nothing cute about it ... you don't have the pieces I'd be looking for in a Letang deal. Failed prospects and low end picks which edmonton fans think they can offer for star players is a joke.
- Oneonta Penguin

What peices would you be looking for?

We had arguably the best coach in NHL history in 92, but the players were still ready to revolt halfway through the season. Bylsma is far from perfect, but he's better than most. It's still up to the players on the ice to get it done. Do you think Bylsma coaches his best players to make horrific decisions with the puck?? (87 & 58 were lousy last night, especially on the first 2 goals)
- Emperor Filonius

This, x10000

What peices would you be looking for?
- robin_steele264

IMO, any deal the oilers made for letang would involve one of eberle or yakupov going back the other way

No, its on the players as well.
- Oneonta Penguin

Thanks for that. I know you don't care for HCDB...which is fine...I just compare Bylsma to other coaches this team has had in the past (not only Eddie O and Rick Kehoe, but I lived through the Pierre Creamer years) and I think he's pretty good. That said, I know HCDB has his faults...I wish he had just a little more Herb Brooks in him, because this team needs a wake up call.

Thanks for that. I know you don't care for HCDB...which is fine...I just compare Bylsma to other coaches this team has had in the past (not only Eddie O and Rick Kehoe, but I lived through the Pierre Creamer years) and I think he's pretty good. That said, I know HCDB has his faults...I wish he had just a little more Herb Brooks in him, because this team needs a wake up call.
- Emperor Filonius

coaches get too much blame. if the Bruins don't rally in the TO series every wants juliens head.

would a deal around craig anderson and letang be feasible i wonder.

anderson and a 1st

for letang


andy is a great goalie, who thrives when he's busy. he's only 30, so right in his prime. i think he would do well in pitt's system. he's signed to a great deal, and it would allow the pens to either trade or buyout fleury. would leave you guys lots of cap space to play with, and gives a chance to lots of your young D to start playing
- sensarmy_11

No. Absolutely not.

Just no.

coaches get too much blame. if the Bruins don't rally in the TO series every wants juliens head.
- Fountain-San

Seems like Julien is always one loss away from getting axed.

IMO, any deal the oilers made for letang would involve one of eberle or yakupov going back the other way
- sensarmy_11

Well Edmonton has nothing he wants so I'm curious about what in general he would want. League wide

Seems like Julien is always one loss away from getting axed.
- Pecafan Fan

it's maddening.

No. Absolutely not.

Just no.
- sens_in_5

You have to think Murray will move Anderson at some point considering Robin Lehner looks ready.

He's got value and the Sens have a #1 in Lehner...

No. Absolutely not.

Just no.
- sens_in_5

are you saying no from a sens stand point? if so, WHY THE HELL NOT?

ottawa still has lehner (who's ready now), plus 2 great young goalies behind him (Driedger and brassard), plus lawton in bingo.

that would give ottawa a top 4 of

karlsson - methot
cowen - letang

Well Edmonton has nothing he wants so I'm curious about what in general he would want. League wide
- robin_steele264

i'm assuming his point was based on the fact that edmonton's kids are "untouchable" according to many on this site......and quite frankly, if you take hall/RNH/Eberle/yak/schultz out of the equation, then he's right, edmonton doesn' thave the pieces to acquire letang.

coaches get too much blame. if the Bruins don't rally in the TO series every wants juliens head.
- Fountain-San

When the teams win, its the players who get the glory. When they lose, the coaches get the blame. I'm not trying to say that Bylsma is without fault here, but this isn't some midseason losing streak in the middle of February. The coach shouldn't have to motivate a team that's in the ECF for the right to go to the Stanley Cup. I have my own criticisms about Bylsma:
-he is stubborn to a fault
-he doesn't take advantage of getting the last change at home enough (see above)

...but when you have the supposed best players in the world and you score 1 goal in 2 games, I'm sorry, but that's on the players, not the coach. The truth is I think that an NHL coach has very little impact on the game once the puck is dropped. Its not football where he can call in a new play every time. The players have to go out do their thing and play.

What peices would you be looking for?
- robin_steele264

In a perfect world, I'd trade him for Eberle and a second rounder. That said, Jordan is coming up for a big contract. He doesn't help with the cap. You would be spending close to the same money soon with Eberle as you will be with Letang.

Edmonton would be fools to deal Hall. Gagner makes no sense for Pittsburgh since we are loaded at center and I have no interest whatsoever in Nuge. I think he is the weak link of the top four.

It would have to be Yak and a first. While Yak had a decent first year, he is still unproven. It's a high price, but I don't think Edmonton would entertain this.

There is very little on the farm in Edmonton that I have remote interest in. Kefblom would be the only one and we are loaded with D prospects.

are you saying no from a sens stand point? if so, WHY THE HELL NOT?

ottawa still has lehner (who's ready now), plus 2 great young goalies behind him (Driedger and brassard), plus lawton in bingo.

that would give ottawa a top 4 of

karlsson - methot
cowen - letang
- sensarmy_11

Definitely from a Sens standpoint. Not a big Letang fan - too many glaring defensive errors. Ask a Pens fan.

Definitely from a Sens standpoint. Not a big Letang fan - too many glaring defensive errors. Ask a Pens fan.
- sens_in_5

Letang would improve you greatly.

When the teams win, its the players who get the glory. When they lose, the coaches get the blame. I'm not trying to say that Bylsma is without fault here, but this isn't some midseason losing streak in the middle of February. The coach shouldn't have to motivate a team that's in the ECF for the right to go to the Stanley Cup. I have my own criticisms about Bylsma:
-he is stubborn to a fault
-he doesn't take advantage of getting the last change at home enough (see above)

...but when you have the supposed best players in the world and you score 1 goal in 2 games, I'm sorry, but that's on the players, not the coach. The truth is I think that an NHL coach has very little impact on the game once the puck is dropped. Its not football where he can call in a new play every time. The players have to go out do their thing and play.
- Emperor Filonius

good post. agreed.

would a deal around craig anderson and letang be feasible i wonder.

anderson and a 1st

for letang


andy is a great goalie, who thrives when he's busy. he's only 30, so right in his prime. i think he would do well in pitt's system. he's signed to a great deal, and it would allow the pens to either trade or buyout fleury. would leave you guys lots of cap space to play with, and gives a chance to lots of your young D to start playing
- sensarmy_11

The Pens will likely need a proven starting goalie next season.

I would definitely take a look at Anderson, but I am not sure that I am giving up Letang for him...

But it won't matter who is in goal next season, if the Penguins don't figure out how to play defensively solid. You could have Patrick Roy or Marty Brodeur in their primes last night, and the Penguins still would have lost.

Letang would improve you greatly.
- Oneonta Penguin

There would be 1,000 better ways for the Sens to spend $6-7mm cap space.

Definitely from a Sens standpoint. Not a big Letang fan - too many glaring defensive errors. Ask a Pens fan.
- sens_in_5

letangs isn't perfect, but lots of those mistakes would be so bad with competent goaltending.

also, he's the perfect player for maclean's puck possession system. pair him with a defensive guy......perfect.

and the pens get a vezina calibre goalie, in his prime, and a 1st rd pick

letangs isn't perfect, but lots of those mistakes would be so bad with competent goaltending.

also, he's the perfect player for maclean's puck possession system. pair him with a defensive guy......perfect.

and the pens get a vezina calibre goalie, in his prime, and a 1st rd pick
- sensarmy_11

That's all good, but you have to consider how much Letang will commend.

Karlsson is a $6,500,000 cap hit. And most likely, Letang will make about as much as him.

13 million on 2 defensemen is... Very expensive.

There would be 1,000 better ways for the Sens to spend $6-7mm cap space.
- sens_in_5

To me, that's the problem for the Pens resigning him.

That's all good, but you have to consider how much Letang will commend.

Karlsson is a $6,500,000 cap hit. And most likely, Letang will make about as much as him.

13 million on 2 defensemen is... Very expensive.
- Pecafan Fan

sens have 20 mil in cap space, and nobody of significance (in dollar terms) to resign

they're okay for money

There would be 1,000 better ways for the Sens to spend $6-7mm cap space.
- sens_in_5

name 1.......and make it realistic, no "trade for claude giroux" stuff

Well you know what they say, you're not in trouble until you lose one on the road.