i really think edler is one of the most talented, rounded defenseman that can ever expect to realistically be traded. id pass on hartnell as vancouver. the back problems being that serious are new to me, and if thats the case, then i can definitely see balking. however, if its a nonissue, as much as losing simmonds hurts i think you do it without question
- stayinthefnnet

I would probably send Simmer as well, but why do you pass on Hartnell as Vancouver? If you're trying to get bigger and tougher, why do you pass on one of the best power forwards in the league? Since he's coming off of a down year due to injury, maybe they think that they're getting him for a down price. My only issue is his NTC. It makes things tricky.

EDIT: Let me rephrase. He's on of the best power forwards because of obviously his grit, but also because of his point production. Also, the leadership and personality he brings to a team makes him more valuable.

It could be a bit of an overstatement, but it doesn't negate the fact that Couturier shows the potential to become a tier 1 two-way forward. His defensive game has the potential to be that of Johnny Toews or maybe just a level below. I know you might think that my orange-glasses are just a bit foggy again, but then I may point out that in trying to not be Flyers biased you may yourself actually be undervaluing him. Why else do fans of other teams dream of making trades for Coots? Why else could it be that when we try to make a trade, a teams first want from us is Coots?
- JAKEw1234

I think Coots still has a high perceived value, due to his being a #8 overall and pedigree, his young age and his much ballyhooed efforts against Malkin...but when it comes to his actual play I was much more impressed with him last season and saw noticeable declines in a few areas of his game for most of this season...I'm trying not to hold that against him too much, due to the crapshow the season was for lots of players, but if I were to try and guess his ceiling, based on his games thus far, I'd say maybe 55-60 ish pts, and solid, occasionally great D. This may change but that's where I see him...some may value him significantly higher, projecting him to be a Selke level player. Long way to go on that.

Love the ref diving out of the play to get out of the path of Carter's shot.

Well at least Carter makes Niemi use his equipment to stone him other than psychic powers nyuk nyuk nyuk

I would probably send Simmer as well, but why do you pass on Hartnell as Vancouver? If you're trying to get bigger and tougher, why do you pass on one of the best power forwards in the league? Since he's coming off of a down year due to injury, maybe they think that they're getting him for a down price. My only issue is his NTC. It makes things tricky.
- JAKEw1234

its more of how highly i view simmonds. vancouver has cap trouble as it is. simmonds deal is an absolute steal, and would be a godsend for them. i also tend to try and aim younger if at all possible. if vancouver truly thinks they have a legitmate shot next year, then maybe go with the veteran in hartnell. but injuries and age can catch up to a powerforward in a hurry. i think simmonds can bring practically all that hartnell does, all in a much younger and cheaper package. like i said, id hold out for him for the same reasons you guys would rather move hartnell.

Man the Kings just dont give you any room, will be a tough team as assembled for a while. Great mix of two way forwards, defense, solid tender.

I think Coots still has a high perceived value, due to his being a #8 overall and pedigree, his young age and his much ballyhooed efforts againt Malkin...but when it comes to his actual play I was much more impressed with him last season and saw noticeable declines in a few areas of his game for most of this season...I'm trying not to hold that against him too much, due to the crapshow the season was for lots of players, but if I were to try and guess his ceiling, based on his games thus far, I'd say maybe 55-60 ish pts, and solid, occasionally great D. This may change but that's where I see him...some may value him significantly higher, projecting him to be a Selke level player. Long way to go on that.
- exlund

And a lot of years to get there still. Remember that he's still a half a decade or more away from his prime. Unless his game for some odd reason does a tail spin, the amount his game should improve by the time he's even reached Giroux's age is immeasurable for a kid of his maturity and work ethic.

Man go Justin Williams, man he would look good in a Flyer's uni, oh wait.

Getting that perennial Norris candidate in Danny Markov for J. Williams. Another Clarke special. Great resume he has in the front office.

Trading guys away who stack Cups elsewhere. Flyers should get that poop trademarked.

its more of how highly i view simmonds. vancouver has cap trouble as it is. simmonds deal is an absolute steal, and would be a godsend for them. i also tend to try and aim younger if at all possible. if vancouver truly thinks they have a legitmate shot next year, then maybe go with the veteran in hartnell. but injuries and age can catch up to a powerforward in a hurry. i think simmonds can bring practically all that hartnell does, all in a much younger and cheaper package. like i said, id hold out for him for the same reasons you guys would rather move hartnell.
- stayinthefnnet

I hear ya, I'd much rather keep Simmer. He's like a middle-class man's Evander Kane. Just so much to love. But if vancouver truly is trying to get bigger and tougher, then there are lots of options to also go for on top of Hartnell or Simmer. I'm sure the Flyers trade won't be the only one they make. I personally think their defense is fine as is, and they might actually just need a coaching change. With the assets they have, though, they could rather easily add an Evander Kane on top of a Hartnell. If I were their GM, though, I would trade the Sedins in order to build an amazing youth core. Those guys are almost the definition of soft, which seems to be what vancouver is drifting away from. If Richards and Carter can get Voracek, Couturier, B Schenn, Simmer, and Cousins, just imagine the youth core the Couv could build trading just those 2 guys.

La ain't coughing up a two goal lead here.

Getting that perennial Vezina candidate in Danny Markov for J. Williams. Another Clarke special. Great resume he has in the front office.

Trading guys away who stack Cups elsewhere. Flyers should get that poop trademarked.
- PLindbergh31

Markov for Vezina?

Vancouver is not likely to take Hartnell 's contract on with their cap issues and need toget younger.Dont see it as a fit.

Markov for Vezina?
- bird_dog

I meant Norris. With all the Norris trophy winners the Flyers have had, I sometimes lose track.

I'm crashing, goodnight gents
p.s looks like the conference finals might be filled with the no surprise teams everyone expected. I just want whoever can beat Pittsburgh to move on

Vancouver is not likely to take Hartnell 's contract on with their cap issues and need toget younger.Dont see it as a fit.
- hereticpride

Read, prospect, and pick is the starting point...

Read, prospect, and pick is the starting point...
- stveshdy

except they're supposedly looking for bigger/grittier

seems like schenn or simmonds would be a must

except they're supposedly looking for bigger/grittier

seems like schenn or simmonds would be a must
- FlyerMike18

I agree that they are looking for bigger/grittier but that doesn't mean it has to come from the Flyers. Getting Read and losing Edler saves plenty of money to get that bigger forward.

except they're supposedly looking for bigger/grittier

seems like schenn or simmonds would be a must
- FlyerMike18

Yup. Bigger, Stronger, Younger, Cheaper.

They'll want Simmonds.

I wonder what is going to happen in St. Louis. I have to believe Pietrangelo will get an average yearly salary higher then Weber. I can't see Shattenkirk signing a "bridge deal" like Subban. I wonder if J-Bo will be in play? He may be healthier then Edler, but the price tag is probably going to be similar, plus you would have to sign him to a contract extension. Gotta figure he isn't going to take that much of a discount from his $6.6 million/yr salary.

As much as I hate them, LA really doesnt have too many soft players.

Carter and?

How many times have they done this before Richards and Carter?
- JAKEw1234

They built a whole new team after homer took over, which was necessary...swore they would only trade youth for youth...lost patience and traded for pronger... Lost patience and made the impetuous move for bryz and deemed the new core to be G and jvr, along w/ the new injection of young talent...gave up on Bob because of the bryz move and dumped jvr because he desperately needed a dman chasing ufa rainbows....now the lack of a puck mover could mean b schenn or couts are out...round & round we go.

They built a whole new team after homer took over, which was necessary...swore they would only trade youth for youth...lost patience and traded for pronger... Lost patience and made the impetuous move for bryz and deemed the new core to be G and jvr, along w/ the new injection of young talent...gave up on Bob because of the bryz move and dumped jvr because he desperately needed a dman chasing ufa rainbows....now the lack of a puck mover could mean b schenn or couts are out...round & round we go.
- isaiah520

Its all good as long as we keep chasing the cup. Maybe a hundred years from now they will recapture that glory of winning it all.

And a lot of years to get there still. Remember that he's still a half a decade or more away from his prime. Unless his game for some odd reason does a tail spin, the amount his game should improve by the time he's even reached Giroux's age is immeasurable for a kid of his maturity and work ethic.
- JAKEw1234

Well, I think his game did take a tailspin of sorts...maybe just a sophomore slump or got caught up in all the crapstorm...it's expected for a 20 yr old...but, at some point in the next season or two, the premium Couturier enjoys now as a young player who people think has great potential may start to fade. Will the Flyers continue to be patient or trade him away while he still has some value? I'm not saying either one is right...it's all speculative at this point how it will play out. I'm just saying that, for the most part he didn't have a good season...and factoring in that and last season, he is still mostly just potential and has a lot to prove before becoming the player we all want him to be. I am not looking to move him, but I see him on a similar level to B Schenn as far as an asset. Schenn could very well emerge as the more valuable player in time...

I favor the wait and see approach at this time on the young forwards...I'm hopeful we can use (undrafted) signings and amnesty buyout players to shore up the D short term and the draft to help remake the D over the next few years so, as the team's young forwards blossom, we'll have a solid, mobile, productive, and God willing healthy, D corps to go with them...but if it becomes necessary to move a Cooter or Schenn in a package for a proven, puck carrying, top 20 point producing D man (<30 yrs old), I'd have to consider it.