That's all true, but Briere has a NTC and only moves when/where he wants. Unfortunately.
- wolfhounds

He will come to Ottawa. He's from across the river in Gatineau (basically a suburb of Ottawa) and I think he still goes home in the offseason.

If there's anywhere he'd waive it for, I would have to think it would be his hometown.

Hopefully, that plays right into the Sens hands.

We're negative even after buying out Bryz and signing Emery to an impossibly low amount to get him for off of the open market. That's a good testament to just how inevitable it is that Danny gets bought out.
- JAKEw1234

Not to mention that I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell that Gagne signs for 1.5M.

Or you could wait for him to get bought out and then get him at a much lower salary from the open market.
- JAKEw1234

He will still make more than 2.5 per on the open market. His cap hit will be lower but his real dollars will be higher. If you're a team that won't be near the cap anyways, why take the chance of him going to market. Just trade a 6th rounder or something inconsequential for him.

If you look at his numbers, he only had ONE bad season. It could be a signal that he's done or it could just be a one-off.

He will still make more than 2.5 per on the open market. His cap hit will be lower but his real dollars will be higher. If you're a team that won't be near the cap anyways, why take the chance of him going to market. Just trade a 6th rounder or something inconsequential for him.

If you look at his numbers, he only had ONE bad season. It could be a signal that he's done or it could just be a one-off.
- Charliebox

You're probably right

He will come to Ottawa. He's from across the river in Gatineau (basically a suburb of Ottawa) and I think he still goes home in the offseason.

If there's anywhere he'd waive it for, I would have to think it would be his hometown.

Hopefully, that plays right into the Sens hands.
- Charliebox

Even if his ambition is to play for the Sens, why would he waive his NMC now? He can just wait to see if Philly buys him out, meaning he gets paid by both teams, and if not, only approve a trade to Ottawa, once it's July and the buyout period is over.

I don't think Briere will be bought out. Someone will trade for him. There are about 15 teams in the league that will be well under the cap next season. While his cap hit is huge (6.5), his salary in real dollars is only 2.5per for the next two years.

That could be a steal for a team if he can stay healthy.

Briere is one of the most clutch guys in the league. He always steps up come playoff time.

I'm a Sens fan, and I'd love Murray to go after him this summer. With such a young team, the Sens won't be anywhere near the cap for the foreseeable future so his cap hit means nothing. Philly won't ask for much in return, if anything. poop, we may be able to land him for a late round draft pick or even future considerations.
- Charliebox

6.5 million dollar cap hit but only paying 2.5 for the next 2 years.... Sign the NY Islanders up for that!!! id take Briere!

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Not to mention that I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell that Gagne signs for 1.5M.
- MJL

It doesn't have to be those players added. Point is it IS possible. Not advocating and not thinkkng Iit will happen. But possible. Gagne for more then 2 and I walk faster then a kid to a broken pinata.no thanks.

6.5 million dollar cap hit but only paying 2.5 for the next 2 years.... Sign the NY Islanders up for that!!! id take Briere!

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

But if he likes he can say no to any deal. I did the math on a different thread and he will make about 5M extra by being bought out. I don't see him approving a trade.

It doesn't have to be those players added. Point is it IS possible. Not advocating and not thinkkng Iit will happen. But possible. Gagne for more then 2 and I walk faster then a kid to a broken pinata.no thanks.
- coffee junkie

I think 2.5 for Gagne might be realistic. And even that might be too low. The Flyers with CBO, Bonus cushion, and LTIR, have plenty of in season cap flexibility. It's the off season that is the problem. All the injuries they had last year didn't help with that.

He's sure saying all of the right things. Hopefully his contract can stay under $5m although I wouldn't be surprised to see him go 3 yrs/$15m. Guessing one of Meszaros-Coburn-Grossman is traded once Streit signs.
- phillydiehard

I see it this way... Homer took a big swing last year on big name d-men, and struck out. This year - there is a lack of big names - so, he's going for middle of the road guys. He goal is to shoot for an overall improvement of the 6-7 d-men without trading talented younger guys. Mission accomplish. The only negative is the price. If his salary is too high, it will limit other moves.

6.5 million dollar cap hit but only paying 2.5 for the next 2 years.... Sign the NY Islanders up for that!!! id take Briere!

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

As a fan... who cares what the actual pay is - its not coming out of your pocket (directly). The cap numbers is what fans should care about, the more pricey the player is the less pricey players you can have.

You can have One 6.5M player or Two 3.25M players. I'd go for a deeper team.

Briere has worked well for us - he's a good guy, excels in the playoffs, etc... But, he has his downside to; disappears for most of the season, a defensive liability, scoring droughts, downside of the career, small and get muscled off the puck.

I think 2.5 for Gagne might be realistic. And even that might be too low. The Flyers with CBO, Bonus cushion, and LTIR, have plenty of in season cap flexibility. It's the off season that is the problem. All the injuries they had last year didn't help with that.
- MJL

Are you suggesting Gags could wait till in sesson to sign a deal? I wiuld go Mcginn over Gags if it is over 1 yr or 2M he wants but just my opinion.

Are you suggesting Gags could wait till in sesson to sign a deal? I wiuld go Mcginn over Gags if it is over 1 yr or 2M he wants but just my opinion.
- coffee junkie

No, I'm not suggesting that. I'm just simply talking about the cap issues.

As a fan... who cares what the actual pay is - its not coming out of your pocket (directly). The cap numbers is what fans should care about, the more pricey the player is the less pricey players you can have.

You can have One 6.5M player or Two 3.25M players. I'd go for a deeper team.

Briere has worked well for us - he's a good guy, excels in the playoffs, etc... But, he has his downside to; disappears for most of the season, a defensive liability, scoring droughts, downside of the career, small and get muscled off the puck.
- leon neon

because Wang would like to have talented players that cost more against the cap then they do to his pocket... he's looking to reach the floor right now.. not the ceiling. So the Cap hit is more important to us, the bigger the better. as long as the cash pay out is small.

hence the reason we traded for Tim Thomas, it was known he wouldnt play, so we got credited his cap hit & didnt have to pay him a cent.

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He will come to Ottawa. He's from across the river in Gatineau (basically a suburb of Ottawa) and I think he still goes home in the offseason.

If there's anywhere he'd waive it for, I would have to think it would be his hometown.

Hopefully, that plays right into the Sens hands.
- Charliebox

Briere also has a child custody situation that could be troublesome if he agree to play in Ottawa. Also, why agree to a trade when he can be bought out and then sign a new deal and make more money, while have a free choice among several teams?

Briere also has a child custody situation that could be troublesome if he agree to play in Ottawa. Also, why agree to a trade when he can be bought out and then sign a new deal and make more money, while have a free choice among several teams?
- Jsaquella

Was the child custody situation applicable when he played in Germany during the lockout? Honest question, as I don't live locally in Philly and don't follow that off-ice stuff as closely.

Briere also has a child custody situation that could be troublesome if he agree to play in Ottawa. Also, why agree to a trade when he can be bought out and then sign a new deal and make more money, while have a free choice among several teams?
- Jsaquella

so he is going back to Buffalo?

Well, here we go again. We either sign the old guy that is on the downside, or we have a young guy that has yet to develop that we will trade right before he does (see Sharp, Seidenberg, etc...). Until we stop being loyal to the "Old Flyers Gang," I really don't see a change in sight; give them a box seat instead. Since we are running out of prospects, it's finally catching up with us. Streit might be good as a stop gap for a few seasons, but anything over 2 or 3 is going to bite us. I really hate those long term and overpriced deals.
To get us away from cap problems here is who should go:
Briere ($3,000,000), Knuble, Fedotenko, Hall, Rosehill, Shelly, Gervais, Foster, Coburn ($5,500,000), and Maszaros ($5,500,000). Capgeek numbers.
Here is who should stay: Gagne, Read, and Bryz.
That being said, the forwards for next season should be: G., Voracek, Hartz, Simmonds, Couts, Gagne, Akeson, Shenn, Read, McGinn, Talbot, and Rinaldo.
Laughton, and Raffl are your subs.
The defense should be: Timonen, Schenn, Gus, Grossman, Streit, and Lauridsen.
Manning, and Huskins could be the subs.
Your goalies: stick with Bryz one more season, and Mason.
This is a younger, and in my opinion stronger group. You wouldn't have to worry about cap space, or as many injuries. In addition, Timonen could reduce his minutes, and get some rest, and recovery time. Finally, you wouldn't be dependent on the trade deadline, and you can stick with the group for a couple of seasons to let the younger players develop.
You may not have your number one D-man, but at least you didn't give up everything else to get him. In addition, these guys might gel in the locker room, and make a solid team. Roll the lines on a regular basis, and you might be healthy, and not as tired come playoff time.
Coaching change time? Paddock? He did well with the Phantoms. Just a thought.
Thanks for not throwing apples or oranges at me.

Well, here we go again. We either sign the old guy that is on the downside, or we have a young guy that has yet to develop that we will trade right before he does (see Sharp, Seidenberg, etc...). Until we stop being loyal to the "Old Flyers Gang," I really don't see a change in sight; give them a box seat instead. Since we are running out of prospects, it's finally catching up with us. Streit might be good as a stop gap for a few seasons, but anything over 2 or 3 is going to bite us. I really hate those long term and overpriced deals.
To get us away from cap problems here is who should go:
Briere ($3,000,000), Knuble, Fedotenko, Hall, Rosehill, Shelly, Gervais, Foster, Coburn ($5,500,000), and Maszaros ($5,500,000). Capgeek numbers.
Here is who should stay: Gagne, Read, and Bryz.
That being said, the forwards for next season should be: G., Voracek, Hartz, Simmonds, Couts, Gagne, Akeson, Shenn, Read, McGinn, Talbot, and Rinaldo.
Laughton, and Raffl are your subs.
The defense should be: Timonen, Schenn, Gus, Grossman, Streit, and Lauridsen.
Manning, and Huskins could be the subs.
Your goalies: stick with Bryz one more season, and Mason.
This is a younger, and in my opinion stronger group. You wouldn't have to worry about cap space, or as many injuries. In addition, Timonen could reduce his minutes, and get some rest, and recovery time. Finally, you wouldn't be dependent on the trade deadline, and you can stick with the group for a couple of seasons to let the younger players develop.
You may not have your number one D-man, but at least you didn't give up everything else to get him. In addition, these guys might gel in the locker room, and make a solid team. Roll the lines on a regular basis, and you might be healthy, and not as tired come playoff time.
Coaching change time? Paddock? He did well with the Phantoms. Just a thought.
Thanks for not throwing apples or oranges at me.
- OrangeAndBlack1

What good does it do to have players like Laughton and Manning as "subs'? They need to play. Lauridsen needs more AHL time. Akeson may never be an NHL player, let alone ready for a full time NHL role this upcoming Season. The capgeek numbers you gave are salaries, not cap hits.

I dropped the ball on the salaries. I caught my mistake after I posted it. However, I stand behind the rest of what I had written.
Thanks for the catch though.

I dropped the ball on the salaries. I caught my mistake after I posted it. However, I stand behind the rest of what I had written.
Thanks for the catch though.
- OrangeAndBlack1

So you think Laughton should be a sub and in the press box? What makes you think Akeson is ready for a full time NHL role?

Was the child custody situation applicable when he played in Germany during the lockout? Honest question, as I don't live locally in Philly and don't follow that off-ice stuff as closely.
- Rocktane

I'm sure he made some sort of a deal, since the German move was likely to be temporary anyhow.

If he's traded, he's gone for two years.

I dropped the ball on the salaries. I caught my mistake after I posted it. However, I stand behind the rest of what I had written.
Thanks for the catch though.
- OrangeAndBlack1

Too risky keeping Bryz. Buy him out at the first option. We can't chance it that he gets a mysterious injury. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Buy him out now before he gets lost in the woods again.

I don't think Briere will be bought out. Someone will trade for him. There are about 15 teams in the league that will be well under the cap next season. While his cap hit is huge (6.5), his salary in real dollars is only 2.5per for the next two years.

That could be a steal for a team if he can stay healthy.

Briere is one of the most clutch guys in the league. He always steps up come playoff time.

I'm a Sens fan, and I'd love Murray to go after him this summer. With such a young team, the Sens won't be anywhere near the cap for the foreseeable future so his cap hit means nothing. Philly won't ask for much in return, if anything. poop, we may be able to land him for a late round draft pick or even future considerations.
- Charliebox

Wrong. Briere likes money. The buy-out means he gets paid + he gets a new contract and gets paid twice. Nice try though.

- Flyfreaky

Hey, Fly. How's it going?