yeah. im talking about winning games next year...put nicushkin or couturier next to giroux and see who scores more...
- Philly1980

Ok, we're done here.

Ok, we're done here.
- BulliesPhan87

exactly because you know damn well know that nicushkin fits better in that role.

exactly because you know damn well know that nicushkin fits better in that role.
- Philly1980

Here's an idea, let's trade Couturier for Zherdev!

with richards out i find it very easy to just straight up root for zus
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Not a Carter fan?
He has played very well, especially since moving back to center with Richards out, which I find ironic.

you know all those teams are in the red right? it means that there arent enough fans to support their operating costs.
- Philly1980

You're talking about single organization fan-generated revenue versus league-wide (for example, the $20billion Comcast deal). Things like that actually benefit the Flyers. The less fans there are nation-wide (which would be caused by contracting team and/or alienating fanbases) and the less likely businesses will be to dole out big $$ league-wide. Having more teams, even the struggling ones which take a cut of the Flyers $$, actually ends up making the Flyers more money in the end.

Not a Carter fan?
He has played very well, especially since moving back to center with Richards out, which I find ironic.
- Marc D

Speaking of Carter:
http://www.thefourthperio...s/bernstein/db130606.html

yeah. im talking about winning games next year...put nicushkin or couturier next to giroux and see who scores more...
- Philly1980

Why is a center playing next to Giroux?
How's Nicushkin's defensive game?
Has he shown any signs of NHL success?

Why is a center playing next to Giroux?
How's Nicushkin's defensive game?
Has he shown any signs of NHL success?
- jmatchett383

No, he's shown no ability to break into the NHL.

You're talking about single organization fan-generated revenue versus league-wide (for example, the $20billion Comcast deal). Things like that actually benefit the Flyers. The less fans there are nation-wide (which would be caused by contracting team and/or alienating fanbases) and the less likely businesses will be to dole out big $$ league-wide. Having more teams, even the struggling ones which take a cut of the Flyers $$, actually ends up making the Flyers more money in the end.
- jmatchett383

first of its a 10 yr deal worth 2 bill not 20bill~ roughly about 6.66 mill per team per year thats less than 10% revenue for most teams... NHL has always been a gate driven business.

NHL signs 10-year television deal to remain on NBC and Versus
The contract is worth $2 billion, and NBC will pay rights fees after splitting profits with the league under expiring deal.
April 19, 2011|By Diane Pucin

His point is an extremely valid one.
- jak521

In theory yes. In practice no. In general, when a good business smells blood they go for the kill. That's good business, like it or not. I can give you countless examples in the banking, healthcare, technology, and food industires. Sports are not exempt. The flyers are a business and they did what was best for their business within the rules. If the owners don't like that then too bad - Homer doesn't have to be liked - in fact Machiavelli would suggest its better to be feared than loved. If the NHL does not like it then change the rules- they have the ability to do so. Sorry if that sounds harsh but the hard truth of owning a business is that your competitors are always trying to take your market share.... And in this case, increase their own market share by acquiring a key asset from Nashville.

Why is a center playing next to Giroux?
How's Nicushkin's defensive game?
Has he shown any signs of NHL success?
- jmatchett383

1. centers can play the wing...briere the exception
2. i dont care about about his defensive game if hes going to be a 1st line winger
3. Nope.

first of its a 10 yr deal worth 2 bill~ roughly about 6.66 mill per team per year thats less than 10% revenue for most teams... NHL has always been a gate driven business.
- Philly1980

So $6.6M per year in the Flyers' pocket doesn't make them money (again, 1 example) when compared to the revenue sharing amount?
Also, keep in mind other league-wide revenues from companies like Verizon, Geico, etc.

Speaking of Carter:
http://www.thefourthperio...s/bernstein/db130606.html
- BulliesPhan87

agree with all of that, he looks like their best player the last two games

the ineffectiveness of Kopitar and Brown, (I'm guessing they are playing wounded) is really hurting LA

the bottom six guys are playing with energy but are having a hard time scoring

1. i dont care about about his defensive game if hes going to be a 1st line winger
2. Nope.
- Philly1980

So, unless a player's a center, his defensive game is not important?

So $6.6M per year in the Flyers' pocket doesn't make them money (again, 1 example) when compared to the revenue sharing amount?
Also, keep in mind other league-wide revenues from companies like Verizon, Geico, etc.
- jmatchett383

thats chump change to a team like the flyers...on the other hand teams like nashville throw that off to the taxpayer.... great way of promoting a sport in area where the working SOB has to pay for a pro sport teams losses. that just belittles the sport. Take those teams and move them up north... add two extra teams in canada and then you'll see revenues soar.

So, unless a player's a center, his defensive game is not important?
- jmatchett383

its important to a degree...

That's what many don't understand. Nashville, Phoenix and the all the struggling teams doing well. Is in the best interest of everyone involved. Including the Flyers.
- MJL

What do you think will happen if they don't do well? My thoughts are they go out of business and the franchise is sold to another ownership group in another city where they feel the franchise CAN succeed. Wouldn't that be in the best interest for everyone as well.... rather than maintaining status quo and subsidizing losing ventures?

Here's an idea, let's trade Couturier for Zherdev!
- BulliesPhan87

thats a stupid idea...you can get him for nothing.

you know all those teams are in the red right? it means that there arent enough fans to support their operating costs. so they produce no revenue but take it from our team that does.
- Philly1980

There is a difference between revenue, and profit.

What do you think will happen if they don't do well? My thoughts are they go out of business and the franchise is sold to another ownership group in another city where they feel the franchise CAN succeed. Wouldn't that be in the best interest for everyone as well.... rather than maintaining status quo and subsidizing losing ventures?
- moylander

dude no point in trying to argue with communists.

Here's an idea, let's trade Couturier for Zherdev!
- BulliesPhan87

In theory yes. In practice no. In general, when a good business smells blood they go for the kill. That's good business, like it or not. I can give you countless examples in the banking, healthcare, technology, and food industires. Sports are not exempt. The flyers are a business and they did what was best for their business within the rules. If the owners don't like that then too bad - Homer doesn't have to be liked - in fact Machiavelli would suggest its better to be feared than loved. If the NHL does not like it then change the rules- they have the ability to do so. Sorry if that sounds harsh but the hard truth of owning a business is that your competitors are always trying to take your market share.... And in this case, increase their own market share by acquiring a key asset from Nashville.
- moylander

One small problem... The Flyers struck out... so not only did they piss a lot of people off by being a bit unethical (there is certainly a bit of a "gentleman's agreement" in the league) in the way they issues their offer sheet. I have no problem with it personally, but I also recognize the non-stochastic effect that would resonate long term.

By losing Weber to an OS, the Preds would have been dealt a deathblow. The Flyers new that, and used it to their advantage... Nothing wrong with it, and it puts the ball in the Flyers court, but at the same time, as the Preds or any other team becomes weak, so does the League

There is a difference between revenue, and profit.
- MJL

you forgot to mention losses. something you tend to overlook as well....

One small problem... The Flyers struck out... so not only did they piss a lot of people off by being a bit unethical (there is certainly a bit of a "gentleman's agreement" in the league) in the way they issues their offer sheet. I have no problem with it personally, but I also recognize the non-stochastic affect that would resonate long term.

By losing Weber to an OS, the Preds would have been dealt a deathblow. The Flyers new that, and used it to their advantage... Nothing wrong with it, and it puts the ball in the Flyers court, but at the same time, as the Preds or any other team becomes weak, so does the League
- jak521

ethics should have no place in business.

What do you think will happen if they don't do well? My thoughts are they go out of business and the franchise is sold to another ownership group in another city where they feel the franchise CAN succeed. Wouldn't that be in the best interest for everyone as well.... rather than maintaining status quo and subsidizing losing ventures?
- moylander

Not neccessarily. Do you think the NHL just wants to keep a team in a City because they want it to lose money? Or are there maybe things that you aren't aware of? And I'm waiting for you to explain why what I said is wrong.