Why are Flyers fans so worried about what we think of the streit signing?
- Vukota

UIF made a good post earlier. Something to the extent that both Isles fans and Flyers fans are happy about Streit signing with the Flyers at that salary so what are we fighting about?

First off we offered him a year less at a million less per year. That's pretty significant for a 35 year old player whose play has declined. As far as the captain thing that all of you guys are harping on it's a forgone conclusion who are next captian is. Most Isles fans wanted Streit gone last year for his play and this reason. The guy is a great guy(it seems, I don't know him personally)and he played well for us for a season but it's a really bad contract but I wish him the best none the less. Good for him finding a team willing to pay him 5.25 mil a year for four years so he can play on the 2ndd pp unit and be their fourth defenseman. Guess you guys got breathing room to spend?
- Cptmjl

Do you think the Isles have a shot at Bernier? Giving up the #15 and Nino sounds like a lot to me what do you think?

UIF made a good post earlier. Something to the extent that both Isles fans and Flyers fans are happy about Streit signing with the Flyers at that salary so what are we fighting about?
- Cptmjl

First off we offered him a year less at a million less per year. That's pretty significant for a 35 year old player whose play has declined. As far as the captain thing that all of you guys are harping on it's a forgone conclusion who are next captian is. Most Isles fans wanted Streit gone last year for his play and this reason. The guy is a great guy(it seems, I don't know him personally)and he played well for us for a season but it's a really bad contract but I wish him the best none the less. Good for him finding a team willing to pay him 5.25 mil a year for four years so he can play on the 2ndd pp unit and be their fourth defenseman. Guess you guys got breathing room to spend?
- Cptmjl

5.25 for a d man that they are saying we will cut his time back. At 5,25, he should be on the ice 25 minutes per night.

It does to me. Why in God's name would the Isles have offered him a contract that was at least in the same ball park if he is as terrible as you all say? Woudl Snow have said, oh you accepted it? Um yeah, that wasn't a real offer, that was a token gesture because you are a nice guy LOL
- Hextall271

good God

Hey, good luck in Brooklyn; it'll be nice to not have to hear all the excuses about why the Islanders haven't performed well over the last six seasons before this one.

We'll see what you do with it. You finished six points ahead of the Flyers last year in a 48-game season. That's a fact.

Let's see you do it again. If you're as good as you think you are, then you don't have a single thing to worry about.
- AllInForFlyers

Excuses? Any team that has operation loses of $20 million per season is going to flounder. It's the same SMG lease (thanks Ed snider) that nearly drove the Pens into oblivion were it not for Lemieux and the state of Pennsylvania. That's a fact. Our management is by no means perfect and at times seems comical, but they've been patient and stockpiled some pretty damn good prospects. Still, I'd say at this point we're every bit as good, if not better, than you guys and we have far more reason than you to believe we'll continue to improve.

You have a great owner who will throw money around but that only works when done wisely. Spending $21 mil over 4 years on an old deteriorating dman who only can perform one role seems like a bad decision for a team in painted into a financial corner. We'll see what happens from here, but it certainly makes it more tough for you guys to spend your way out from here on.

xxkeaner17xx

5.25 for a d man that they are saying we will cut his time back. At 5,25, he should be on the ice 25 minutes per night.
- bixll

ding ding ding. But he's good for the 2nd PP and as a fourth dman. Makes sense, right?

You have to understand that to Wang, loyalty is a HUGE thing. It's why he gave Yashin and DP the type of deals they got. The Isles have a huge appreciation for Streit and his contributions to the community. He's been a helluva good guy and played his role here. We offered 3 years @ $4.7 mil and he turned it down. I have no doubt we offered more than we felt he was really worth because we had the space and were going to allow him to retire an Islander, but the moment he wanted more, we backed out.

The biggest issue to me is that I think there were MUCH better options out there that would have helped you in more prudent areas. You could have signed a guy like Marc Andre Bergeron to perform the same role at $1 million per season for 2 years, while addressing a much better #1 option. There are plenty of guys out there that would have helped you much more.

xxkeaner17xx
- keaner17

Gotcha on the first point, but still seems weird. I can't beleive any org is that loyal as to make bad decisions just o be nice... Wang needs to stay out of it then..we get in trouble when Snider gets involved also.

2nd point, I am not really sure what better options are out there for addressing the #1 option. What was decided is that either there weren't any long term solutions out there either available or at a cost we were willing to absorb. I would have lost my mind if we traded Couturier, Schenn and or our 1st for a Yandle type who isn't the stud dman we need. We'd be switching gears again after just having done it in 2011.

i havent gotten past the first page of comments so im sure its been addressed, yes snow as technically the GM but the DP signing was all wang...
- LetsGoIsles

Do yourself a favor and jump to page 9. Now.

ding ding ding. But he's good for the 2nd PP and as a fourth dman. Makes sense, right?
- Cptmjl

How much are they paying their top 4 d men?

Do you think the Isles have a shot at Bernier? Giving up the #15 and Nino sounds like a lot to me what do you think?
- Vukota

I know you have to give to get but I don't want to see Nino traded. If it happens I'm not going to lose my mind but that's giving up quite a bit IMO. I think Nino might be a good one and this is a pretty big draft. Berinier looks good, he's young, and could be our starter for years. That's a risk/reward that I hope Snow has a pulse on bcs I certainly don't

Huh? If I'm shedding tears its tears of joy that JT will get to dance around Streit 4 times a year for the next 4 years
- Vukota

I guess they're not taking those comments seriously. I know I can't wait to see him try and deal with Nelson or Nino or any one of our bigger forwards.

Xxkeaner17xX

Do yourself a favor and jump to page 9. Now.
- canadianpenfan

Gotcha on the first point, but still seems weird. I can't beleive any org is that loyal as to make bad decisions just o be nice... Wang needs to stay out of it then..we get in trouble when Snider gets involved also.

2nd point, I am not really sure what better options are out there for addressing the #1 option. What was decided is that either there weren't any long term solutions out there either available or at a cost we were willing to absorb. I would have lost my mind if we traded Couturier, Schenn and or our 1st for a Yandle type who isn't the stud dman we need. We'd be switching gears again after just having done it in 2011.
- Hextall271

That is our teams MO my friend

Do you think the Isles have a shot at Bernier? Giving up the #15 and Nino sounds like a lot to me what do you think?
- Vukota

I think it would be worth it. Aquiring a solid young netminder who just might end up being great, to grow with this young team is worth parting with Nino and the 15th.

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Do you think the Isles have a shot at Bernier? Giving up the #15 and Nino sounds like a lot to me what do you think?
- Vukota

I really don't want to give up niño.

First off we offered him a year less at a million less per year. That's pretty significant for a 35 year old player whose play has declined. As far as the captain thing that all of you guys are harping on it's a forgone conclusion who are next captian is. Most Isles fans wanted Streit gone last year for his play and this reason. The guy is a great guy(it seems, I don't know him personally)and he played well for us for a season but it's a really bad contract but I wish him the best none the less. Good for him finding a team willing to pay him 5.25 mil a year for four years so he can play on the 2ndd pp unit and be their fourth defenseman. Guess you guys got breathing room to spend?
- Cptmjl

What we have is cash as an organization. This is why it's not a real biggie for us to buy out Bryz and Briere. We don't want to give up assets, ie young forwards or picks to compensate for Pronger having to retire. Look what Gonchar got with Dallas... it seems that it's the market price for offensive dmen.

So what you are saying is that Snow is a horrible GM because he can't see what is obvious to the fans? I wouldn't have made fun had he re signed.. if he's a puck moving D and your captain, would have made sense.
- Hextall271

The guy is 35 and his play has been on the down swing for two seasons. MAB is a puck moving D. Stop

What we have is cash as an organization. This is why it's not a real biggie for us to buy out Bryz and Briere. We don't want to give up assets, ie young forwards or picks to compensate for Pronger having to retire. Look what Gonchar got with Dallas... it seems that it's the market price for offensive dmen.
- Hextall271

I hear you but filling cap space unwisely especially for a "spending" team like you guys to me is stupid. If that's the market place then you hold off and find another way. Four year commitment to a 35 yr old player whose play has diminished is not an intelligent move whether you give him the "puck moving defender" or "captain" title(which he was by default btw). There's no defending it. Yes, if Snow signed him to a 3 year deal for a million less I would've thought he was an idiot too.

Do you realize we made the playoffs this year?
- NYI44

yes ... do you realize you need more than one guy to be an upper echelon team?

Gotcha on the first point, but still seems weird. I can't beleive any org is that loyal as to make bad decisions just o be nice... Wang needs to stay out of it then..we get in trouble when Snider gets involved also.

2nd point, I am not really sure what better options are out there for addressing the #1 option. What was decided is that either there weren't any long term solutions out there either available or at a cost we were willing to absorb. I would have lost my mind if we traded Couturier, Schenn and or our 1st for a Yandle type who isn't the stud dman we need. We'd be switching gears again after just having done it in 2011.
- Hextall271

I like to think we're just emerging from our dark ages here, but over the last decade we've seen free agents not only turn us down, but accept less money with other teams. Streit then not only accepted to come here at a time that he was being sought after by a few other teams, but became a big time representative of the team and eventual all star. Unfortunately he suffered a shoulder injury which cost him the season and he was NEVER the same. Still, most of us greatly appreciate Mark making the Isles his team when he could have headed off to other teams with a much better situation. We anticipate being far enough under the cap over the next year or two that his contract of 3 years wouldn't have killed us. That's obviously a much better situation.

I mention Marc Andre Bergeron as an example because he's precisely the type player Streit is now. So it would have seemed to me you could have signed that type of player at much less and a shorter term, which would allow you to spend what little money you have left on other areas of need. We've seen enough bad GMing around here over the last 20 years to know when we see a bad decision

Xxkeaner17xX

yes ... do you realize you need more than one guy to be an upper echelon team?
- nightmare3020

do tell

Next year niño can give us something we haven't had in years. A wrist shot sniper who would create tons of space on the PP
Niño would have the second or even first best shot on the team

Sources: Islanders in the mix for Kings' Jonathan Bernier
By Arthur Staple

- kear20

i think that would be a solid pick up, just stay the course since you guys have boatloads of youth

bring in guy like bernier, guy like Gordon for the pk, and another top 6 guy if you can and i think that would do wonders to help you compete.

Sure it doesnt make you a powerhouse but its not always the powerhouses that win(ask crosby )