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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:13 PM ET
I think Keith is the best, really, the guy is really that good!

I used to think a solid core was more important, but look at the teams that have won recently, it's not only a solid core but a #1 guy to build around

- puckhead17


I like that defensive group in general.

Leddy is really good as well.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:14 PM ET
Certainly understandable, but back to the immediate question about Streit. I don't have a problem going this route in the short-term (yes he will get overpaid) because the organization is never going to be complacent. It appears they have an interest in keep the young core together (at least for now). Finally, $10 million is coming off the cap after next year with Kimmo (supposedly retiring) and I doubt Mez gets resigned because of the injury concerns.
- ravishingone


I don't mind overpaying its just how many years are we going to do it for?

36 year old getting four years, not something I like at all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:16 PM ET
I like that defensive group in general.

Leddy is really good as well.

- stveshdy


Hjamarsson is the unheralded member of that defense in my opinion. I could be wrong, but I think Boston is going to wear Chicago down.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:16 PM ET
do u like the Streit move?
- puckhead17

doing something is better than nothing. To elaborate; yes but that's without seeing what he gets signed to unless he has and I am amiss. However if they can get him signed reasonably and keep the term under 5 years, I'll be happy. They've basically found a short term solution to Kimo leaving after this season.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:16 PM ET
I don't mind overpaying its just how many years are we going to do it for?

36 year old getting four years, not something I like at all.

- stveshdy


thats what he wants & we're so damn "desperate"
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:17 PM ET
I don't mind overpaying its just how many years are we going to do it for?

36 year old getting four years, not something I like at all.

- stveshdy


The years won't really bother me. The Cap hit likely will. Lots of players are playing at a high level well into their upper 30's
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:17 PM ET
Hjamarsson is the unheralded member of that defense in my opinion. I could be wrong, but I think Boston is going to wear Chicago down.
- MJL


Remember during the offseason last summer, Hjamarsson was a guy I wanted here. He was supposedly on the trade market although nothing panned out.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:17 PM ET
doing something is better than nothing. To elaborate; yes but that's without seeing what he gets signed to unless he has and I am amiss. However if they can get him signed reasonably and keep the term under 5 years, I'll be happy. They've basically found a short term solution to Kimo leaving after this season.
- JoeRussomanno


it's like getting Carle back basically, only he's better offensively
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 16 @ 10:17 PM ET
Certainly understandable, but back to the immediate question about Streit. I don't have a problem going this route in the short-term (yes he will get overpaid) because the organization is never going to be complacent. It appears they have an interest in keep the young core together (at least for now). Finally, $10 million is coming off the cap after next year with Kimmo (supposedly retiring) and I doubt Mez gets resigned because of the injury concerns.
- ravishingone


Ohhh I am all for that kind of move! Its a good way for them to stay somewhat competative instead of dealing away players for "projects".

I want that young core intact for a little while, and to better evaluate it. I'm all for not locking this team down with crazy long contracts, but more so with vets who can better show these young kids how to play.

Would just be better if there were more "young kids" on that back end. I was high on MAB but his head seems to be made of slurpee.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:18 PM ET
The years won't really bother me. The Cap hit likely will. Lots of players are playing at a high level well into their upper 30's
- MJL


That's what I'm talking about. We all know he is going to get paid, its just a matter of how many years they are going to overpay him.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 16 @ 10:19 PM ET
there's nothing like the real thing.
- JoeRussomanno


Haha in time, in time.

Although if that kid is anything like me...
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:19 PM ET
thats what he wants & we're so damn "desperate"
- puckhead17


I'm hoping its a three year deal. I wouldn't be upset if he didn't sign either. However, I think the Flyers have every intention of signing him for what he is asking for.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:21 PM ET
Welp gents, it has been fun chatting hockey with everyone. I must retire upstairs on this Father's day evening to watch DisneyJr with my four year-old to help him settle down and go to sleep. If you don't know the shows like Octonauts and Special Agent Oso, trust me you will someday especially if she is late or more precisely you are!!
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 16 @ 10:21 PM ET
I'm hoping its a three year deal. I wouldn't be upset if he didn't sign either. However, I think the Flyers have every intention of signing him for what he is asking for.
- stveshdy


Holmgren doesnt seem to be the best at playing hard to get.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:21 PM ET
I'm hoping its a three year deal. I wouldn't be upset if he didn't sign either. However, I think the Flyers have every intention of signing him for what he is asking for.
- stveshdy


sign him 4 years and trade him back to the islanders

they offered 4 years $5 million & he said no
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:21 PM ET
it's like getting Carle back basically, only he's better offensively
- puckhead17

work with me here, would ya? I said Kimo, not carle But yea either way, they (the flyers front office) and the detractors from the fanbase should have realized we had an asset in Carle. Missed him badly this season.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 16 @ 10:22 PM ET
in bold, not just that, but the teams that rolled 4 lines, played very tight D with the lead, (most occasions), and each team had a "stalwart" defenseman
- puckhead17

the team w/o a norris trophy candidate is at a disadvantage, but routine stops have to be made and there can't be a predictability about the types of chances that usually find the back of the net. that's killed the flyers for the most part, the last several yrs.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:22 PM ET
thats what he wants & we're so damn "desperate"
- puckhead17


Flyers are beyond desperate at this point. I personally think he helps on the PP and moving the puck. On the other hand he isn't very physical, his age isn't great, and I question the Islanders letting their captain walk.

Will see what happens but I don't think Streit is a replacement for Timonen. Maybe for Mez but not Kimmo.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:22 PM ET
Welp gents, it has been fun chatting hockey with everyone. I must retire upstairs on this Father's day evening to watch DisneyJr with my four year-old to help him settle down and go to sleep. If you don't know the shows like Octonauts and Special Agent Oso, trust me you will someday especially if she is late or more precisely you are!!
- ravishingone



in bold OUT-standing
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 16 @ 10:22 PM ET
work with me here, would ya? I said Kimo, not carle But yea either way, they (the flyers front office) and the detractors from the fanbase should have realized we had an asset in Carle. Missed him badly this season.
- JoeRussomanno


I did. I had to blame someone else for the BS seen on the back end.
Carle was like a bad pimple this team decided to finally pop.

(Generally not a fan of soft D-men who are overpaid, and cant shoot the puck)
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:23 PM ET
Holmgren doesnt seem to be the best at playing hard to get.
- flyer_nutter


Probably throw in a NTC.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 16 @ 10:24 PM ET
Hjamarsson is the unheralded member of that defense in my opinion. I could be wrong, but I think Boston is going to wear Chicago down.
- MJL

that appeared to be the case in OT. i see similarities between this and the last finals w/ the B's.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:24 PM ET
the team w/o a norris trophy candidate is at a disadvantage, but routine stops have to be made and there can't be a predictability about the types of chances that usually find the back of the net. that's killed the flyers for the most part, the last several yrs.
- isaiah520


Very few teams have a Norris Trophy candidate. One way to stop those chances finding the back of the net, is to limit those kinds of chances. If the Flyers want Bryzgalov, Mason, or any other Goalie to be successful here, they need to shore up the team defense first and foremost.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:24 PM ET
work with me here, would ya? I said Kimo, not carle But yea either way, they (the flyers front office) and the detractors from the fanbase should have realized we had an asset in Carle. Missed him badly this season.
- JoeRussomanno



ah no, he's the Carle replacement that they gaffed on, Kimmo is outstanding 2 way D man, but Striet will get Carle's $ & term & playability
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 10:25 PM ET
I did. I had to blame someone else for the BS seen on the back end.
Carle was like a bad pimple this team decided to finally pop.

(Generally not a fan of soft D-men who are overpaid, and cant shoot the puck)

- flyer_nutter


that's all they had, so he commanded it & received it elsewhere
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