Happens all the time at drafts but one of those players will probably be there at #7.
- stveshdy

I'd be stunned if that was the case.

I'd be stunned if that was the case.
- Jsaquella

Seems to always happen. A player that's rated to go top five falls out during the draft.

Seems to always happen. A player that's rated to go top five falls out during the draft.
- stveshdy

This year, they seem locked in...Nichushkin has risen since he made it clear that he will play in the NHL immediately

I'd be stunned if that was the case.
- Jsaquella

nice Linseman for Howe mention earlier, still hurting a bit as he, (the rat), was my favorite player at the time, but it was a much needed deal at the time

I dont buy that whole mono deal, I just dont. Thats like saying if Jones broke his foot or missed some time he would have slipped. A top 3 player is a top 3 player regardless of a temporary illness. I think Coots is a good player, but I think he was drafted where he should have been.
- flyerfan28

if mackinon got mono would he drop to 7th?

Bryz is average to below average since being here. Why risk being stuck with that terrible contract? Time to move on.
- stveshdy

move on to who?

This year, they seem locked in...Nichushkin has risen since he made it clear that he will play in the NHL immediately
- Jsaquella

All it takes is one team to fall in love with someone and totally screw up the order. Maybe your right and it won't happen but you never know.

move on to who?
- 2Real

Mason for this year. Unless they trade for Bernier.

Bryzgalov is not the answer. He has been an average goalie at best and for 5M+ he's not worth keeping around. Keeping him for another year really does nothing. The team is going to move on without him at some point (buyout this/next year). Why wait? The Flyers are no better off with him than without him.

They can get the same production for less money.

I think this may be the offseason Yandle gets dealt because I just wonder what the budget will be for payroll, no matter who owns it. I have to believe they don't want to be anywhere near the ceiling. Can they financially afford 3 players making over $5 million/year with OEL's extension starting. Certainly OEL and Doan aren't going anywhere. Not to mention, Smith is an UFA looking for a raise. I think he can be traded for, the Yotes definitely need forward help with a reasonable cap hit.
- ravishingone

Yandle is not that alpha #1, top 5 NHL man, but he's in that next tier, of highly productive offensive defensemen, in say, the top 15 D men of the league While he's not a defnesive stalwart, he's not big liability on the defensive end, and his ability to move the puck out of the defensive zone and push the play toward the other end of the ice is, in itself, a good defensive asset.

I know a lot of Flyer fans see huge upside for Coots, but I don't see a lot of thought about the possibility that this type of upside doesn't pan out. That needs to be considered in terms of risk and his value in trade. Personally, and I have said this before, I would trade Coots for Yandle straight up. While the former is a young player valued on mostly his youth, draft pedigree and potential, the latter is a player entering his prime who is valued on his proven ability to perform in the NHL...also considered is the premium required to acquire an upper echelon D man in trade is high. I would consider Schenn in the same category and would do a straight up deal for Yandle with him too....problem is, I don't think the Yotes do it...they'd probably ask for a 1st rd'er and/or another good young prospect or roster player...I'd be hesitant to go much beyond maybe a 2nd rd pick or B level prospect or 3rd/4th liner as a sweetener...perhaps if they'd take Meszaros that could work too...but I'm not giving both Coots sand Schenn or a package consisting of one of them plus other A level assets...if there's no deal to be made, then so be it.

Yandle is not that alpha #1, top 5 NHL man, but he's in that next tier, of highly productive offensive defensemen, in say, the top 15 D men of the league While he's not a defnesive stalwart, he's not big liability on the defensive end, and his ability to move the puck out of the defensive zone and push the play toward the other end of the is is, in itself, a good defensive asset.

I know a lot of Flyer fans see huge upside for Coots, but I don't see a lot of thought about the possibility that this type of upside doesn't pan out. That needs to be considered in terms of risk and his value in trade. Personally, and I have said this before, I would trade Coots for Yandle straight up. While the former is a young player valued on mostly his youth, draft pedigree and potential, the latter is a player entering his prime who is valued on his proven ability to perform in the NHL...also considered is the premium required to acquire an upper echelon D man in trade is high. I would consider Schenn in the same category and would do a straight up deal for Yandle with him too....problem is, I don't think the Yotes do it...they'd probably ask for a 1st rd'er and/or another good young prospect or roster player...I'd be hesitant to go much beyond maybe a 2nd rd pick or B level prospect or 3rd/4th liner as a sweetener...perhaps if they'd take Meszaros that could work too...but I'm not giving both Coots sand Schenn or a package consisting of one of them plus other A level assets...if there's no deal to be made, then so be it.
- exlund

in bold, yeh, I like our young centers but you have to give to get when it comes to established D men, especially one's that can play in your top 4.

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see JVR for Schenn, example

If we trade Couturier to Edmonton for the #7, and a defensive prospect, then flip the #7 and #11 and get into the top 5, Barkov or Nichushkin can be ours. I love Couts, but that would be hard to resist. With Laughton looking like he might stick as a 3C starting next season, adding Barkov or Nichushkin to our top 6 would be prime.

I'm not in favour of dealing Couts or Schenn, but you have to give to get. If we're dangling Couts for an upgrade on D, we're looking at targeting Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Edler, and Yandle. I'd say AP is not gonna happen, but the other 3 are distinct possibilities.

Edler/Yandle/Shattenkirk-Schenn
Timonen-Coburn
Grossmann-Gustafsson

That's not too shabby. Some scenarios we have to consider. Merely buying out Bryz and/or Briere this off-season isn't enough to give me faith we'll be much better next season. I'd prefer to drop Lavy as coach, trade Briere, CBO Bryz, run with Mason and sign Emery, and figure out which of the above situations would be best for us.

if mackinon got mono would he drop to 7th?
- 2Real

Absolultely not, would still take him #1 or #2 and not think twice.

Yandle is not that alpha #1, top 5 NHL man, but he's in that next tier, of highly productive offensive defensemen, in say, the top 15 D men of the league While he's not a defnesive stalwart, he's not big liability on the defensive end, and his ability to move the puck out of the defensive zone and push the play toward the other end of the is is, in itself, a good defensive asset.

I know a lot of Flyer fans see huge upside for Coots, but I don't see a lot of thought about the possibility that this type of upside doesn't pan out. That needs to be considered in terms of risk and his value in trade. Personally, and I have said this before, I would trade Coots for Yandle straight up. While the former is a young player valued on mostly his youth, draft pedigree and potential, the latter is a player entering his prime who is valued on his proven ability to perform in the NHL...also considered is the premium required to acquire an upper echelon D man in trade is high. I would consider Schenn in the same category and would do a straight up deal for Yandle with him too....problem is, I don't think the Yotes do it...they'd probably ask for a 1st rd'er and/or another good young prospect or roster player...I'd be hesitant to go much beyond maybe a 2nd rd pick or B level prospect or 3rd/4th liner as a sweetener...perhaps if they'd take Meszaros that could work too...but I'm not giving both Coots sand Schenn or a package consisting of one of them plus other A level assets...if there's no deal to be made, then so be it.
- exlund

I touched on it earlier. If Couturier turns into Patrice Bergeron, maybe he is too big a price to pay for a Yandle or Shattenkirk. But what if he never reaches that potential offense and is more a Hanzal type guy? Then obviously Yandle or Shattenkirk is more than enough compensation.

Trading Couturier or Schenn or any young player is a bit of a crapshoot.

I touched on it earlier. If Couturier turns into Patrice Bergeron, maybe he is too big a price to pay for a Yandle or Shattenkirk. But what if he never reaches that potential offense and is more a Hanzal type guy? Then obviously Yandle or Shattenkirk is more than enough compensation.

Trading Couturier or Schenn or any young player is a bit of a crapshoot.
- Jsaquella

For whatever reason I think Couts is a guy we simply should not trade, for any reason unless it's simply too much too pass on. would have to be a massive overpayment. Think this kid is going to have a long, phenomenal career.

I touched on it earlier. If Couturier turns into Patrice Bergeron, maybe he is too big a price to pay for a Yandle or Shattenkirk. But what if he never reaches that potential offense and is more a Hanzal type guy? Then obviously Yandle or Shattenkirk is more than enough compensation.

Trading Couturier or Schenn or any young player is a bit of a crapshoot.
- Jsaquella

True, but even in that "worst case" scenario where Coots becomes a Selke level player, the Flyers still will have acquired a proven, higher end D man in his prime at a decent cap hit, which mitigates that risk substantially...contrast that with the JVR/Schenn trade...Schenn is/was a lot less of a proven commodity at the time of the trade, so the risk of the Flyers end of the deal for giving up JVR was a lot greater, in a sense, than a Cooter for Yandle, as you more or less know what you're getting in Yandle from day one, as opposed to hoping the player can further develop and fulfill upside, something that may never materialize.

For whatever reason I think Couts is a guy we simply should not trade, for any reason unless it's simply too much too pass on. would have to be a massive overpayment. Think this kid is going to have a long, phenomenal career.
- wilsonecho91

I'm not really seeing that as a foregone conclusion at this point. Don't get me wrong, I like the kid... but he has a long way to go and I think it's far too early to make any conclusions as to his career potential...but that doesn't seem to stop people from breaking out the annointing oil.

True, but even in that "worst case" scenario where Coots becomes a Selke level player, the Flyers still will have acquired a proven, higher end D man in his prime at a decent cap hit, which mitigates that risk substantially...contrast that with the JVR/Schenn trade...Schenn is/was a lot less of a proven commodity at the time of the trade, so the risk of the Flyers end of the deal for giving up JVR was a lot greater, in a sense, than a Cooter for Yandle, as you more or less know what you're getting in Yandle from day one, as opposed to hoping the player can further develop and fulfill upside, something that may never materialize.
- exlund

Those are valid points. I've been kicking the idea around, and I'm more open to it than before, not sure that I'd jump, but it's definitely something to consider.

For whatever reason I think Couts is a guy we simply should not trade, for any reason unless it's simply too much too pass on. would have to be a massive overpayment. Think this kid is going to have a long, phenomenal career.
- wilsonecho91

I don't advocate it, but I am open to it. It's not a case where I'd be shopping Couturier.

I don't advocate it, but I am open to it. It's not a case where I'd be shopping Couturier.
- Jsaquella

I know. Don't like seeing his name being bandied about in the MSM though.

I know. Don't like seeing his name being bandied about in the MSM though.
- wilsonecho91

I've resolved to hold my angst until a trade happens.

I've resolved to hold my angst until a trade happens.
- Jsaquella

Good idea

http://www.thestar.com/sp...ler_than_most_nhlers.html

Lindros v2.0

Cant wait for the Flyers to trade coots for nobody because this organization is so (frank)ing impatience. Just to watch him turn into a stud somewhere else...

Cant wait for the Flyers to trade coots for nobody because this organization is so (frank)ing impatience. Just to watch him turn into a stud somewhere else...
- Winning

It happens about every 5 years or so because we never draft D men in round 1.

For whatever reason I think Couts is a guy we simply should not trade, for any reason unless it's simply too much too pass on. would have to be a massive overpayment. Think this kid is going to have a long, phenomenal career.
- wilsonecho91

Boston has Chara and Rask, but do they get as far without Patrice Bergeron?

Couturier could come close to that player and I wouldn't trade him. They have other assets they can move for a defensive upgrade.