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kill.monsters
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Kansas City, MO
Joined: 05.02.2011

Jun 4 @ 9:28 PM ET
Adjustments: something we are unable to make.

By the way this team played last night, I don't have high expectations for now..

- Orpik44

At this point I don't even have expectations of any variety.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Jun 4 @ 9:31 PM ET
Adjustments: something we are unable to make.

By the way this team played last night, I don't have high expectations for now..

- Orpik44


The only adjustments DB makes are his tie selection.
nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jun 4 @ 9:42 PM ET
I hate commenting on the negative but Bylsma has got to lose his job if he continues this.... They gotsta get AV in there...

Enough for me... Tons of hockey still to be played... Would love to see Fleury make a comeback on this....
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 4 @ 10:06 PM ET
I should probably stop the Bylsma bashing, but is anybody else terrified that the lineup changes he promised today is going to include Tanner Glass?
kill.monsters
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Kansas City, MO
Joined: 05.02.2011

Jun 4 @ 10:07 PM ET
I hate commenting on the negative but Bylsma has got to lose his job if he continues this.... They gotsta get AV in there...

Enough for me... Tons of hockey still to be played... Would love to see Fleury make a comeback on this....

- nelson911


absolutely.
kill.monsters
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Kansas City, MO
Joined: 05.02.2011

Jun 4 @ 10:08 PM ET
I should probably stop the Bylsma bashing, but is anybody else terrified that the lineup changes he promised today is going to include Tanner Glass?
- madmike71

Oh my. I'm sure he will be.
nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jun 4 @ 10:09 PM ET
I should probably stop the Bylsma bashing, but is anybody else terrified that the lineup changes he promised today is going to include Tanner Glass?
- madmike71

I'm hoping for Bennett to be with 71 and 18
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 4 @ 10:14 PM ET
Oh my. I'm sure he will be.
- kill.monsters


I used to love the argument that Glass needed a spot because he kills penalties. Oddly enough, since Glass has found the press box, the Pens PK has suddenly become good.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jun 4 @ 10:43 PM ET
I should probably stop the Bylsma bashing, but is anybody else terrified that the lineup changes he promised today is going to include Tanner Glass?
- madmike71

Oh man.. I wanna see TK and Vitale out there. We need a change of attitude tomorrow. Fight for every puck and don't give much space. Pressure their D. Hunt their forwards. Give a little bit of their own medicine. Give us a full 60 min effort and we might believe in this team. Hunger.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 4 @ 11:00 PM ET
Oh man.. I wanna see TK and Vitale out there. We need a change of attitude tomorrow. Fight for every puck and don't give much space. Pressure their D. Hunt their forwards. Give a little bit of their own medicine. Give us a full 60 min effort and we might believe in this team. Hunger.
- Orpik44

frankly I want to see Bylsma bench those who aren't playing hard or well. enough of this "players coach" garbage. Bylsma needs to take control of this team.

guys like kennedy and vitale aren't the most skilled, but they will fight every battle. guys like Crosby and malkin need to have that fight level.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 4 @ 11:05 PM ET
Sean Burke made Smith, not Tippett. Sure, his system helps Smith. Then again, his system helped Bryz before bolting for Philly for big money and failure.

If Bylsma is canned, which he would deserve if we go down in flames this series, I think Vigneault might get a call too.

- Oneonta Penguin

of course and that's why you see Bryz sucking now. same thing will happen to Smith. Some team will pay him as much as Bryz and get similar results.

I don't know much about AV. Watched him a few times in VAN. seems to be well liked and respected. don't know what his system is or anything. but he had a similar situation in VAN with the star power.

and anyone have thoughts about getting Ryan Miller? he only makes 6.25 mil. he is a UFA in 2014-15 so we would be able to talk to him this summer about an extension. I don't think it would take a TON to get him. would love to try to pry Myers from them also.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Jun 4 @ 11:13 PM ET
If I may? What is the Pittsburg style of play, or game plan? With the bruins I know the plan, it's fast passing in the defensive zone to beat the fore checkers and have good breakouts and produce odd man rushes, AND we play best when we dump the puck deep in the offensive zone and forecheckers win lots of board battles, AND when we do let pressure in our defensive zone you will notice that most of the shots are from the outside the center circles and Even outside the circles them selves, so long off angle shots.
That is the bruins game plan, hellmost of our goals were rushes from your fore checkers not back checking as they were going for big big hits and your d men over pitching constantly, which produces the odd man rushes.
I just don't understand the "back to basics" consepts with Pitt as there game plan seems to be "balls to the wall 100% of the time".
Personally, I see no defensive structure with Pitt and they seem to just assume they can just overwhelm the other team with offensive talent and assume they will score. BUT I just don't see the overall team defensive plan with them.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 4 @ 11:20 PM ET
If I may? What is the Pittsburg style of play, or game plan? With the bruins I know the plan, it's fast passing in the defensive zone to beat the fore checkers and have good breakouts and produce odd man rushes, AND we play best when we dump the puck deep in the offensive zone and forecheckers win lots of board battles, AND when we do let pressure in our defensive zone you will notice that most of the shots are from the outside the center circles and Even outside the circles them selves, so long off angle shots.
That is the bruins game plan, hellmost of our goals were rushes from your fore checkers not back checking as they were going for big big hits and your d men over pitching constantly, which produces the odd man rushes.
I just don't understand the "back to basics" consepts with Pitt as there game plan seems to be "balls to the wall 100% of the time".
Personally, I see no defensive structure with Pitt and they seem to just assume they can just overwhelm the other team with offensive talent ans assume they will score. BUT I just don't see the overall team defensive plan with them.

- JIwasinskiJr

our plan is puck possession. Bylsma's view is that the best defense is possessing the puck in the offensive zone.

it's a great thought, and whenever it works, it works well. the problem is when it doesn't work. it doesn't work against skilled and well coached teams like Boston. When we lose, we typically lose by multiple goals. It's because once a team figures us out, there is no stopping them because of how awful we are defensively because we have no real defensive zone coverage.

give boston credit, they took the penguins system and crushed them. they sit in the neutral zone. have a forward or two forecheck, and then intercept an outlet pass and get chances.

if Pittsburgh doesn't change, this series will be over in 4. if they do change, then we might have a series.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Jun 4 @ 11:23 PM ET
If I may? What is the Pittsburg style of play, or game plan? With the bruins I know the plan, it's fast passing in the defensive zone to beat the fore checkers and have good breakouts and produce odd man rushes, AND we play best when we dump the puck deep in the offensive zone and forecheckers win lots of board battles, AND when we do let pressure in our defensive zone you will notice that most of the shots are from the outside the center circles and Even outside the circles them selves, so long off angle shots.
That is the bruins game plan, hellmost of our goals were rushes from your fore checkers not back checking as they were going for big big hits and your d men over pitching constantly, which produces the odd man rushes.
I just don't understand the "back to basics" consepts with Pitt as there game plan seems to be "balls to the wall 100% of the time".
Personally, I see no defensive structure with Pitt and they seem to just assume they can just overwhelm the other team with offensive talent ans assume they will score. BUT I just don't see the overall team defensive plan with them.

- JIwasinskiJr


Dude, you are asking questions we ask all the time. We know more about Boston and how to prepare for Boston than our coach does. We know who he should plays as well. He doesn't listen to us. If he did, he would be up 2-0, or at least 1-1 instead of down 2-0 and probably gets canned if this series continues to look the way it does. He is a bad coach. No need to ask questions. Read our comments in the other thread. It's pretty obvious what we think of him and his hockey IQ right now.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 4 @ 11:24 PM ET
our plan is puck possession. Bylsma's view is that the best defense is possessing the puck in the offensive zone.

it's a great thought, and whenever it works, it works well. the problem is when it doesn't work. it doesn't work against skilled and well coached teams like Boston. When we lose, we typically lose by multiple goals. It's because once a team figures us out, there is no stopping them because of how awful we are defensively because we have no real defensive zone coverage.

give boston credit, they took the penguins system and crushed them. they sit in the neutral zone. have a forward or two forecheck, and then intercept an outlet pass and get chances.

if Pittsburgh doesn't change, this series will be over in 4. if they do change, then we might have a series.

- SuperHenderson13


I'm glad you explained it because I started to type and instantly wanted to puke. I'm so sick of hearing Disco's philosophy. It seems moronic to me that he has no back-up plan if the other team is good enough to shut down our cycle. So annoying.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Jun 4 @ 11:29 PM ET
our plan is puck possession. Bylsma's view is that the best defense is possessing the puck in the offensive zone.

it's a great thought, and whenever it works, it works well. the problem is when it doesn't work. it doesn't work against skilled and well coached teams like Boston. When we lose, we typically lose by multiple goals. It's because once a team figures us out, there is no stopping them because of how awful we are defensively because we have no real defensive zone coverage.

give boston credit, they took the penguins system and crushed them. they sit in the neutral zone. have a forward or two forecheck, and then intercept an outlet pass and get chances.

if Pittsburgh doesn't change, this series will be over in 4. if they do change, then we might have a series.

- SuperHenderson13


That's what I thought watching you guys. "Balls to the wall offense" all the time.
To me when you guys went and grabbed iggy I was shocked as I thought for sure you would have grabbed a true shut down d man to help on the back side, I doubted you would be able to grab a good good goalie, which I think is your biggest weakness, but with a TRUE shut down them maybe you drop Letang to the second d man pair and use workhorse mins with you shut down guy, that may have been a bandaid for the hole in goal.

You guys have so much talent but seem to be sooo random and chaotic at times.
If you traded a couple sexy players and grabbed a GREAT two way center, I.e. toews, bergy, kopitar, kesler type player and a shut down d man, like a chara, or lindstrom type guy, COMBINED WITH a female dog slap to your forwards that they need to back check and back check hard, YOU WOULD BE UNSTAPABLE, even with an average goalie. Which is still your greatest whole. Letang is more a specialist player to me the a d man, like Boston thought Kaberle was going to be.

I'm sorry if I'm rambling.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 4 @ 11:34 PM ET
I'm glad you explained it because I started to type and instantly wanted to puke. I'm so sick of hearing Disco's philosophy. It seems moronic to me that he has no back-up plan if the other team is good enough to shut down our cycle. So annoying.
- madmike71

its such an idealistic plan.

no crap it's good to have puck possession in the offensive zone. but you don't plan an entire system off of it BECAUSE IT JUST ISNT FEASIBLE TO HAPPEN EVERY GAME.

it's remarkable. I when watching these games, I just sit there in disbelief about how lost a professional team can be in the defensive zone and how awful a coach can get outcoached on a nightly basis.

if bylsma was the coach of a normal team, they would be a lottery team.

he needs to go. end of story.

I hope this team wins in 7 or loses in 4.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 4 @ 11:41 PM ET
That's what I thought watching you guys. "Balls to the wall offense" all the time.
To me when you guys went and grabbed iggy I was shocked as I thought for sure you would have grabbed a true shut down d man to help on the back side, I doubted you would be able to grab a good good goalie, which I think is your biggest weakness, but with a TRUE shut down them maybe you drop Letang to the second d man pair and use workhorse mins with you shut down guy, that may have been a bandaid for the hole in goal.

You guys have so much talent but seem to be sooo random and chaotic at times.
If you traded a couple sexy players and grabbed a GREAT two way center, I.e. toews, bergy, kopitar, kesler type player and a shut down d man, like a chara, or lindstrom type guy, COMBINED WITH a female dog slap to your forwards that they need to back check and back check hard, YOU WOULD BE UNSTAPABLE, even with an average goalie. Which is still your greatest whole. Letang is more a specialist player to me the a d man, like Boston thought Kaberle was going to be.

I'm sorry if I'm rambling.

- JIwasinskiJr


Our defensmen aren't as bad as they look. Orpik and Martin are very good players. Letang has been a mess at times, but he's playing the system of the coach. He's actually a very good defensive player when he wants to be, but the design of Bylsma's system is all about going North as quickly as possible which frequently leads to gross mistakes. Our forwards frequently over-commit and it can become a turnover nightmare. What you're watching is a total systemic problem. It was the exact same problem last year against Philly.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Jun 4 @ 11:43 PM ET
Dude, you are asking questions we ask all the time. We know more about Boston and how to prepare for Boston than our coach does. We know who he should plays as well. He doesn't listen to us. If he did, he would be up 2-0, or at least 1-1 instead of down 2-0 and probably gets canned if this series continues to look the way it does. He is a bad coach. No need to ask questions. Read our comments in the other thread. It's pretty obvious what we think of him and his hockey IQ right now.
- Oneonta Penguin


Come on man. I've been reading your comments and your blasting Boston as far far bellow Pittsburg. **And I say that with mostly busting your balls.
But I've watched hockey for forever and it holds true for all sports, BUT hockey more than any other sport in the world in my opinion.........hockey is a true team sport and to truly be the best you need an over all plan, not just a bunch of individuals.
It's been a recurring theme over the last decade and its so fricken stupid, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE THE sharks, capitals, penguins, Canucks, flyers, etc., been picked to win the cup after a great regular season and many times a presidents trophy?
Overall team defense wins championships, BUT crazy offense wins the regular season.
I.e. This is coming from a patriots fans so I have experience in the spectrums of high expectations and high disappointment.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 4 @ 11:47 PM ET
its such an idealistic plan.

no crap it's good to have puck possession in the offensive zone. but you don't plan an entire system off of it BECAUSE IT JUST ISNT FEASIBLE TO HAPPEN EVERY GAME.

it's remarkable. I when watching these games, I just sit there in disbelief about how lost a professional team can be in the defensive zone and how awful a coach can get outcoached on a nightly basis.

if bylsma was the coach of a normal team, they would be a lottery team.

he needs to go. end of story.

I hope this team wins in 7 or loses in 4.

- SuperHenderson13


I couldn't have said it any better. The way I see it, it's total arrogance. It's like he refuses to give another team any credit that they might be able to stop his game plan. No doubt the talent level has kept him around. An average team, wouldn't sniff the playoffs. Look at how well the Isle played against us. Nothing but sheer talent won that series. If the Isle had a couple more players, Disco is already gone.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 4 @ 11:50 PM ET
That's what I thought watching you guys. "Balls to the wall offense" all the time.
To me when you guys went and grabbed iggy I was shocked as I thought for sure you would have grabbed a true shut down d man to help on the back side, I doubted you would be able to grab a good good goalie, which I think is your biggest weakness, but with a TRUE shut down them maybe you drop Letang to the second d man pair and use workhorse mins with you shut down guy, that may have been a bandaid for the hole in goal.

You guys have so much talent but seem to be sooo random and chaotic at times.
If you traded a couple sexy players and grabbed a GREAT two way center, I.e. toews, bergy, kopitar, kesler type player and a shut down d man, like a chara, or lindstrom type guy, COMBINED WITH a female dog slap to your forwards that they need to back check and back check hard, YOU WOULD BE UNSTAPABLE, even with an average goalie. Which is still your greatest whole. Letang is more a specialist player to me the a d man, like Boston thought Kaberle was going to be.

I'm sorry if I'm rambling.

- JIwasinskiJr

no I agree with you

this team is too white collared. in 2009 this team was a blue collared and hard working team. today, they are an entitled and spoiled organization.

if this team loses, I expect big changes. yet shero can deal and sign and do whatever he wants.

the fact is, these results wont change until there is a new coach. it's just a fact.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Jun 4 @ 11:51 PM ET
Well off to bed, good talk with ACTUAL HOCKRY FANS AND NOT JUST THE TYPICAL PICK HATS, bandwagons.
I wish I could wish the penguins luck, BUT I can not, you have too much talent.
I do wish you luck in all other things though, clearly not related to this series and any other series in which you play Boston in the future. Sorry.
Night.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 4 @ 11:54 PM ET
I couldn't have said it any better. The way I see it, it's total arrogance. It's like he refuses to give another team any credit that they might be able to stop his game plan. No doubt the talent level has kept him around. An average team, wouldn't sniff the playoffs. Look at how well the Isle played against us. Nothing but sheer talent won that series. If the Isle had a couple more players, Disco is already gone.
- madmike71

agreed 100%. if bylsma coaches a fringe playoff team without this type of talent, they are a lottery team.

people are often blinded by regular season success.

until he goes, nothing will change. we will continue to lose in the playoffs after a great regular season.

truthfully, if Shero keeps Bylsma, not sure I can continue supporting this team. I mean it. I am so sick of this bull.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Jun 5 @ 12:01 AM ET
agreed 100%. if bylsma coaches a fringe playoff team without this type of talent, they are a lottery team.

people are often blinded by regular season success.

until he goes, nothing will change. we will continue to lose in the playoffs after a great regular season.

truthfully, if Shero keeps Bylsma, not sure I can continue supporting this team. I mean it. I am so sick of this bull.

- SuperHenderson13


We in Boston hold short grudges, , come on over.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 5 @ 12:02 AM ET
agreed 100%. if bylsma coaches a fringe playoff team without this type of talent, they are a lottery team.

people are often blinded by regular season success.

until he goes, nothing will change. we will continue to lose in the playoffs after a great regular season.

truthfully, if Shero keeps Bylsma, not sure I can continue supporting this team. I mean it. I am so sick of this bull.

- SuperHenderson13


Well.... He promised big changes for tomorrow. So.... Glass in for Vitale and Bortuzzo in for Engelland.
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