CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Ryane Clowe ($4.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Kent Huskins ($0.800m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
Ray Emery ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,045,595; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $3,054,405

Compiled by TSN's Scott Cullen...actually works for me
- Jsaquella

*Emery would be a great pick up for the Flyers
*How did we move Meszaros?
*The Bartulis buyout could be perfect timing.
*Not that I ever had a real issue with Huskins but do we want to keep him as long as we're stuck with the very brutal Bruno Gervais for another season?
*After last season, I would prefer Gagne over Clowe. Gagne isn't going to bring that same grit and toughness but I'm not sure we should have too many of the same player (Hartnell, Simmonds Clowe). Clowe could go scoreless again for along stretch at 4 million but Gagne could go scoreless for along stretch at half of that, while helping in other areas (balanced 2 way game 5 on 5, PK, second unit PP).

It's become apparent to me that I don't understand the new CBA rules about keeping cap and/or salary. Can a team keep actual salary, while getting the full cap hit off the books?
- BulliesPhan87

I don't know what the exact formula is, but retaining salary in a trade is not Cap free money. The team retaining the salary will still have to account for that money on the Cap. There is no free money.

Okay. Damn. Got me all excited.
- jmatchett383

It would still be awesome because you'd have all the guys in the game that aren't there now. Plus some people put together history teams and seasons. For example, some rosters in the vault for The Show might be the 1993 season.

I don't know what the exact formula is, but retaining salary in a trade is not Cap free money. The team retaining the salary will still have to account for that money on the Cap. There is no free money.
- MJL

Thought so. Wait, you mean to tell me you haven't finished memorizing the new CBA yet? It's been available for almost a few days now!

None of that stuff is needed. All you have to do is watch the player play. It's clear he is a special player. Not going to be a superstar by any means. But he's a player you just win with. And doesn't need to record a single point in the game to be the best forward on the ice.
- MJL

Right, I'm not going to let stats change how I feel about a player when I watch him play, but I've seen the Corsi metric referenced a few times on this site and am curious what it's all about.

And again, like we said, Couts and Schenn are 20 and 21 respectively and already have 2 seasons (calendar if not games) of experience under their belts. I expect a step forward from both of them this upcoming season when compared to the last.

It would still be awesome because you'd have all the guys in the game that aren't there now. Plus some people put together history teams and seasons. For example, some rosters in the vault for The Show might be the 1993 season.
- NickTheKid87

But they're user-created players/teams, right?

Thought so. Wait, you mean to tell me you haven't finished memorizing the new CBA yet? It's been available for almost a few days now!
- BulliesPhan87

Well it's a process. For me at least, reading a section of the CBA once, is never enough. Most times you're more confused after reading it. Kinda need to read it umpteen times to wrap your head around it!

Jarome Iginla 2-yr contract 5mill per season.

thoughts?
- MrBigglesworth

If the Flyers did this with Jerome, I would be perfectly fine with it. I think this would be a good signing for the Flyers who need scoring but not so much for the Pens. Well, maybe not so much a bad signing for the Pens but more so not a great situation for Jerome. I thought he looked like a role player for the Pens. Prior to the trade with the Flames, I thought Jerome was still doing a good job or carrying that franchise on his back.

Well it's a process. For me at least, reading a section of the CBA once, is never enough. Most times you're more confused after reading it. Kinda need to read it umpteen times to wrap your head around it!
- MJL

I'm intimidated by the table of contents alone. I think I've got a firm understanding of everything in articles 36 through 46, though.

In terms of Cap hit, that is incorrect. Because they buried Walker in the minors and all of Gagne's cap hit was removed from the cap in trading him. In terms of salary, it's an interesting way of looking at it. But as a fan, that didn't have a lot of effect on me. I don't care how much money the Flyers pay out. Cap space on the other hand, effects the team they put on the ice. The only effect it had Cap wise was the minor effect on the off season Cap.
- MJL

Sorry, but I am correct. When they traded for Walker, the intention was to carry him on the roster as 6th/7th defenseman in which case they would have saved 1.8 million as the difference between Gagne and his cap hit. The fact that they buried him in the minors because he couldn't make the roster is a SEPARATE transaction. They could have buried Gagne in the minors in 2011 and saved all 3.5million off their cap as well.

This is some twisted logic here. Pronger is owed a little over 12M in salary for the remainder of his contract. So if the Flyers retain 6M of it, the team taking on Pronger would have to pay 6M for a player that isn't going to play. And if the Flyers take a player that will actually play for 5M. That's a 1M difference that the team is still going to have to pay out. Not to mention taking on a player that will bever play, and paying him 6M. Fail to see how that's a net cash flow

To use your logic then, why would the Flyers buy out Briere or Bryz when they'll have to pay them for not playing?

The scenarios I'm describing would be used when the other team wants to get rid of a player who has some playing value but where they cannot find a partner because of the cap hit. Teams in EVERY sport (where rules permit) often do this. Example: Mike Hampton, Alex Rodriguez.

The team would look at it like they will not pay for a player they can only dump via buyout, keep a cap hit and "only" pay Pronger 6 million. Oh, and probably still get some asset for the player they want to get rid of.

In terms of Cap hit, that is incorrect. Because they buried Walker in the minors and all of Gagne's cap hit was removed from the cap in trading him. In terms of salary, it's an interesting way of looking at it. But as a fan, that didn't have a lot of effect on me. I don't care how much money the Flyers pay out. Cap space on the other hand, effects the team they put on the ice. The only effect it had Cap wise was the minor effect on the off season Cap.





This is some twisted logic here. Pronger is owed a little over 12M in salary for the remainder of his contract. So if the Flyers retain 6M of it, the team taking on Pronger would have to pay 6M for a player that isn't going to play. And if the Flyers take a player that will actually play for 5M. That's a 1M difference that the team is still going to have to pay out. Not to mention taking on a player that will bever play, and paying him 6M. Fail to see how that's a net cash flow.
- MJL

Pronger will most likely be traded after the 14-15 season. At that point he will have 2 years left with his current cap hit of 4.925 million but will only receive 1.05 million in total pay for the 2 seasons. At that point, a team struggling to reach what will be a much higher cap floor than today will be happy to pick up his contract.

Until then, the Flyers are stuck with him as no team is going to pay him 7 million this year or 4 million next just to reach the floor.

I would like to give Brayden Schenn someone with some offensive talent to play with.

Not sure if Iginla is the answer, but I definitely think that 2nd line needs some help. I don't think I'd even pull Jake off of that first line at this point. I think he's locked in there.

Definitely need some secondary scoring help.
- johndewar

I would sign Jagr for 1 year and put him on Schenn's line.

why would the Flyers buy out Briere or Bryz when they'll have to pay them for not playing?
- TheGreat28

Because the Flyers aren't a cash strapped team.

Pronger will most likely be traded after the 14-15 season. At that point he will have 2 years left with his current cap hit of 4.925 million but will only receive 1.05 million in total pay for the 2 seasons. At that point, a team struggling to reach what will be a much higher cap floor than today will be happy to pick up his contract.

Until then, the Flyers are stuck with him as no team is going to pay him 7 million this year or 4 million next just to reach the floor.
- BiggE

I'll just add "if he's traded" to this. But yes, this year and next year are not the time he will be traded, if at all.

But they're user-created players/teams, right?
- jmatchett383

The players are user created if they are not already in the game and placed on the teams within the game. You can't create an entirely new team in the Show although you can in NHL 13.

I would sign Jagr for 1 year and put him on Schenn's line.
- BiggE

Agreed. Can move up to the 1st line if needed.

The players are user created if they are not already in the game and placed on the teams within the game. You can't create an entirely new team in the Show although you can in NHL 13.
- NickTheKid87

Gotcha.
Man, if I had the time, I'd recreate this 1987 Flyers/Oilers, as well as the Flyers' Cup years.

I would sign Jagr for 1 year and put him on Schenn's line.
- BiggE

I would think that wherever Jagr signs, the role he plays and who he plays with, is going to be important to him.

IOW, would Jagr play with BSchenn?

I would prefer something like this:

Hartnell - Giroux - Ryder
Simmonds - Schenn - Voracek
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Laughton - Talbot
McGinn, Rosehill

Schenn - Timonen
Coburn - Gustafsson
Grossmann - Meszaros
Huskins/Whoever, Lauridsen, Bourdon

Emery
Mason

Sorry, but I am correct. When they traded for Walker, the intention was to carry him on the roster as 6th/7th defenseman in which case they would have saved 1.8 million as the difference between Gagne and his cap hit. The fact that they buried him in the minors because he couldn't make the roster is a SEPARATE transaction. They could have buried Gagne in the minors in 2011 and saved all 3.5million off their cap as well.


- TheGreat28

You can speculate that was the intention all you want. The facts are that they buried him and removed all of the Cap hit. That's all that matters. And that's the whole reason they made the trade. To buy cap space. The Flyers weren't going to do that to Gagne.

To use your logic then, why would the Flyers buy out Briere or Bryz when they'll have to pay them for not playing?

The scenarios I'm describing would be used when the other team wants to get rid of a player who has some playing value but where they cannot find a partner because of the cap hit. Teams in EVERY sport (where rules permit) often do this. Example: Mike Hampton, Alex Rodriguez.

The team would look at it like they will not pay for a player they can only dump via buyout, keep a cap hit and "only" pay Pronger 6 million. Oh, and probably still get some asset for the player they want to get rid of.
- TheGreat28

They would buy them out because they can't trade them. If they want to remove Briere and Bryzgalov from the roster, and a team is willing to trade for them, the Flyers will gladly do so. Instead of paying out that money. Using a CBO on a player on your roster, is completely different from trading for a player you know is never going to play, and taking on the players salary. Pronger does not have any playing value. It's simply not realistic. Not impossible, because nothing ever is. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Gotcha.
Man, if I had the time, I'd recreate this 1987 Flyers/Oilers, as well as the Flyers' Cup years.
- jmatchett383

You can bet someone would and then you could just download it. How awesome would that be?

Pronger will most likely be traded after the 14-15 season. At that point he will have 2 years left with his current cap hit of 4.925 million but will only receive 1.05 million in total pay for the 2 seasons. At that point, a team struggling to reach what will be a much higher cap floor than today will be happy to pick up his contract.

Until then, the Flyers are stuck with him as no team is going to pay him 7 million this year or 4 million next just to reach the floor.
- BiggE

And the Flyers can retain half of that. Now that is a far more realistic scenario. Perhaps even likely.

You can bet someone would and then you could just download it. How awesome would that be?
- NickTheKid87

That would be extremely fun. I think Schultz would have around 800 PIM/season.

Something that might be even more fun would be putting the 83/84 Oilers against the 91/92 Penguins.

Gretzky
Messier
Kurri
Andersson
Coffey
Lowe
Fuhr

vs

Lemieux
Jagr
Francis
Mullen
Stevens
Recchi
Tocchet
Coffey
Murphy
Barasso

Because the Flyers aren't a cash strapped team.
- BulliesPhan87

OK, so a cash strapped team that is stuck with a bad contract is either going to pay that player full value of the contract or dump it on someone else. Example, Rick DiPietro. Now, no one is going to take on that contract. But there are other cases where the remaining years are not so bad that might work.

Also, what if they assets they are getting back justify paying 6 million (half) of Pronger's contract? For example, say the Flyers wanted Visnovsky, but would have a problem due to cap hit, even after buying out Briere. Islanders would also have a problem trading Visnovsky as they really need his cap hit. The Flyers could trade Pronger plus Read (or whoever gets it done), get Visnovsky for 2 years and then 2 "cap free" years at the backend where they would have had to pay Pronger but now are rid of him.

I agree though, most likely case is either next year or 2 years from now.

That would be extremely fun. I think Schultz would have around 800 PIM/season.
- jmatchett383

His fighting skill and aggressiveness would be 99 for sure.