That was mentioned just for you sir.
- ob18

Much appreciated. I won't be torn up if he's drafted by another team, but it'd be really cool (to me) if he becomes a part of the Flyers' organization.

Even if we decide that we'd like to move on from Streit in a year or two, he shouldn't be untradeable just because of his age. There are teams like Edmonton who have the cap room to take his contract and the need for a player of his type. Of course, we don't know if Edmonton will have that need in a year or two, but the point is that he shouldn't be an untradeable asset.

Even if we decide that we'd like to move on from Streit in a year or two, he shouldn't be untradeable just because of his age. There are teams like Edmonton who have the cap room to take his contract and the need for a player of his type. Of course, we don't know if Edmonton will have that need in a year or two, but the point is that he shouldn't be an untradeable asset.
- JAKEw1234

No worries. I'm sure he will land a NMC.

No effing way I give Streit 6 mil per. That is insane.

No effing way I give Streit 6 mil per. That is insane.
- MBFlyerfan

I wouldn't even give him $5M but that's me.

can't wait to move on from the drama in goal...of course, we can't say for sure whether or not a new chapter will ensue...
- isaiah520

If the organization believes Bryz can become the elite goaltender they signed him for, then I believe he sticks. However, with the changes to the CBA, I just don't see them taking that gamble.

Second, if they believe Bernier could be an even better option then Bryz, this is pretty much the offseason to get him. Quick's extension kicks in and he certainly is entrenched. Bernier is just about 25 and I would assume his agent his shopping his client just like an UFA (I know he is a RFA). I think he has more of a pedigree to succeed then Bishop. I don't believe Bernier will be available next offseason. I don't believe the Kings will want to invest that much cap room in a back-up when your starter is young, a cup winner, and pretty dam impressive the last two playoff runs.

Also, you would think Bobby Lu would be amnested in Vancouver. However, for all the grumbling on how the Flyers are managed, who the hell knows what is going to happen in Vancouver.

I wouldn't even give him $5M but that's me.
- stveshdy

These prices seem to be the going rate for decent d-men that hit FA.

Thats what happens when you cant develop anything other than a forward.

If the organization believes Bryz can become the elite goaltender they signed him for, then I believe he sticks. However, with the changes to the CBA, I just don't see them taking that gamble.

Second, if they believe Bernier could be an even better option then Bryz, this is pretty much the offseason to get him. Quick's extension kicks in and he certainly is entrenched. Bernier is just about 25 and I would assume his agent his shopping his client just like an UFA (I know he is a RFA). I think he has more of a pedigree to succeed then Bishop. I don't believe Bernier will be available next offseason. I don't believe the Kings will want to invest that much cap room in a back-up when your starter is young, a cup winner, and pretty dam impressive the last two playoff runs.

Also, you would think Bobby Lu would be amnested in Vancouver. However, for all the grumbling on how the Flyers are managed, who the hell knows what is going to happen in Vancouver.
- ravishingone

Honestly I dont really see all the hype in Bernier.

A lot of goaltenders have done well early in their careers to be flops in the NHL. He is undersized, and his NHL career has all been behind a pretty damn good defensive team, playing a D first system.

I'd take a gamble on him, but not for Read. Just me.

I wouldn't even give him $5M but that's me.
- stveshdy

If I'm reading the market, Gonchar got 2 yrs and $10 million. Gotta believe Streit is getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 yrs and $16.5 million. I just don't see any scernerio where he gets less per year then Gonchar.

These prices seem to be the going rate for decent d-men that hit FA.

Thats what happens when you cant develop anything other than a forward.
- flyer_nutter

Forget the going rate. There's a reason why the Islanders are letting him walk (trading him). No way they are going to pay him that ridiculous amount of money. I know Taveras is the new leader but Streit was their captain. Your telling me he doesn't do enough to keep around? I understand why the Flyers would want him but that doesn't mean you cant question the rumored contract. Just not worth it in my opinion.

If I'm reading the market, Gonchar got 2 yrs and $10 million. Gotta believe Streit is getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 yrs and $16.5 million. I just don't see any scernerio where he gets less per year then Gonchar.
- ravishingone

Don't like Gonchar's deal either. Think that was a mistake by Dallas.

Honestly I dont really see all the hype in Bernier.

A lot of goaltenders have done well early in their careers to be flops in the NHL. He is undersized, and his NHL career has all been behind a pretty damn good defensive team, playing a D first system.

I'd take a gamble on him, but not for Read. Just me.
- flyer_nutter

My belief is he probably is considered the best option of the young, unproven goalies who could be available. Certainly, I don't believe that ensures any kind of definite success playing more games in a different system. I think someone will give him a shot to be a #1 netminder considering Lindback and Bishop were traded with less of a track record then Bernier.

Forget the going rate. There's a reason why the Islanders are letting him walk (trading him). No way they are going to pay him that ridiculous amount of money. I know Taveras is the new leader but Streit was their captain. Your telling me he doesn't do enough to keep around? I understand why the Flyers would want him but that doesn't mean you cant question the rumored contract. Just not worth it in my opinion.
- stveshdy

The thing is, without giving up big pieces of that young core it seems this is what the Flyers will have to do.

Overpay for decent d-men in FA, that arent really worth their contract.

The organization wont stand by doing nothing, they will want to improve, and it seems they will be willing to do this. Thats why, well to me anyway, to be an above average team in the new nhl, you better be able to draft and develop few d-men.

Where I stand is, that the Flyers are having it shoved up their ass just how the old ways of buying a team, aren't going to work. Quality assets, just dont hit FA enough anymore, and frankly I dont believe a team should rely on trades to build key pieces of their team. It seems to be the new trend of the cap era.

We will see. I'm not as optimistic as many that deals or players will just happen to solve the problems. I firmly believe that the scouting department will have to be much improved to building a COMPLETE team.

Don't like Gonchar's deal either. Think that was a mistake by Dallas.
- stveshdy

I didn't like the Gonchar contract. However, since Streit and G have the same agent, I think there is a good chance this deal gets done. In my opinion, he is going to get better then Gonchar. I'm not going to like it, but I like it better then trading Coots or B. Schenn plus other assets for a shot at Yandle. I would have probably done Schenn for Yandle straight up, but from all the various rumors that just wasn't going to cut it.

The thing is, without giving up big pieces of that young core it seems this is what the Flyers will have to do.

Overpay for decent d-men in FA, that arent really worth their contract.

The organization wont stand by doing nothing, they will want to improve, and it seems they will be willing to do this. Thats why, well to me anyway, to be an above average team in the new nhl, you better be able to draft and develop few d-men.

Where I stand is, that the Flyers are having it shoved up their ass just how the old ways of buying a team, aren't going to work. Quality assets, just dont hit FA enough anymore, and frankly I dont believe a team should rely on trades to build key pieces of their team. It seems to be the new trend of the cap era.

We will see. I'm not as optimistic as many that deals or players will just happen to solve the problems. I firmly believe that the scouting department will have to be much improved to building a COMPLETE team.
- flyer_nutter

Cant argue that. I just don't like the move if he signs for $5M+ per year.

Cant argue that. I just don't like the move if he signs for $5M+ per year.
- stveshdy

Holmgren should have that contract shoved up his ass along with the rest of the crew for waiting so long to fix the D, or bring in quality youth to it.

They are paying the price now. I do think some of his moves have been great, and its a big summer for him.

Although I really do believe they dug themselves this hole on their own with regards to the D, and he may not even be able to do anything to begin with. Teams dont really seem to be too willing to give up quality D.

Edit: I know many here are against Lava, and my defense of him isn't as strong as it once was. Personally, I am growing more and more tired of Holmgren and whoever is really in charge of player development.

Holmgren should have that contract shoved up his ass along with the rest of the crew for waiting so long to fix the D, or bring in quality youth to it.

They are paying the price now. I do think some of his moves have been great, and its a big summer for him.

Although I really do believe they dug themselves this hole on their own with regards to the D, and he may not even be able to do anything to begin with. Teams dont really seem to be too willing to give up quality D.
- flyer_nutter

This isn't meant to be a defense for the organization, but if Mez didn't have his body completely break down over the last two years do they even acquire Streit? A somewhat more stable physically Mez with Gus added and I don't think they acquire Streit in my opinion. Also, MAB was getting a good amount of playing time from Lava before all the concussion issues.

This isn't meant to be a defense for the organization, but if Mez didn't have his body completely break down over the last two years do they even acquire Streit? A somewhat more stable physically Mez with Gus added and I don't think they acquire Streit in my opinion.
- ravishingone

It's a shame. Mez was an above average defenseman pre-duct tape era....

This isn't meant to be a defense for the organization, but if Mez didn't have his body completely break down over the last two years do they even acquire Streit? A somewhat more stable physically Mez with Gus added and I don't think they acquire Streit in my opinion.
- ravishingone

That brings up something I kind of threw on the wall here one time, that they continously seem to ignore the injury history of players, praying that they magically stay healthy.

Honestly, more and more every day I am leaning toward a new GM, and more importantly a new voice from up top. To provide clear direction, consistency and an identity. Especially regarding their belief on buying a team which to me is clear as night and day. Sigh.

This isn't meant to be a defense for the organization, but if Mez didn't have his body completely break down over the last two years do they even acquire Streit? A somewhat more stable physically Mez with Gus added and I don't think they acquire Streit in my opinion.
- ravishingone

Seems like the Flyers defensive core always is injured. Not sure how these other teams stay healthy for the most part.

Even with injuries you have to make adjustments and play to your strengths. I don't think the Flyers are a bad team but are they a true contender next year?

Much appreciated. I won't be torn up if he's drafted by another team, but it'd be really cool (to me) if he becomes a part of the Flyers' organization.
- Flyskippy

It'd be nice to just see depth added at all positions.

That brings up something I kind of threw on the wall here one time, that they continously seem to ignore the injury history of players, praying that they magically stay healthy.

Honestly, more and more every day I am leaning toward a new GM, and more importantly a new voice from up top. To provide clear direction, consistency and an identity. Especially regarding their belief on buying a team which to me is clear as night and day. Sigh.
- flyer_nutter

If you fire the GM than the coach needs to go also. Clean house.

It's a shame. Mez was an above average defenseman pre-duct tape era....
- Giroux_Is_God

It would be unreal if he could come back healthy. I absolutely love what he brings from the back end. Good speed, grit and a great shot.

As one of his biggest fans though, even I will say that its more probable you see Happy Gilmore suit up for this team, than Mez staying healthy.

That brings up something I kind of threw on the wall here one time, that they continously seem to ignore the injury history of players, praying that they magically stay healthy.

Honestly, more and more every day I am leaning toward a new GM, and more importantly a new voice from up top. To provide clear direction, consistency and an identity. Especially regarding their belief on buying a team which to me is clear as night and day. Sigh.
- flyer_nutter

I don't know, I can't kill the organization when three of your potential top 6 d-man (Pronger, MAB, Grossmann) are suffering from concussions. I don't know how concussions are avoided other then luck.
Now, I can certainly question the evaluation process from the scouting department when it comes to evaluating d-man in the draft.

If you fire the GM than the coach needs to go also. Clean house.
- stveshdy

I dont like a lot of Lava's decisions when it comes to player management.

The system, I have always been fine with, even though yes he does stick to it a bit too much at times. I place more blame on Holmgren for bringing in an aggressive offensive system coach, and then giving him a back end that could deliver a pizza to the other end of the ice in less than 20 minutes.

He has always been a coach to stick to his guns regarding aggressive play. They knew than bringing him in, and sought it out after having seen the opposite with Stevens.

One of the flaws for sure though, is just how badly he sticks to his scheme. Many coaches do though.

I am in no way in favour of another indentity change and changing to a D first team. Even though the writing seems to be popping up on the wall for that. Plenty of aggressive teams have been good in recent times.

You need to have an indentity set as an organization, find a coach who will stick to that, and the right players to employ it. Not just throw a bunch of talent together, stick your thumb up your ass and pray.