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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 2 @ 8:49 PM ET
Hawks PK operating at 98% efficiency with no defensive Dmen in the lineup.

Speed on D and the ability to move pucks as well as getting to loose pucks seems to be a growing trend rather than having hitters and shot blockers.

- Just5


Helps to have two studs on the blue line as well (Keith & Seabrook).
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 8:52 PM ET
Exactly, and I think they may be worn out trying to compensate for all of it.
- MBFlyerfan


I think the biggest thing is that they aren't getting much from Kopitar and Brown.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 2 @ 8:54 PM ET
I think the biggest thing is that they aren't getting much from Kopitar and Brown.
- MJL

Or anything from Carter
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 2 @ 8:55 PM ET
Or anything from Carter
- KINGKENZO

SURPRISE!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 8:55 PM ET
Hawks PK operating at 98% efficiency with no defensive Dmen in the lineup.

Speed on D and the ability to move pucks as well as getting to loose pucks seems to be a growing trend rather than having hitters and shot blockers.

- Just5


It's not a growing trend. It's been a key to the game for a long time. Anyone who thinks that the Flyers defense moves the puck well enough, has to question that opinion watching both of these teams play.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 8:56 PM ET
Or anything from Carter
- KINGKENZO



I believe that Carter has one of the highest point totals of the 2nd round. And in game 1 yesterday, The Carter/Richards/Penner line was LA's best line overall.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 2 @ 8:57 PM ET
It's not a growing trend. It's been a key to the game for a long time. Anyone who thinks that the Flyers defense moves the puck well enough, has to question that opinion watching both of these teams play.
- MJL


Also seen plenty of great scoring chances being denied by very good goaltending.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 2 @ 8:57 PM ET
SURPRISE!
- Giroux_Is_God

He played well vs the Sharks, so far, not so much
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 2 @ 8:57 PM ET
Yeah, and the Hawks have two, and they have already won the Stanley Cup and are close again to going to the Finals.
- ravishingone

3, I count Duncan Kieth. And don't be so quick to assume we don't already have a second one in the building. Couturier has the potential to grow into a very Toews-esque player. We just need that defenseman franchise guy imo.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 2 @ 8:58 PM ET
I believe that Carter has one of the highest point totals of the 2nd round. And in game 1 yesterday, The Carter/Richards/Penner line was LA's best line overall.
- MJL

I teed that up hahahah you're so defensive
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 2 @ 8:59 PM ET
3, I count Duncan Kieth. And don't be so quick to assume we don't already have a second one in the building. Couturier has the potential to grow into a very Toews-esque player. We just need that defenseman franchise guy imo.
- JAKEw1234


I know Couturier is young but he has a ways offensively to be on the level of Toews who is young himself. Toews is a monster at both ends.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 2 @ 9:00 PM ET
RED WEDDING TIME
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 2 @ 9:01 PM ET
I know Couturier is young but he has a ways offensively to be on the level of Toews who is young himself. Toews is a monster at both ends.
- stveshdy


I see Couturier more as a J. Staal than Toews. If he turns into either, I'll be happy.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 2 @ 9:02 PM ET
I know Couturier is young but he has a ways offensively to be on the level of Toews who is young himself. Toews is a monster at both ends.
- stveshdy

And Couts still has 4-5 years to develop a great offensive game before he even reaches Toews's age. That's half a decade before he's even considered a young player on the verge of his prime. Give him time.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 2 @ 9:02 PM ET
RED WEDDING TIME
- KINGKENZO


THE KING IN THE NORTH!!!
Oh.....poop...
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 2 @ 9:04 PM ET
I see Couturier more as a J. Staal than Toews. If he turns into either, I'll be happy.
- jmatchett383

Couturier has the leadership, work ethic, and maturity of J toews. Traits like he has help him develop better than you're everyday prospect, imo. It's why I think Lauridsen will be better than a 7th dman, which is what many consider his ceiling to be. He has the work ethic of a horse, and I think that will translate in him developing better.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 2 @ 9:06 PM ET
And Couts still has 4-5 years to develop a great offensive game before he even reaches Toews's age. That's half a decade before he's even considered a young player on the verge of his prime. Give him time.
- JAKEw1234


I'm giving him time but he has a lot of work to do offensively to be on that level of Toews. Toews been producing numbers like that since he entered the league in 2007.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 9:07 PM ET
I teed that up hahahah you're so defensive
- KINGKENZO


Not defensive at all. Just stating the facts.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 2 @ 9:10 PM ET
RED WEDDING TIME
- KINGKENZO



jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 2 @ 9:15 PM ET
if I'm the Flyers I'm not trading assets to move up. If anything I'm trying to trade down and get a couple top 30-40 picks unless my guy is there at at 9 or 10 for a little extra.

I'd keep Gagne, but as many pointed out it's going to depend on what's there to spend. I take it they're not going to resign Hall?
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 2 @ 9:16 PM ET
Not defensive at all. Just stating the facts.
- MJL

Lighten up...I'm messing with you
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 2 @ 9:19 PM ET
La looks overmatched in this series. Looks like chi town in 5
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 2 @ 9:19 PM ET
3, I count Duncan Kieth. And don't be so quick to assume we don't already have a second one in the building. Couturier has the potential to grow into a very Toews-esque player. We just need that defenseman franchise guy imo.
- JAKEw1234


I'm as big of a Coots fan as anybody. My basic point is I don't think you can't collect enough elite talent. I certainly agree the Flyers need defensive help, but should the Flyers bypass potentially getting an elite forward to draft a good d-man in the first round of this year's draft because it is a need?

I couldn't tell you if Nichushkin will be a better pro then Pullock. However, if the scouting dept. believes Nichushkin can be the better player and they can acquire a higher draft pick while losing some assets, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Hypothetically, let's say it might cost Simmonds or Read plus another player plus #11 would it be worth it if Nichushkin becomes a top 10 player in the league. To me, it is worth, but it is certainly a risk and the scouting department has to be right.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 2 @ 9:19 PM ET
RED WEDDING TIME
- KINGKENZO

Meh ill watch that drivel after the real entertainment is over.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 2 @ 9:19 PM ET
La looks overmatched in this series. Looks like chi town in 5
- JoeRussomanno


I would have to agree with you.
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