would you do Bogosian and Kane for Couturier and Gus?

would you do Bogosian and Kane for Couturier and Gus?
- flyersfan51

You're joking right?

I dont get all the Buyfuglien hate...

One article about him being 302lbs (which i dont buy -- unless they fudged his weight going into the season...nobody gains 35lbs in an nhl season) and his value is essentially less than Douglas Murrays.....

It doesnt seem like his attitude is bad enough to cause that.

i dont get it.

EDIT: i know im going back to page 3 comments
- Joel_Eh

He just seems crazy at times in my opinion. Get him working harder and I'll take him on the Flyers...

You're joking right?
- jak521

he meant wheeler k wellwood

There is no question that the Flyers expected too much too soon but I think it had more to do with Briere spending along stretch out of the line up. Schenn and Couturier were going to have big roles anyway but Briere's injury made their roles even bigger. I don't think anyone here is giving them an F as far as grading. It was just a season to forget.

My concerns are faceoffs for both players. I'd like to get some off the weight off of Giroux in terms of faceoffs taken. From my understanding Couturier was a good faceoff man in junior, he's got to make that a specialty again. I thought he was much better at the dot his first season, then his second.

I think I might be in the minority that Brayden Schenn will be a better all around player then Sean Couturier but I feel all the pressure is on Couturier because many feel differently then I do. I feel Schenn can be the more physical player. I feel Schenn is more willing to go to the more dirty areas. I feel Schenn will be the more gifted offensive player. Couturier is easily by the far the better defensive forward but I feel Schenn could be better defensively then what he has shown.

I don't think you'll see as many fights from Sean Couturier. I think you'll see him get get pushed around and knocked off the puck easily for a little while longer but I'm sure that will change with confidence and building that tall lanky frame.

These are our center pieces along with Giroux. I wouldn't get rid of any of these guys for nothing! Not even Shea Weber.
- dingo8urbaby

Actually, I kinda agree with you on Schenn vs. Couturier. Actually, even though Laughton is not / will never be as good as Coots, I like the mix of Schenn/Laughton + assets acquired for Coots better than the mix of Coots/Laughton+whatever assets you get for Schenn.

And a small factor is keeping Schenn brothers together. Having Brayden around was possibly a small component of Luke's huge step forward this year.

would you do Bogosian and Kane for Couturier and Gus?
- flyersfan51

Where do I sign crazy man.

Actually, I kinda agree with you on Schenn vs. Couturier. Actually, even though Laughton is not / will never be as good as Coots, I like the mix of Schenn/Laughton + assets acquired for Coots better than the mix of Coots/Laughton+whatever assets you get for Schenn.

And a small factor is keeping Schenn brothers together. Having Brayden around was possibly a small component of Luke's huge step forward this year.
- TheGreat28

I think exactly what those assets would be is a huge factor in making such a comparison.

As a fan, I'd love to keep the Schenn bros together. I wouldn't let it hinder me from a good trade, though.

It's not the possible 45-50 points that's supposed to impress you, it's the ceiling of his defensive game when he's already the best defensive forward on the team at age 20. His upper limit is a middle-class man's Jonathon Toews at this point.
- JAKEw1234

A middle-class Towes... so he is projected to be Mike Richards in 3-4 years, at best.

People keep saying they are 5-6 players away, blah blah... Well how do you expect to get those 5-6 players unless you go out and get them. They wont fall into your lap. In the time it takes these young guys to develop, your current guys are falling off and opening more holes.... that needs another 3-4 years to fill.

I say make the moves. Homer did a great thing in the Richards and Carter trade, He took 2 players and turned them into 4 players with slightly less to equal value in 2 years. So you keep 3 of those pieces and move 1 for a position you need.

In order for the Flyers to make a serious run for the Cup here is what I think they will need.

1. 2 puck moving d-men. 1 though trade, and 1 maybe your draft pick or UFA or a lesser trade.

2. Stable Goaltending. Whether its Bryz, Mason, or a traded for or signed goalie.

3. 2 forwards. A defensive Center with size, and a top 6 Center or Winger.

Is it too hard for this to happen? I dont think so. Can you get Shattenkirk or Yandle for a slight package with Couturier... yes.

Can you land Bernier for Read, plus maybe a pick. From what I heard, yes.

Can Homer with the Briere and Bryz buy-out sign either Horton/Weiss and Zubrus/Antripov? IMO yes.

Is the below a team that can compete for a Cup?

Hartnell-Giroux-Voacek
Horton-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Zubrus/Antripov-Talbot
Raffl/McGinn-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Yandle/Shattenkirk
Ristolenian/FA-Gustefsson or Meszaros


or

Hartnell-Giroux-Voacek
Schenn-Weiss-Simmonds
Gagne-Zubrus/Antripov-Talbot
Raffl/McGinn-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Yandle/Shattenkirk
Ristolenian/FA-Gustefsson or Meszaros

Probable...But at the same time, Greg Sherman is a moron
- Jsaquella

Glorified accountant. Personally, I like Varlamov--he shows great athleticism and positioning and just needs to work on his consistency and get a D in front of him, but at the time of that trade he was on the verge of heading to the KHL and pretty much everyone knew it.

I think that if that were the case... we would make that deal.. But trading Couts for a guy like Smid is a mistake. Hell, trading him for Edler isnt ideal to me.
- jak521

Completely agree on Smid. Probably agree on Edler. Edler would depend on other moves because of his age. If there are other moves that get you the 3-4 more pieces you need to compete next year, then yes. I don't think that's likely tho so I'd rather have someone around 22-23 that can grow with the other forwards.

Does anybody think I am crazy for thinking that Seth Jones will end up going 2-4?

I think exactly what those assets would be is a huge factor in making such a comparison.

As a fan, I'd love to keep the Schenn bros together. I wouldn't let it hinder me from a good trade, though.
- BulliesPhan87

Fair points on both statements.

Actually, I kinda agree with you on Schenn vs. Couturier. Actually, even though Laughton is not / will never be as good as Coots, I like the mix of Schenn/Laughton + assets acquired for Coots better than the mix of Coots/Laughton+whatever assets you get for Schenn.

And a small factor is keeping Schenn brothers together. Having Brayden around was possibly a small component of Luke's huge step forward this year.
- TheGreat28

Exactly! You definitely need a Brayden Schenn and one of Couturier or Laughton type player. Personally I feel we wasted a first round pick on Laughton. We officially put pressure on a kid that I feel we could have scooped up in later rounds. Could I be wrong with my assessment, I could very well be but we won't know until they're all playing (Laughton included).

Does anybody think I am crazy for thinking that Seth Jones will end up going 2-4?
- jak521

I think I'll be surprised whenever he goes. Not sure if that makes any sense.

Does anybody think I am crazy for thinking that Seth Jones will end up going 2-4?
- jak521

Yep! Jones has a lot of connections in the Colorado area.

Yes, Datsyuk is.
- jmatchett383

Datsyuk is an exception. I'm sorry, but I really don't see Couturier as the next Datsyuk. Maybe Bergeron, but it's not a lock he reaches that level of offense either. Hope I'm wrong.

Does anybody think I am crazy for thinking that Seth Jones will end up going 2-4?
- jak521

MacK is probably the only guy with a chance to unseat him at #1... Drouin is the one that could actually fall to 4-5 depending on teams' preferences.

Exactly! You definitely need a Brayden Schenn and one of Couturier or Laughton type player. Personally I feel we wasted a first round pick on Laughton. We officially put pressure on a kid that I feel we could have scooped up in later rounds. Could I be wrong with my assessment, I could very well be but we won't know until they're all playing (Laughton included).
- dingo8urbaby

I was not in favor of the Laughton pick either. Might end up a good player, but I wanted Maata. Not that he would cure all of the Flyers problems either. Laughton just seemed redundant given this roster and I was on the draft D early and often bandwagon last year. Also wanted someone like Thrower over Stolarz. Time will tell on all of these players.

I was not in favor of the Laughton pick either. Might end up a good player, but I wanted Maata. Not that he would cure all of the Flyers problems either. Laughton just seemed redundant given this roster and I was on the draft D early and often bandwagon last year. Also wanted someone like Thrower over Stolarz. Time will tell on all of these players.
- TheGreat28

Frk was still available when Stolarz was drafted.

that draft was pretty talented!
8/10 of the top picks were defencemen if that tells you something

MacK is probably the only guy with a chance to unseat him at #1... Drouin is the one that could actually fall to 4-5 depending on teams' preferences.
- Tomahawk

There seems to be a surge in the Barkov/Nichushkin movement but I still think it goes 1, 2, 3 with Drounin going third.

Datsyuk is an exception. I'm sorry, but I really don't see Couturier as the next Datsyuk. Maybe Bergeron, but it's not a lock he reaches that level of offense either. Hope I'm wrong.
- TheGreat28

I kind of envision him being a Rod Brind'Amour in Chris Gratton's body.

I would love to see Couturier, Read and Gagne as the 3rd line next year. Good speed, all good defensive players and all three can add scoring. Read is probably a top 6 forward but may be a victim of numbers depending upon off season moves. Of course they would also have to resign Gagne to make this scenario plausible.
- mickel25

Agreed. Gags is a very reliable Defensive player who has learned the right time to jump in and score. I'd love for Coots to spend more time playing with him. I think Gagne has a lot he could teach him. And Read is just super Versatile.

would you do Bogosian and Kane for Couturier and Gus?
- flyersfan51

No, well maybe if I was Winnipeg.

Despite not being a first rounder, Gus has shown just as much poise as Bogo. And Coots > Kane.

A middle-class Towes... so he is projected to be Mike Richards in 3-4 years, at best.

People keep saying they are 5-6 players away, blah blah... Well how do you expect to get those 5-6 players unless you go out and get them. They wont fall into your lap. In the time it takes these young guys to develop, your current guys are falling off and opening more holes.... that needs another 3-4 years to fill.

I say make the moves. Homer did a great thing in the Richards and Carter trade, He took 2 players and turned them into 4 players with slightly less to equal value in 2 years. So you keep 3 of those pieces and move 1 for a position you need.

In order for the Flyers to make a serious run for the Cup here is what I think they will need.

1. 2 puck moving d-men. 1 though trade, and 1 maybe your draft pick or UFA or a lesser trade.

2. Stable Goaltending. Whether its Bryz, Mason, or a traded for or signed goalie.

3. 2 forwards. A defensive Center with size, and a top 6 Center or Winger.

Is it too hard for this to happen? I dont think so. Can you get Shattenkirk or Yandle for a slight package with Couturier... yes.

Can you land Bernier for Read, plus maybe a pick. From what I heard, yes.

Can Homer with the Briere and Bryz buy-out sign either Horton/Weiss and Zubrus/Antripov? IMO yes.

Is the below a team that can compete for a Cup?

Hartnell-Giroux-Voacek
Horton-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Zubrus/Antripov-Talbot
Raffl/McGinn-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Yandle/Shattenkirk
Ristolenian/FA-Gustefsson or Meszaros


or

Hartnell-Giroux-Voacek
Schenn-Weiss-Simmonds
Gagne-Zubrus/Antripov-Talbot
Raffl/McGinn-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Yandle/Shattenkirk
Ristolenian/FA-Gustefsson or Meszaros
- youarewrong

I actually agree with your entire premise. The only place I differ is that I think it might be a little harder than you think, or at least, not a one year fix. I'm not sure either Roster gets it done...maybe yes, maybe no.

The main thing is that I think Ristolainen, while being one of the more NHL-ready defense prospects, is still realistically 2 years away. By then, Kimmo's gone. So who you sign for that big center, top 6 winger etc. needs to be a long term solution. Or you plug for a year and draft a high-ceiling forward next year.

I was not in favor of the Laughton pick either. Might end up a good player, but I wanted Maata. Not that he would cure all of the Flyers problems either. Laughton just seemed redundant given this roster and I was on the draft D early and often bandwagon last year. Also wanted someone like Thrower over Stolarz. Time will tell on all of these players.
- TheGreat28

Redundant is right. Sometimes the best player available is a player of need.

There is so much talk of Matt Read being traded and those people could be right. I'm sure you can get something for a Matt Read with his all around play and cheap, cheap, cheap cap hit to fill a void. I would also look towards trading a modest prospect like Laughton or Cousins for a modest puck moving prospect in return. We always think "Star" or "Star in the making". Let's just get this team better!