Define "lesser prospect"
- Jethro09

id say nothing more than a david ullstrom (although i happen to like the guy)

Yeah I'm on the fence myself. I want to see what Nilsson can do when healthy
- Vukota

all I can say is this...i'm pretty good at evaluating talent and telling you guys if a guy can play in the nhl and what their potential can be. IE yes to Martin, Cizikas, Ullstrom, No to Ness, Kohn Dibo.... a healthy Anders Nilsson was the best Bridgeport goalie I have ever seen two years ago

He wasn't going to get less because of what Sergei Gonchar got paid, and you know it -- he already turned down the $5 million per season the Islanders offered him!

Am I good with it? If I had to pay it, no, I wouldn't be. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend like a) the Islanders didn't offer him $5 million, and b) that Mark Streit wasn't getting it somewhere else...because he was.

If 38-year-old Sergei Gonchar got two years at $5 million per, then Mark Streit was getting what he got.

I'm just honest enough to admit it.
- AllInForFlyers

Ok. Since you're being honest do you think bcs Gonchar got overpaid(he's still a better Dman btw) it makes the deal with Streit good? Or because we offered Streit 4.5(not 5.5)for three years(not four mind you lets make this clear bcs you seem to be changing numbers to suit your argument for some reason, does'nt work!)and he rejected it makes the Flyers deal seem better? Just trying to understand your logic here, having a hard time figuring out what your point is.

Nobody who knows you needs a crystal ball to answer that.
- canadianpenfan

so that's a yes!

I don't think there's any reason to believe that Poulin can't be an effective NHL goaltender. It's tough to judge him based on his 5 or so appearances through last year and when he did fill in for Nabby for what amounted to about 1 full game in the playoffs, he was very sharp. I think if anything, this has to be the year they allow Poulin to show what he's got. Meanwhile, the consensus is that Nilsson is our goaltender of the future. We just had a nice link here yesterday that quoted Lundqvists former coach as saying that Nilsson has the potential to even be better than Henrik.

So if we've got a guy like that in our system who should be ready to play very soon, what sense does it make to deal a decent commodity for another goalie of the same age? I'd rather we deal Nino (if at all)and our 1st pick for a top pairing dman that a team needs to unload for cap issues.

xxkeaner17xx
- keaner17

im actually pretty positive Poulin will never pan out. he has the same flaws he had 4 years ago and until he fixes those I don't see him as an option

Capt knows i'm kidding.

As a sign of good faith here's a t-shirt idea.




- canadianpenfan

id say nothing more than a david ullstrom (although i happen to like the guy)
- LetsGoIsles

I like him too, reminds me of a young Dave Poulin. Ask Mario what he thought of that guy...

all I can say is this...i'm pretty good at evaluating talent and telling you guys if a guy can play in the nhl and what their potential can be. IE yes to Martin, Cizikas, Ullstrom, No to Ness, Kohn Dibo.... a healthy Anders Nilsson was the best Bridgeport goalie I have ever seen two years ago
- NYI78

not exactly going out on a limb and saying these guys arent nhl material.

yes, gonchar got the insane deal and set the standard but why do you make it sound like mark streit is the only remaining free agent going into this offseason? there are PLENTY of better options for that kind of money...not to mention dmen via trade/buyouts
- LetsGoIsles

No, not for what the FLYERS need -- not the rest of the league, but the Flyers.

They needed one guy to help trigger breakouts on their second/third pairing and help out on the second PP unit.

They have plenty of defensive defensemen, and they do not want to trade for a premium defenseman at this time -- they don't view any particular player in as high a regard as they did Shea Weber and Ryan Suter a year ago.

It's that simple -- the Flyers needed one guy to play around 18 minutes a night, NOT on the PK, NOT in the last minute of a game, but who is still a good enough passer and shooter to help them in one area.

That's all they needed, until they decide how much they want to pay in trade for an elite defenseman -- and with Kimmo Timonen retiring after this season, there will still be room for Mark Streit to do what they are expecting him to do -- be solid offensively.

No, not for what the FLYERS need -- not the rest of the league, but the Flyers.

They needed one guy to help trigger breakouts on their second/third pairing and help out on the second PP unit.

They have plenty of defensive defensemen, and they do not want to trade for a premium defenseman at this time -- they don't view any particular player in as high a regard as they did Shea Weber and Ryan Suter a year ago.

It's that simple -- the Flyers needed one guy to play around 18 minutes a night, NOT on the PK, NOT in the last minute of a game, but who is still a good enough passer and shooter to help them in one area.

That's all they needed, until they decide how much they want to pay in trade for an elite defenseman -- and with Kimmo Timonen retiring after this season, there will still be room for Mark Streit to do what they are expecting him to do -- be solid offensively.
- AllInForFlyers

so basically from a defensive standpoint if the flyers didnt sign streit (to wtvr he demanded), the 2014 season would be over as far as youre concerned?

Ok. Since you're being honest do you think bcs Gonchar got overpaid(he's still a better Dman btw) it makes the deal with Streit good? Or because we offered Streit 4.5(not 5.5)for three years(not four mind you lets make this clear bcs you seem to be changing numbers to suit your argument for some reason, does'nt work!)and he rejected it makes the Flyers deal seem better? Just trying to understand your logic here, having a hard time figuring out what your point is.
- Cptmjl

Again, you're not understanding because you choose not to understand:

This deal works for the FLYERS. He fits what THEY need. Does Mark Streit fit what the Islanders need in moving forward? No, he doesn't.

But for what the Flyers need -- he does. He is a fit for the SPECIFIC ROLE they need him to play!

Again, you're not understanding because you choose not to understand:

This deal works for the FLYERS. He fits what THEY need. Does Mark Streit fit what the Islanders need in moving forward? No, he doesn't.

But for what the Flyers need -- he does. He is a fit for the SPECIFIC ROLE they need him to play!
- AllInForFlyers

At that price when you are already having trouble with the cap?

Again, you're not understanding because you choose not to understand:

This deal works for the FLYERS. He fits what THEY need. Does Mark Streit fit what the Islanders need in moving forward? No, he doesn't.

But for what the Flyers need -- he does. He is a fit for the SPECIFIC ROLE they need him to play!
- AllInForFlyers

Why do you need everyone to agree with you?

Ullstrum,First and Poulin for Bernier

so basically from a defensive standpoint if the flyers didnt sign streit (to wtvr he demanded), the 2014 season would be over as far as youre concerned?
- LetsGoIsles

Seriously? Seriously?

The Flyers addressed THEIR needs. For a fourth-round pick and a contract they have to pay.

That's what franchises and GMs are SUPPOSED TO DO -- assess their needs and fill them!

For instance: You guys might or might not sign Evgeni Nabokov. You'll do it or not, or acquire another goalie or not, based on what your GM identifies as the best fit for what you're trying to do!

Nobody else might not want Evgeni Nabokov. But he might fit what the Islanders need, perfectly!

Why is this so hard to understand?

all I can say is this...i'm pretty good at evaluating talent and telling you guys if a guy can play in the nhl and what their potential can be. IE yes to Martin, Cizikas, Ullstrom, No to Ness, Kohn Dibo.... a healthy Anders Nilsson was the best Bridgeport goalie I have ever seen two years ago
- NYI78

Yes I value your opinion on the BP guys more then anybody around here

My mistake on the Blues history -- I can admit it.

Just as I can admit that the Flyers' current history is certainly no worse than the Blues'.
- AllInForFlyers

Edit - Damn, I am a Leafs Fan / Isles and Pens fan. But generally a hockey fan.

What the Frank does a Teams history have to do with a Fan , having an opinion of another team. So no one can ever have a negative opinion of the Habs, because they have the richest history.

Join reality.

Why do you need everyone to agree with you?
- canadianpenfan

not exactly going out on a limb and saying these guys arent nhl material.
- LetsGoIsles

I said it at the time they were considered prospects..not after the fact.. for example I have said for some time that Poulin is not a nhl caliber goalie....

Why do you need everyone to agree with you?
- canadianpenfan

Seriously?

Well, golly gee, I don't know -- maybe I'm Mark Streit or Paul Holmgren, posting under the name "AllInForFlyers."

Seriously?

Well, golly gee, I don't know -- maybe I'm Mark Streit or Paul Holmgren, posting under the name "AllInForFlyers."
- AllInForFlyers

SO now we know Streit Boyes and Snow all use this site

I said it at the time they were considered prospects..not after the fact.. for example I have said for some time that Poulin is not a nhl caliber goalie....
- NYI78

You really don't have to justify yourself

Seriously? Seriously?

The Flyers addressed THEIR needs. For a fourth-round pick and a contract they have to pay.

That's what franchises and GMs are SUPPOSED TO DO -- assess their needs and fill them!

For instance: You guys might or might not sign Evgeni Nabokov. You'll do it or not, or acquire another goalie or not, based on what your GM identifies as the best fit for what you're trying to do!

Nobody else might not want Evgeni Nabokov. But he might fit what the Islanders need, perfectly!

Why is this so hard to understand?
- AllInForFlyers

But to fit this new contract into your cap structure, you have to buy out a very good player (yes a declining player) from your roster in Danny Briere so in essence you traded a player a pick & Briere for the right to over pay a 4-5 d-men to play your second PP unit?? This was a good move?? an upgrade??

XxNYIxX

Do you think the Isles have a shot at Bernier? Giving up the #15 and Nino sounds like a lot to me what do you think?
- Vukota

I think the emergence of Nelson made Nino Expendable.
Plus Nino doesnt fit the Isles Player profile. everyone works for what they get, Nino thinks he deserves it.

If Give up nino gets us a high profile Goalie or Dman i think Snow will make the move.

Snow has been great till now, dont see why that would change.

As for Streit, Thank you for you time as an Islander but He'll be a Philly buy out in year 3 or 4.

No Philly fan should be commenting. Holgrem traded Richard and Carter that both went on to win a CUP. He got rid of Boborvsky and he won the Vezina. anyone sensing a pattern here?

Seriously?

Well, golly gee, I don't know -- maybe I'm Mark Streit or Paul Holmgren, posting under the name "AllInForFlyers."
- AllInForFlyers

Thanks. That made tons of sense.