club page, i get it will be a bit lonely, but hang in there, ur really cool in ur own delusional world.
- dpard

Look, CC is our starter, and not because he or anyone else claimed him to be an "elite" goalie. Anti Niemi is an elite goalie. In the 2010 playoffs, we don't win the cup without him. He was a freaking acrobat, and admittedly, if Crawford were in goal, no cup.

Now fast forward to post season 2010. The Hawks front office has some serious salary cap decisions to make. Are those decisions made in a vacuum? HELL NO! Do you seriously believe that Q wasn't consulted on the need to resign Niemi? Do you seriously believe he didn't assure the FO that Crawford was all that was needed, that they only needed a guy to stop 20 routine shots a game behind his "superior" defense? So, they let Niemi go, and Crawford is "the guy."

Only, he's not the guy. Q screws with his head and pulls him after giving up 3 goals off 25 shots. CC sits there watching Turco take his job away while sucking profusely. It took Turco giving up 5, 6 and once even SEVEN goals before he got pulled for Crawford. What does THAT say to a young goalie about his coach's confidence in him?

His team never seems to back him up. Mr. Norris trophy takes his 6 mil and then decides to start sucking. Emery's in, he gets 20 easy shots a game against poor teams. Crawford gets the tough games, and gets no offensive support and weaker defensive support than Emery seems to get.

To put it in a nutshell, they give him the starting job because they didn't want to pay an elite goalie, then they throw him under the bus.

Everyone attacking the poor guy for not being something NOBODY ever claimed he was should be screaming for heads to roll behind the bench and in the front office. Not for the poor guy doing the best he can.

My $.02.

wow...and it was less than a week ago...this blog was dripping red and salivating to get the wings.....fascinating

well hawkdom this gme was of the kick in the gut variety but with what they accomplished this year this team has all the ability, will and talent to come back from this 2-1 hole; besides this is the nhl playoffs; anything can and does happen

Howard was 4-17 coming into these playoffs vs the hwks, hawks had not lost in detroit in reg in over 2 years; tough time for reversion to the means to occur

1. a medioicre leaf team almost came back vs the bruins to take the series; a cataclysmic last 1:22 blew that out of the water.

2. wings were 2-1 vs ducks and took it took 7 to win

3. kings down 2-0 and 2-1 beat the blues in 6

4. oh and the cup year down 2-1 vs the preds in the first round but came back to win in 6, and who can forget that gme 5

and hawks have not lost 3 in a row all year...yikes!!!

Puck Luck totaly exists - and we had it tonight.
- BooBoo997

Yes you did. Puck Luck was not something that had an effect on game 1 or game 2 for that matter.

See my earlier post about where I thought it aplied to a regular season game last year between the Hawks and Wings.

You were trying to peddle it the other night after game 1 and I still don't think it had anything to do with the game or outcome. That's all.

Good luck in game 4.

May the Puck Luck/Force be with us.

I think our curse is more of a disdain for physical play.
- HawkintheD

This

wow...and it was less than a week ago...this blog was dripping red and salivating to get the wings.....fascinating

well hawkdom this gme was of the kick in the gut variety but with what they accomplished this year this team has all the ability, will and talent to come back from this 2-1 hole; besides this is the nhl playoffs; anything can and does happen

Howard was 4-17 coming into these playoffs vs the hwks, hawks had not lost in detroit in reg in over 2 years; tough time for reversion to the means to occur

1. a medioicre leaf team almost came back vs the bruins to take the series; a cataclysmic last 1:22 blew that out of the water.

2. wings were 2-1 vs ducks and took it took 7 to win

3. kings down 2-0 and 2-1 beat the blues in 6

4. oh and the cup year down 2-1 vs the preds in the first round but came back to win in 6, and who can forget that gme 5

and hawks have not lost 3 in a row all year...yikes!!!
- bogiedoc

why they play the games I guess.

wow...and it was less than a week ago...this blog was dripping red and salivating to get the wings.....fascinating

well hawkdom this gme was of the kick in the gut variety but with what they accomplished this year this team has all the ability, will and talent to come back from this 2-1 hole; besides this is the nhl playoffs; anything can and does happen

Howard was 4-17 coming into these playoffs vs the hwks, hawks had not lost in detroit in reg in over 2 years; tough time for reversion to the means to occur

1. a medioicre leaf team almost came back vs the bruins to take the series; a cataclysmic last 1:22 blew that out of the water.

2. wings were 2-1 vs ducks and took it took 7 to win

3. kings down 2-0 and 2-1 beat the blues in 6

4. oh and the cup year down 2-1 vs the preds in the first round but came back to win in 6, and who can forget that gme 5

and hawks have not lost 3 in a row all year...yikes!!!
- bogiedoc

Brace yourself.

Good luck with that.

Wings in 5...next two won't even be close.
- Ogilthorpe2

It is all on the core now. See what they are made of. If they did beg stan for another crack at a Cup this could be it. If they lose game 4 it probably ends in 5. Beating wings 3 out of 4 times will be tough. Hawks finally look pissed off though. That is only thing they lack. Let's see if it matters

It is all on the core now. See what they are made of. If they did beg stan for another crack at a Cup this could be it. If they lose game 4 it probably ends in 5. Beating wings 3 out of 4 times will be tough. Hawks finally look pissed off though. That is only thing they lack. Let's see if it matters
- tomcat24[/quote]

Hope so too and that it doesn't translate into a lot of stupid penalties.

Look, CC is our starter, and not because he or anyone else claimed him to be an "elite" goalie. Anti Niemi is an elite goalie. In the 2010 playoffs, we don't win the cup without him. He was a freaking acrobat, and admittedly, if Crawford were in goal, no cup.

Now fast forward to post season 2010. The Hawks front office has some serious salary cap decisions to make. Are those decisions made in a vacuum? HELL NO! Do you seriously believe that Q wasn't consulted on the need to resign Niemi? Do you seriously believe he didn't assure the FO that Crawford was all that was needed, that they only needed a guy to stop 20 routine shots a game behind his "superior" defense? So, they let Niemi go, and Crawford is "the guy."

Only, he's not the guy. Q screws with his head and pulls him after giving up 3 goals off 25 shots. CC sits there watching Turco take his job away while sucking profusely. It took Turco giving up 5, 6 and once even SEVEN goals before he got pulled for Crawford. What does THAT say to a young goalie about his coach's confidence in him?

His team never seems to back him up. Emery's in, he gets 20 easy shots a game against poor teams. Crawford gets the tough games, and gets no offensive support and weaker defensive support than Emery seems to get.

To put it in a nutshell, they give him the starting job because they didn't want to pay an elite goalie, then they throw him under the bus.

Everyone attacking the poor guy for not being something NOBODY ever claimed he was should be screaming for heads to roll behind the bench and in the front office. Not for the poor guy doing the best he can.

My $.02.
- Q...argh

What planet do you live on and how are you able to communicate so clearly with us earthlings?

I'm gonna sit back & see how it unfolds, whoever made the comment on wings vs.hawks priorities on vs.off ice?? SPOT ON!! very good! I have a funny feeling I'll be posting a couple of "I told ya so's", namely , Q being allowed to hire SH it assistant coaches for starters!!! let's hope we knot it up thurs.!

Yes you did. Puck Luck was not something that had an effect on game 1 or game 2 for that matter.

See my earlier post about where I thought it aplied to a regular season game last year between the Hawks and Wings.

You were trying to peddle it the other night after game 1 and I still don't think it had anything to do with the game or outcome. That's all.

Good luck in game 4.

May the Puck Luck/Force be with us.
- HawkintheD

I wasnt peddling it, and I never said that it did have the an outcome on the game - that was Hawk fans putting words in my mouth. go back and read my posts if you need too, but it wasn't what I said as much as Hawk fans "thinking' it's what I said. As much as I tried to explain myself, more Hawks fans put more words in my mouth -- hence why I had to talk talked about the two and only two incidents (the puck on the back of the net and the Brunner post to Seabrook knocking it out of mid-air). -- In fairness though, the goals from that made the game 3-1 for Chicago and negated a 3-2 Hawk lead with about 1minute left... but that game 1 was over long before both incidents.

there I feel better and yes good luck, Wings will need it, im sure the Hawks will be prepared -- I think the Wings will be better too though.

I have no desire to get involved with the main discussion going on in this thread, but I did want to clarify something for those claiming Franzen was offsides:

Per the NHL rulebook:

... However, a player actually controlling the puck who shall cross the line ahead of the puck shall not be considered “off-side,” provided he had possession and control of the puck prior to his skates crossing the blue line.

As the puck carrier Franzen cannot put himself offside provided he has possession of the puck before gaining the zone, which he does. That is a completely legal play.

It is all on the core now. See what they are made of. If they did beg stan for another crack at a Cup this could be it. If they lose game 4 it probably ends in 5. Beating wings 3 out of 4 times will be tough. Hawks finally look pissed off though. That is only thing they lack. Let's see if it matters
- tomcat24

A.) Marshmallow.

Yes you did. Puck Luck was not something that had an effect on game 1 or game 2 for that matter.

See my earlier post about where I thought it aplied to a regular season game last year between the Hawks and Wings.

You were trying to peddle it the other night after game 1 and I still don't think it had anything to do with the game or outcome. That's all.

Good luck in game 4.

May the Puck Luck/Force be with us.
- HawkintheD

Whats up yoda?

Too much doom and gloom from some of these Hawk fans. Heck it's only 2-1. This series is far from over.

Wings team defense is doing exactly what it needs so far to stay in this series. They're taking away time and space from the hawks and clogging up the neutral zone. Hawks are getting frustrated. People forget the Wing's defense kept getting better as the regular season ended. Only allowed 2 goals or less in 13 of the last 18 games of the regular season. Not bad considering they had to rebuild it on the fly this season.

Zetterberg and Datsyuk were stellar at faceoffs tonight (Datsyuk at 60% at the end of the game). Toews is getting beat in the faceoff circle. His winning % is much lower against the Wings than against Minnesota. Getting Miller back has been huge. He had one heck of a game... blocking shots, killing penalties, scored a HUGE goal. Welcome back Miller !

Wings owe this win to Howard. He stood on his head most of the game and made some HUGE clutch saves... especially on that breakaway against Sharp. Wings NEED to find a way to score on the PP.

I do have to admit it's kind of funny how 90% of all the hawk fans wanted Detroit badly in the second round.

Uh. No it isn't he hadn't frozen or held the puck on the net. Howard barely put a stick on it and didn't get a whistle nor should he.

Shaw was called for phantom goalie interference.

You're the one who was trying to sell that puck luck garbage after the first game.

Tonight was a close game; we lost end of story.

I and the Hawks are moving on to game 4 and hoping for a better outcome.
- HawkintheD

The worst call was the Franzen offsides, no question about it, no subjectivity, just missed a blatant violation, no excuse

Look, CC is our starter, and not because he or anyone else claimed him to be an "elite" goalie. Anti Niemi is an elite goalie. In the 2010 playoffs, we don't win the cup without him. He was a freaking acrobat, and admittedly, if Crawford were in goal, no cup.

No fast forward to post season 2010. The Hawks front office has some serious salary cap decisions to make. Are those decisions made in a vacuum? HELL NO! Do you seriously believe that Q wasn't consulted on the need to resign Niemi? Do you seriously believe he didn't assure the FO that Crawford was all that was needed, that they only needed a guy to stop 20 routine shots a game behind his "superior" defense? So, they let Niemi go, and Crawford is "the guy."

Only, he's not the guy. Q screws with his head and pulls him after giving up 3 goals off 25 shots. CC sits there watching Turco take his job away while sucking profusely. It took Turco giving up 5, 6 and once even SEVEN goals before he got pulled for Crawford. What does THAT say to a young goalie about his coach's confidence in him?

His team never seems to back him up. Emery's in, he gets 20 easy shots a game against poor teams. Crawford gets the tough games, and gets no offensive support and weaker defensive support than Emery seems to get.

To put it in a nutshell, they give him the starting job because they didn't want to pay an elite goalie, then they throw him under the bus.

Everyone attacking the poor guy for being something NOBODY ever claimed he was should be screaming for heads to roll behind the bench and in the front office. Not for the poor guy doing the best he can.

My $.02.
- Q...argh

Niemi had a good playoff in 2010; he had plenty of bad moments but had grt bounceback gmes. Other than the Shark series, his stats during that run were nothing special. hawks were down 2-1 to the preds in the first round, and got blown off the ice in gme 1 vs nucks in round 2 (5-1); he was nothing special in the finals v the flyers; his playoff was 2.6 GA and a .910 SV%...he was not an elite goalie during that series....the team in front of him was loaded and yes they could have won the cup with out him; but why even bother speculating about it