You make a blanket statement saying that Philadelphia doesn't like a certain type of defenseman, him particular Matt Carle. Yet you don't allow other cities fans' opinions of said player into the discussion?


(frank) I hate comparing apples to apples!
- Just5

In terms of moves that NHL teams make, and who they acquire. The fans opinion means little.

context? chimera was/is an asset then and now. he's a good plyr that most teams would make room for.
- isaiah520

Yes, context. The discussion isn't the merits of Chimera as a player. The context of the discussion is the specific needs of the Flyers, currently.

So you agree that Carle is not one of the best, i.e. he has limitations/weaknesses.
- Feanor

Obviously, Carle isn't one of the top defensman in the League. He is however a very good player. And pretty much all defenseman have strengths and weaknesses. All but the very elite.

I wouldn't mind seeing them add Zubrus, plays smart in all 3 zones and is strong as an ox along the boards. He is also a pretty good penalty killer.
- BiggE

I agree. That is the type of player I feel they need.

Yes, context. The discussion isn't the merits of Chimera as a player. The context of the discussion is the specific needs of the Flyers.
- MJL

you.were.wrong.

In terms of moves that NHL teams make, and who they acquire. The fans opinion means little.
- MJL

I agree to a certain degree. Fans can sure drive a player out of town. I wouldn't completely say a fans opinion means little.

Without filling the sits you have nothing.

I don't personally think GM's/Organizations listen to every single thing fans say or want but they do try to sell them a quality product.

I agree to a certain degree. Fans can sure drive a player out of town. I wouldn't completely say a fans opinion means little.

Without filling the sits you have nothing.

I don't personally think GM's/Organizations listen to every single thing fans say or want but they do try to sell them a quality product.
- stveshdy

Billy Tibbets.

Obviously, Carle isn't one of the top defensman in the League. He is however a very good player. And pretty much all defenseman have strengths and weaknesses. All but the very elite.
- MJL

I can't believe a year later, people are still arguing about Matt Carle. If this past season didn't show it enough, the Flyers sorely lacked a player like Matt Carle. Hate him or love him, the Flyers could have used him.

Does he have a rather weak shot and is he not overly physical? Yes, but all defensemen but the handful of elite ones have weaknesses. This doesn't mean they are bad players. It just means they aren't #1 d-men.

Now do I like Carle at 5.5 mil? Not particularly, but if Streit gets that much, I'd rather have Carle.

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Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Valtteri Filppula ($4.800m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) / Adam Hall ($0.850m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Mark Streit ($4.800m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
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Flyers needs (in order of preference):

1. Puck-moving defenseman (Streit)
2. Dynamic winger (have a lot of grit, need more skill)
3. Goaltender
4. 4th line center/depth

I can't believe a year later, people are still arguing about Matt Carle. If this past season didn't show it enough, the Flyers sorely lacked a player like Matt Carle. Hate him or love him, the Flyers could have used him.

Does he have a rather weak shot and is he not overly physical? Yes, but all defensemen but the handful of elite ones have weaknesses. This doesn't mean they are bad players. It just means they aren't #1 d-men.

Now do I like Carle at 5.5 mil? Not particularly, but if Streit gets that much, I'd rather have Carle.
- five4fighting10

I agree with everything you said.

Morning, my cheesesteak snarfing friends.

From Damien Cox's blog:

Mark Streit went from Long Island to Philly in one of those pre-free-agency strikes, and the chatter is that his Flyer contract will illustrate the loopholes still available to teams interested in circumventing the spirit of the salary cap (think massive signing bonus).

http://www.thestar.com/sp...l_teams_get_busy_cox.html

Cox can be a d-bag, but his sources are usually pretty good.

Anyone heard anything about this?

I'm curious as to what the GMs have already figured out in terms of cap circumvention.

Pretty funny, considering the CBA hasn't even been signed yet. Hell, I don't think it has even been written yet.

Morning, my cheesesteak snarfing friends.

From Damien Cox's blog:

Mark Streit went from Long Island to Philly in one of those pre-free-agency strikes, and the chatter is that his Flyer contract will illustrate the loopholes still available to teams interested in circumventing the spirit of the salary cap (think massive signing bonus).

http://www.thestar.com/sp...l_teams_get_busy_cox.html

Cox can be a d-bag, but his sources are usually pretty good.

Anyone heard anything about this?

I'm curious as to what the GMs have already figured out in terms of cap circumvention.

Pretty funny, considering the CBA hasn't even been signed yet. Hell, I don't think it has even been written yet.
- Atomic Wedgie

If he's talking about front-loading the contract with bonuses, well, there's a rule in place in the new CBA that says year-to-year variability is limited to 35% of the previous year.

So you can front-load to an extent, but it's limited. Basically, I think Cox has no idea what he's talking about. But we'll see.

From the Terminal?

Did it wash down a pork sandwich?
- Giroux_Is_God

The one down by the stadiums
Packer Ave I think
We met a bunch of family for dinner at Chickie and Pete's
and hit Termini for desert

I had been vocal about wanting to stick with Bob and was against the Bryzgalov contract from the get-go.

We had a promising young goaltender at a reasonable cost (for the short-term) and do not like spending a lot on the position.

However, anyone saying that they predicted Bob would win a Vezina trophy, and especially this soon, was either speaking sarcastically at the time or drunk. I never expected this outcome -- especially in Columbus.

Another factor is that there is no guarantee that Bob would have done the same here. In fact, it would have been highly unlikely given the style of play and personnel. Sometimes it's just a perfect storm of a player moving to the right place at the right time.

Sometimes it's just the craziness of a 48-game schedule.
- bradleyc4

As much as it pains me to say this... you were right.

As much as it pains me to say this... you were right.
- jak521

Well, in fairness, it would have been tough for any goaltender to succeed here the past couple of seasons.

Morning, my cheesesteak snarfing friends.

From Damien Cox's blog:

Mark Streit went from Long Island to Philly in one of those pre-free-agency strikes, and the chatter is that his Flyer contract will illustrate the loopholes still available to teams interested in circumventing the spirit of the salary cap (think massive signing bonus).

http://www.thestar.com/sp...l_teams_get_busy_cox.html

Cox can be a d-bag, but his sources are usually pretty good.

Anyone heard anything about this?

I'm curious as to what the GMs have already figured out in terms of cap circumvention.

Pretty funny, considering the CBA hasn't even been signed yet. Hell, I don't think it has even been written yet.
- Atomic Wedgie

http://www.nhlpa.com/insi...tive-bargaining-agreement

New CBA is posted, sir.

Morning, my cheesesteak snarfing friends.

From Damien Cox's blog:

Mark Streit went from Long Island to Philly in one of those pre-free-agency strikes, and the chatter is that his Flyer contract will illustrate the loopholes still available to teams interested in circumventing the spirit of the salary cap (think massive signing bonus).

http://www.thestar.com/sp...l_teams_get_busy_cox.html

Cox can be a d-bag, but his sources are usually pretty good.

Anyone heard anything about this?

I'm curious as to what the GMs have already figured out in terms of cap circumvention.

Pretty funny, considering the CBA hasn't even been signed yet. Hell, I don't think it has even been written yet.
- Atomic Wedgie

If NHL types are gonna whine about violating "the spirit of the salary cap", the NHL must employ the worst contract and labor lawyers in the history of organized labor.

http://www.nhlpa.com/inside-nhlpa/collective-bargaining-agreement

New CBA is posted, sir.
- BulliesPhan87

I did not know that (thought they had only signed a memorandum of agreement so that they could get playing).

Thank you, kind sir.

If NHL types are gonna whine about violating "the spirit of the salary cap", the NHL must employ the worst contract and labor lawyers in the history of organized labor.
- johndewar

In the NHL's defence, from the moment they come up with the new rules, you have 30 teams trying to figure out how to circumvent it.

Nothing is foolproof.

What do you think about Bernier for Read? LA needs the scoring wingers, and we will need a goalie.

Flyers needs (in order of preference):

1. Puck-moving defenseman (Streit)
2. Dynamic winger (have a lot of grit, need more skill)
3. Goaltender
4. 4th line center/depth
- bradleyc4

Alex Tanguay has not been discussed as far as I know. His 3.5m cap hit is very reasonable and his contract is good for 3 more seasons. He's 32, drafted in the same year as Gagne, and would fill our 2LW nicely. He finished 3rd on the Flames this season with 27 points in 40 games. Yes he has slowed down, but could fill that veteran skilled winger slot very nicely and I dont think we would have to give up too much assets to grab him in a trade.

thoughts? (other than "no thanks")

What do you think about Bernier for Read? LA needs the scoring wingers, and we will need a goalie.
- youarewrong

keep Read

In the NHL's defence, from the moment they come up with the new rules, you have 30 teams trying to figure out how to circumvent it.

Nothing is foolproof.
- Atomic Wedgie

Of course. It's all in the game, right?

What do you think about Bernier for Read? LA needs the scoring wingers, and we will need a goalie.
- youarewrong

Too costly.