Every team runs hot and cold. Chicago won the Presidents Cup this year. Season before they were a 6th seed. The Pens are a Cup favorite right now. Last Season they got knocked out in the first round. It's a fine line in this League.
- MJL

So bumhole it is. Really cant just ignore the posts hey? Get a life son. Little Richard syndrome.

So thoughts on Patrick Roy back in the big leagues? I hated him with the habs but he grew on me with the avs. (I think I just made a haiku )

We're definitely going around in circles with your repeated mentioning of Carter as an example of how the Flyers have failed. Apparently ignoring how great of a move it was.
- MJL

Yup, I can't wait to trade Voracek and Cousins and Coots back to CBJ... that was the real meat and potatoes of the point I was making... way to go.... gold star for you.

We're definitely going around in circles with your repeated mentioning of Carter as an example of how the Flyers have failed. Apparently ignoring how great of a move it was.
- MJL

i dont see how carter is a failure at all. take away all names and expectations. the flyers traded what was at the time viewed as a valuable asset, for multiple, younger, valuable assets. especially in a cap league, those young guys and their contracts are absolutely integral to team success

Every team runs hot and cold. Chicago won the Presidents Cup this year. Season before they were a 6th seed. The Pens are a Cup favorite right now. Last Season they got knocked out in the first round. It's a fine line in this League.
- MJL

ah that series last year still stings. i still think if they dont play in the first round, that couldve been a magical year. the flyers literally burt hooten'ed them that series.

So thoughts on Patrick Roy back in the big leagues? I hated him with the habs but he grew on me with the avs. (I think I just made a haiku )
- JoeRussomanno

I may be laught, but several are reporting that Roy has mentioned to Sakic that they should be open to dealing the #1 overall.

What do we have to throw in with the #11 to get it?

I may be laught, but several are reporting that Roy has mentioned to Sakic that they should be open to dealing the #1 overall.

What do we have to throw in with the #11 to get it?
- Rocktane

Enough to make me say no thanks.

Enough to make me say no thanks.
- GirouxForTheShow

really? i wouldve thought you guys would pay a pretty penny for Jones

Yup, I can't wait to trade Voracek and Cousins and Coots back to CBJ... that was the real meat and potatoes of the point I was making... way to go.... gold star for you.


- Tomahawk

The good news is we could double their value like we doubled richies and carts Who needs a solid top 6 when we can get a solid top 12
Then we can trade them and have a really solid top 24. Just imagine the possibilities when we finally have the best top 48 in the league.

really? i wouldve thought you guys would pay a pretty penny for Jones
- stayinthefnnet

Sure Id trade a pretty penny, but only a shiny 2013 one. Point being the first thing they'd ask for is Couts and I doubt they budge off that. Couts is a deal breaker for me.

Yup, I can't wait to trade Voracek and Cousins and Coots back to CBJ... that was the real meat and potatoes of the point I was making... way to go.... gold star for you.


- Tomahawk

You missed the point. You've repeatedly mentioned Carter as one of the moves they've made to illustrate where they didn't exercise patience. Ignoring the fact that it was a great trade. Along with a whole host of factors in why moves were made. You're just generalizing a bunch of players without looking at the whole picture. In some ways, you have somewhat of a point. But it's overblown. Just like the issue with the defense is overblown.

Here's a perfect example. LA won the Cup last Season. Take the top 12 forwards in icetime for the Kings in the playoffs last Season. How many were drafted and developed by the Kings?

Let's break down the Bruins roster the Season before. More then one way to skin a cat.

I may be laught, but several are reporting that Roy has mentioned to Sakic that they should be open to dealing the #1 overall.

What do we have to throw in with the #11 to get it?
- Rocktane

I think I'll pass too. The flyers need help on the blue line now not in 4 years. They'd have to give up too much most likely to get that pick.

really? i wouldve thought you guys would pay a pretty penny for Jones
- stayinthefnnet

Dont listen to him, he is busy "slapping boobies".

What the hell would make you trust a guy that isn't an ass man.

Sure Id trade a pretty penny, but only a shiny 2013 one. Point being the first thing they'd ask for is Couts and I doubt they budge off that. Couts is a deal breaker for me.
- GirouxForTheShow

yeah true. if jones is as good as they say he is, he could be a prime stud in say 3 years time. thats the beauty of such a young core though. the window will only even be reaching new heights then for guys like giroux, voracek, simmonds, and schenn

really? i wouldve thought you guys would pay a pretty penny for Jones
- stayinthefnnet

He's projected to be a good player not guaranteed. I don't put much stock in the draft other than teams need to be frugal and make educated selections. Getting all doe eyed at pick thinking its a guaranteed parade isn't my cup of tea. A lot has to happen after that draft selection.

yeah true. if jones is as good as they say he is, he could be a prime stud in say 3 years time. thats the beauty of such a young core though. the window will only even be reaching new heights then for guys like giroux, voracek, simmonds, and schenn
- stayinthefnnet

I'm a little more with you here. While I would like them to explore options at improving the back end. I dont really want to do it at the cost of that young core.

If it costs them Hartnell so be it, but I dont see them being as close as some others. Building properly through the draft will be what really pushes them over the top imo. Having the patience to wait a few years. I'd be really cool with a stopgap like Streit, and letting the team grow on its own.

For the #1 pick though... Thats tempting.

I think I'll pass too. The flyers need help on the blue line now not in 4 years. They'd have to give up too much most likely to get that pick.
- JoeRussomanno

Agreed. I'd rather the Flyers keep what they would have to add to the #11 to move up. And then use the #11 to either draft a player, or in a trade to acquire an established defenseman. I think the cost to move up to #1 would be huge. Too huge.

yeah true. if jones is as good as they say he is, he could be a prime stud in say 3 years time. thats the beauty of such a young core though. the window will only even be reaching new heights then for guys like giroux, voracek, simmonds, and schenn
- stayinthefnnet

Braydon Coburn was supposed to be the next Chris pronger. It's not an exact science. IMO I'd use that first round pick to get a proven player that's available via trade now considering the shallow ufa market and team needs.

Sure Id trade a pretty penny, but only a shiny 2013 one. Point being the first thing they'd ask for is Couts and I doubt they budge off that. Couts is a deal breaker for me.
- GirouxForTheShow

If we hadnt won out trading up for Jones may have been a real possibility. But with the 11th pick... yeah, it's going to cost Coots and probably even more on top of that too.

Keep calm and hope for Pulock.

Besides the Avs and Oilers does anyone see any other teams leaning towards D going ahead of us? Dallas? The Canes?

Agreed. I'd rather the Flyers keep what they would have to add to the #11 to move up. And then use the #11 to either draft a player, or in a trade to acquire an established defenseman. I think the cost to move up to #1 would be huge. Too huge.
- MJL

It'll set them back a year for sure. Unless Colorado is sending bodies back but I'm sure there's teams out there willing to bite the bullet, which I don't think the flyers are.

Dont listen to him, he is busy "slapping boobies".

What the hell would make you trust a guy that isn't an ass man.
- flyer_nutter

Boobies rhymed with doobies.

I'm a little more with you here. While I would like them to explore options at improving the back end. I dont really want to do it at the cost of that young core.

If it costs them Hartnell so be it, but I dont see them being as close as some others. Building properly through the draft will be what really pushes them over the top imo. Having the patience to wait a few years. I'd be really cool with a stopgap like Streit, and letting the team grow on its own.

For the #1 pick though... Thats tempting.
- flyer_nutter

yeah. but its not as though they are breaking up the young core for an aging vet that wont be around once the rest mature. it would be for another young guy. and i realize the draft is a crapshoot, but this is about as sure as people are ever going to be on a defender. to me, unless it TOTALLY dismantles the team, this would still be building properly through the draft. and it seems to be about the only way to get a top flight d man these days

You've repeatedly mentioned Carter as one of the moves they've made to illustrate where they didn't exercise patience. Ignoring the fact that it was a great trade.
- MJL

Put on your glasses:

"Like I mentioned before, it's a great trade on paper, but it just pushed the window farther into the future. The young cores are never given enough time together for all the experiences, hard lessons, failures and mistakes to amount to anything. The constant turnover always guarantees that lessons will have to be relearned, failures and mistakes will have to be repeated, playoff experiences from the past are lost... instead of a progression, it's a hamster wheel."

-Tomahawk

In some ways, you have somewhat of a point.
- MJL

I think you just conceded that somebody else had a valid point... is this some sort of watershed moment we we're witnessing from you?

Here's a perfect example. LA won the Cup last Season. Take the top 12 forwards in icetime for the Kings in the playoffs last Season. How many were drafted and developed by the Kings?

Let's break down the Bruins roster the Season before. More then one way to skin a cat.
- MJL

Somebody already did that.

Let's break down the Bruins roster the Season before. More then one way to skin a cat.
- MJL

Please, continue..

Agreed. I'd rather the Flyers keep what they would have to add to the #11 to move up. And then use the #11 to either draft a player, or in a trade to acquire an established defenseman. I think the cost to move up to #1 would be huge. Too huge.
- MJL

i definitely think there is merit to either approach. it all revolves around the cost, which im sure as you say, will be astronomical.