That's not how the franchise model, as practiced outside of sports, works.

If your McDonald's franchise goes in the toilet, that doesn't mean the McDonald's in the next town keeps you afloat.
- johndewar

Well since were not talking about the franchise model outside of sports, and were talking about the NHL franchise model. That's irrelevant.

That's not how the franchise model, as practiced outside of sports, works.

If your McDonald's franchise goes in the toilet, that doesn't mean the McDonald's in the next town keeps you afloat.
- johndewar

or they will keep it afloat by passing of that cost to the consumer.

Well since were not talking about the franchise model outside of sports, and were talking about the NHL franchise model. That's irrelevant.
- MJL

they would become the quebec predator with pooploads of young talent coming down the pipes....and make 3 to 4x the revenues they are making in nashville...boo hoo... ask the suckers in nashville how they feel about trying to prop up a team no one cares about lol.
- Philly1980

They were at 99% attendance for the year.

Here is a serious question, seeing how you are a Wharton business grad and all..

You have a prospering business (coming off your best profits margins ever) based throughout the state of PA, and really succeeding in Phila. (albeit a bit saturated). You are opening a new shop with the future of your business being in your best interest.

Do you:
A) Open a shop in Philly.
B) Open a shop in the Suburbs.
C) Stay in Pa.
D) Expanded out of state

i like the gal, chewing on something tasty, who pops down from up top
- bradleyc4

i missed her

No it wasnt see below!

- Philly1980

You do realize the one significant difference right?

They were at 99% attendance for the year.

Here is a serious question, seeing how you are a Wharton business grad and all..

You have a prospering business (coming off your best profits margins ever) based throughout the state of PA, and really succeeding in Phila. (albeit a bit saturated). You are opening a new shop with the future of your business being in your best interest.

Do you:
A) Open a shop in Philly.
B) Open a shop in the Suburbs.
C) Stay in Pa.
D) Expanded out of state
- jak521

that 99% is a misnomer....nhl teams artificially boost their attendance to get the revenue sharing.... bottom line is not how many fans come to the game, but how much you can get a fan to pay for your product..

if i sold seats @ 10$ a pop sure the arena would be full every night... now raise the price up to 70$ and the arena looks like a morgue.

They were at 99% attendance for the year.

Here is a serious question, seeing how you are a Wharton business grad and all..

You have a prospering business (coming off your best profits margins ever) based throughout the state of PA, and really succeeding in Phila. (albeit a bit saturated). You are opening a new shop with the future of your business being in your best interest.

Do you:
A) Open a shop in Philly.
B) Open a shop in the Suburbs.
C) Stay in Pa.
D) Expanded out of state
- jak521

Step 1. is to go get a nice anti-trust exemption.

Step 2 is to mercilessly expand into territories where there is only luke warm interest in my product.

Step 3 is to profit.

Am I doing this right?

that 99% is a misnomer....nhl teams artificially boost their attendance to get the revenue sharing.... bottom line is not how many fans come to the game, but how much you can get a fan to pay for your product..

if i sold seats @ 10$ a pop sure the arena would be full every night... now raise the price up to 70$ and the arena looks like a morgue.
- Philly1980

Went to a game in NJ this year for the first time. Lower bowl seats there are $80 at face value.

Comparable seats, at face value at the WFC are almost DOUBLE that.

Nikolai Zherdev is having his KHL contract terminated. First line winger problem solved.
- Jsaquella

Went to a game in NJ this year for the first time. Lower bowl seats there are $80 at face value.

Comparable seats, at face value at the WFC are almost DOUBLE that.
- johndewar

yeah..i live in queens, so i get to goto islanders games when they play the flyers...the lower bowl is all flyers fans...want to know why? because tickets are 50$ for two rows away from the ice.

Went to a game in NJ this year for the first time. Lower bowl seats there are $80 at face value.

Comparable seats, at face value at the WFC are almost DOUBLE that.
- johndewar

Ill be the first to say that part of the problem is the over saturation in that market. You have 3 teams 30 minutes apart. Even when they were winning cups they had a marginal following compared to teams like Boston, TO, MTl, Phi, etc.

Believe it or not, that's a 3-liter.
- jmatchett383

Step 1. is to go get a nice anti-trust exemption.

Step 2 is to mercilessly expand into territories where there is only luke warm interest in my product.

Step 3 is to profit.

Am I doing this right?
- johndewar

The point is that by getting a team in Dallas, you are broadening your horizons. The more people watching in the States, the more people getting to see games in the states, the better it is for the NHL..

They were at 99% attendance for the year.

Here is a serious question, seeing how you are a Wharton business grad and all..

You have a prospering business (coming off your best profits margins ever) based throughout the state of PA, and really succeeding in Phila. (albeit a bit saturated). You are opening a new shop with the future of your business being in your best interest.

Do you:
A) Open a shop in Philly.
B) Open a shop in the Suburbs.
C) Stay in Pa.
D) Expanded out of state
- jak521

E) Do some socioeconomic research on several markets to make sure that the next maket im entering has interest in my product. Pick the best one.

in the nhl case they picked based on the size of US tv markets...which sounds smart but it failed miserably.

The point is that by getting a team in Dallas, you are broadening your horizons. The more people watching in the States, the more people getting to see games in the states, the better it is for the NHL..
- jak521

except no one watches.... would you rather have a stanley cup between chicago and boston or Nashville, phoenix and boston.

The point is that by getting a team in Dallas, you are broadening your horizons. The more people watching in the States, the more people getting to see games in the states, the better it is for the NHL..
- jak521

by your logic i should start putting teams in mexico. the tijuana cartels....richie and cartsy will be begging to go there.

The point is that by getting a team in Dallas, you are broadening your horizons. The more people watching in the States, the more people getting to see games in the states, the better it is for the NHL..
- jak521

I understand your point, but I guess I resent being the one that has to foot the bill for it and then on the flip side, get sideways glances when I try to improve my own product.

When I go down to watch the Flyers,I don't root for the NHL as an entity. I don't buy merchandise sporting the NHL logo. I root for the Flyers to win the Stanley Cup. And how they handle their business is my only concern.....not how Nashville's owners get it done (or some other small market).

Step 1. is to go get a nice anti-trust exemption.

Step 2 is to mercilessly expand into territories where there is only luke warm interest in my product.

Step 3 is to profit.

Am I doing this right?
- johndewar

And I didn't mean to imply that the NHL has an anti-trust exemption, because I'm pretty sure they don't have the protection that baseball has. I'm sure they have something, though, to enable them to pool funds from National TV contracts.

I understand your point, but I guess I resent being the one that has to foot the bill for it and then on the flip side, get sideways glances when I try to improve my own product.

When I go down to watch the Flyers,I don't root for the NHL as an entity. I don't buy merchandise sporting the NHL logo. I root for the Flyers to win the Stanley Cup. And how they handle their business is my only concern.....not how Nashville's owners get it done (or some other small market).
- johndewar

But the rest of the League doing better, can help the Flyers win the Stanley Cup. That's the entire point.

by your logic i should start putting teams in mexico. the tijuana cartels....richie and cartsy will be begging to go there.
- Philly1980

Wait, the blow is better there than in LA?

E) Do some socioeconomic research on several markets to make sure that the next maket im entering has interest in my product. Pick the best one.

in the nhl case they picked based on the size of US tv markets...which sounds smart but it failed miserably.
- Philly1980

The idea was to generate interest in those markets, not just go to markets already buying hockey. The long term goal is to get a TV contract worth huge money, a la NFL. Maybe not as much as NFL, but that's the logic.

The trouble is, generating interest there is a very long term process.

E) Do some socioeconomic research on several markets to make sure that the next maket im entering has interest in my product. Pick the best one.

in the nhl case they picked based on the size of US tv markets...which sounds smart but it failed miserably.
- Philly1980

That I wont argue.

The Parent Company would. But would the parent Company want one of their franchises going for blood against another? You didn't answer the question, you avoided it. And were finding out who understands the business.
- MJL

Then the parent company should change the rules as I mentioned in my initial post. They can do that. The NHL should be mad. They have a different agenda than Snider and holmgren.

Just sell tix/broadcast Flyers intra-squad games. Get rid of those loser franchises.