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abolton
Boston Bruins
Location: NH
Joined: 07.14.2006

Jun 18 @ 8:37 AM ET
Absurd contract. MAYBE two good seasons left in him at best. Good move Isles
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 8:38 AM ET
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- ieetbred


Let us know when he/she is available. We're looking for a replacement!

keaner17
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 18 @ 8:39 AM ET
Absurd contract. MAYBE two good seasons left in him at best. Good move Isles
- abolton


Agreed, it's 2 seasons too long. Hopefully, after 2 years there's enough room to buy him out and the Flyers can deal with the $1.75M cap hit for the next 4 years.

Or trade him to a team like FLA so they can reach the cap floor. After all, they will need to replace JovoCop with an older defenseman soon.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 8:46 AM ET
So the fact that we had the 3rd best PP yet lacked a offensive threat from the blue line especially on the 2nd unit, means we shouldn't upgrade it? And it's not just for the PP, 5v5 we desperately needed a puck mover defensively. Streit will provide that, and if on a pairing with Schenn, Coburn or Grossman his defensive short comings will be masked.

It's not a good contract at all. But Gonchar got 10 for 2 years. You think Streit wouldn't have gotten more from FA? It's market value. Fans tend to have a grass is greener mindset, where sometimes players you've watched for a while become almost a nuisance. I've learned to appreciate what a player does bring. And he is bringing something we need. The worst part is the over 35. If he gets severely injured, coupled with the Pronger contract, there could be a huge off season cap issue.

- GirouxForTheShow


I hope to God you pair him with Schenn because it will amount to the easiest 8 games we've ever had against the Flyers. The point is Streit is/was not the the type of player you guys needed. I can find you tons of puck moving dmen in this league that suck defensively. You're going to find out fast that Streit's puck moving skills are only 'pretty good' and his shortcomings will far outweigh his positives if you expect to use him in any type of extensive role, and that's the point. You just signed a specialty player who will be 40 by the end of his term for over $5million a season. I don't care what the market is due to Gonchar's laughable contract, the mark of a good team in all sports these days are the one's who don't get sucked into the inflated market and find away to remain financially responsible.
Now if you guys had signed him to a two year contract, we'd still tell you he was overpriced but at least the term would be short enough that you won't be slapping your own forehead after year two saying 'we've got to find a way to trade this guy out of here'. The bottom line is it was the 3rd best pp in the league, meaning it was the one facet of your game that was steadily working. Meanwhile, your team is WEAK in front of your own net and in your own zone. You have a suspect goaltender who is mentally weak and becomes much worse when his defense struggles. Now you've signed a player who, at his price, will be expected to play a top 4 role and will make that aspect of your game notably worse. You would have been much better served to spend money like that on a wing that can help Giroux overachieve again like Jagr did. Instead, you've just tied up all of your loose cash on an overaged, overpriced, declining defenseman.

Xxkeaner17xX
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Jun 18 @ 8:49 AM ET
Maybe for Philly this was a good deal, but for the Isles, it was too much to pay. $21M over four years for a 35 year old d-man who is a bottom pair d-man defensively is too much for a team like the Isles, a team who's window to win won't be open during the years of that contract where Streit's play may possibly (but not likely) warrant that $5M+ per year salary.

I'm happy for Streit that he got paid, as he was a good Islander. But I'm also happy the Isles didn't give him that deal.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jun 18 @ 8:51 AM ET
4 years @ $5.25M per?



I'm glad it wasn't your team that did this poor job
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jun 18 @ 8:52 AM ET
Maybe for Philly this was a good deal, but for the Isles, it was too much to pay. $21M over four years for a 35 year old d-man who is a bottom pair d-man defensively is too much for a team like the Isles, a team who's window to win won't be open during the years of that contract where Streit's play may possibly (but not likely) warrant that $5M+ per year salary.

I'm happy for Streit that he got paid, as he was a good Islander. But I'm also happy the Isles didn't give him that deal.

- Jethro09

What did the Islanders offer to Streit? 3 years at $5M?
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 8:55 AM ET
You can but he would have to sign it to be relevant. Anyone can put an offer sheet out but if the player signs it, thats what matters. Guarenteed that won't happen
- BernieKorch


I don't think we will, but I could see another team (like Toronto) doing it. Even with Pronger on the long term injury list and Brier/Bryz bought out, the Flyers will now be about $6 mil from the celiling with still about 8 roster spots to fill. This for a team that clearly had some major flaws in it's own end last year. They'll have to break the bank to keep Giroux in house, and added with Streit's contract, it won't leave much room for a vast improvement via free agency over the next couple of years.

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keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 8:56 AM ET
What did the Islanders offer to Streit? 3 years at $5M?
- Orpik44

3 years @ $4.6 I believe. It was a loyalty offer, IMO. Once his agent said they wanted $5.5 mil, we told him to call his cab.

Xxkeaner17xX
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Jun 18 @ 8:57 AM ET
It's not good it's great. The guy was captain because there was no other choice at the time.
- ses111

Lets not trivialize Streit's captaincy. He was a good captain. I've haven't read or heard anything to indicate otherwise. Just because he didn't yell and scream and get animated on the ice doesn't mean he wasn't a good leader. Streit was a good Islander.

That being said, you're right. He doesn't warrant $5M+ per season, I don't care how good an "Islander" he was. His skills are declining ever since his shoulder injury. He can't defend worth s**t. He's a bottom pair defender and a top-notch offensive d-man. He'll QB the PP well and log bottom pair minutes. If someone thinks that's worth 4 years and $5M+ per season to a 35 year old, then that's their opinion and their entitled to it.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Jun 18 @ 8:58 AM ET
What did the Islanders offer to Streit? 3 years at $5M?
- Orpik44

I believe 3 years, $4.75M. Same annual amount as they paid Visnovsky with an extra year, as Streit is one year younger than Vis.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jun 18 @ 8:58 AM ET
3 years @ $4.6 I believe. It was a loyalty offer, IMO. Once his agent said they wanted $5.5 mil, we told him to call his cab.

Xxkeaner17xX

- keaner17

Signature at the end

$4.6 was a fair amount for a guy like Streit...but even at 3 years I find it tough. At 2 it's ok.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 9:01 AM ET
Signature at the end

$4.6 was a fair amount for a guy like Streit...but even at 3 years I find it tough. At 2 it's ok.

- Orpik44



As for the offer, the funny thing is most of us widely agreed we'd take him back for two years if the price was low enough to justify his bottom pairing ability. We were saying between $3.5 to $4 million. Then Visnovsky signed and we figured he might look for more money. Once the rumor broke that he was looking for 4 years, we all pretty widely agreed we didn't want him around. Some of us, including myself, have wanted him out since last year.

Xxkeaner17xX
Ur Not Me
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 11.30.2008

Jun 18 @ 9:01 AM ET
Yes, I'm sure Giroux would just be jumping for joy to play for NYI.

"Hey Claude, you're really good and we'd love to give you a huge payday. But, um, see, we have this Tavares guy who we just named captain. So, you need to have the newly-appointed C taken off your jersey. And Tavares is our top line center, and we don't have much depth at wing, so you'll be playing with a guy named Kyle who can't score and a guy named Michael who can't pass. So, ready to sign up?"

- jmatchett383



Hey, u never know, not saying it will happen, but stranger things have happened in the league......

JT is a top 5 talent now, who wouldn't want to play with him?
If Isles add another Star, we become an upper echelon team....easily
look at teams that have 2 stars, Kings, Pens, Chi, SJ, Anh, Bos, Van, most teams have 1 star and good players, isles have 1 star and roll players.....
nightmare3020
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor Area, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 18 @ 9:06 AM ET
Hey, u never know, not saying it will happen, but stranger things have happened in the league......

JT is a top 5 talent now, who wouldn't want to play with him?
If Isles add another Star, we become an upper echelon team....easily
look at teams that have 2 stars, Kings, Pens, Chi, SJ, Anh, Bos, Van, most teams have 1 star and good players, isles have 1 star and roll players.....

- Ur Not Me

kings have carter richards kopitar brown doughty quick... all top line players easily 3 stars
Sj - never wins anything but has a bunch more depth
Chicago - towes, kane, keith, seabrook , sharp , hossa again top line guys easily 3 stars
Pens- Malkin, crosby, neal, letang, MAF except this year , again more depth 3 stars

would you like to continue?

all these teams have atleast 3 stars, one on d and a bunch more depth than the islanders. To say you will be an upper echelon team is laughable, but with another legit star you could make the playoffs, and then as we have seen anything can happen

I like where the islanders are heading tho some good prospects
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 9:07 AM ET
Lets not trivialize Streit's captaincy. He was a good captain. I've haven't read or heard anything to indicate otherwise. Just because he didn't yell and scream and get animated on the ice doesn't mean he wasn't a good leader. Streit was a good Islander.

That being said, you're right. He doesn't warrant $5M+ per season, I don't care how good an "Islander" he was. His skills are declining ever since his shoulder injury. He can't defend worth s**t. He's a bottom pair defender and a top-notch offensive d-man. He'll QB the PP well and log bottom pair minutes. If someone thinks that's worth 4 years and $5M+ per season to a 35 year old, then that's their opinion and their entitled to it.

- Jethro09


I don't think I'd qualify him as a 'good captain'. He was signed as a free agent and had a good first year so we immediately handed him the reins. If anything, I think he was an extended interim Captain until JT was ready for the role. That said, I don't think Streit really had any of the qualities that I'd be looking for in a Captain.
He isn't outspoken, or even vocal for that matter. He's not the type of guy who will join a scrum to stick up for his teammates either. He's a self admitted quiet guy who chooses to 'lead by example'. What began to concern me with him this last year was, he started to take a lot of shifts off which meant even that 'example' was starting to be less than stellar. So overall, I don't see him as a good Captain at all, but not a bad one either.

Xxkeaner17xX
NYI44
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 05.18.2013

Jun 18 @ 9:10 AM ET
kings have carter richards kopitar brown doughty quick... all top line players easily 3 stars
Sj - never wins anything but has a bunch more depth
Chicago - towes, kane, keith, seabrook , sharp , hossa again top line guys easily 3 stars
Pens- Malkin, crosby, neal, letang, MAF except this year , again more depth 3 stars

would you like to continue?

all these teams have atleast 3 stars, one on d and a bunch more depth than the islanders. To say you will be an upper echelon team is laughable, but with another legit star you could make the playoffs, and then as we have seen anything can happen

I like where the islanders are heading tho some good prospects

- nightmare3020

Do you realize we made the playoffs this year?
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 9:16 AM ET
Yes, I'm sure Giroux would just be jumping for joy to play for NYI.

"Hey Claude, you're really good and we'd love to give you a huge payday. But, um, see, we have this Tavares guy who we just named captain. So, you need to have the newly-appointed C taken off your jersey. And Tavares is our top line center, and we don't have much depth at wing, so you'll be playing with a guy named Kyle who can't score and a guy named Michael who can't pass. So, ready to sign up?"

- jmatchett383


I don't think we'd bother with Giroux, but your comment is a bit misinformed. First off, JT is unquestionably our top forward. That said, we have a pretty good list of wingers coming up (arguably better than yours) with Strome and Nino along with guys like Moulson and Grabner. All four of those players can likely be 30+ goal guys (two already are). So let's not pretend that he'd be playing with lesser talent.

Xxkeaner17xX
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jun 18 @ 9:16 AM ET
Hey, if Flyers fans are jumping for joy over the deal, then good for them. I know we're glad that Snow didn't do it, so everyone's happy.

((UIF))
Ur Not Me
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 11.30.2008

Jun 18 @ 9:16 AM ET
kings have carter richards kopitar brown doughty quick... all top line players easily 3 stars
Sj - never wins anything but has a bunch more depth
Chicago - towes, kane, keith, seabrook , sharp , hossa again top line guys easily 3 stars
Pens- Malkin, crosby, neal, letang, MAF except this year , again more depth 3 stars

would you like to continue?

all these teams have atleast 3 stars, one on d and a bunch more depth than the islanders. To say you will be an upper echelon team is laughable, but with another legit star you could make the playoffs, and then as we have seen anything can happen

I like where the islanders are heading tho some good prospects

- nightmare3020



Thanks for listing multiple stars, I was referring to as, top echelon teams have at least 2 stars on team.....
Should of been more detailed/specific for certain readers....
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Jun 18 @ 9:16 AM ET
Do you realize we made the playoffs this year?
- NYI44

It really doesn't count...
NYI44
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 05.18.2013

Jun 18 @ 9:18 AM ET
It really doesn't count...
- Flyfreaky

For us it really does. First time in 7 years. Step in the right direction finally.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 18 @ 9:18 AM ET
I hope to God you pair him with Schenn because it will amount to the easiest 8 games we've ever had against the Flyers.
- keaner17


Uh, you do realize the Flyers were 2-1-1 against the Isles last season, including a 7-0 beatdown in Long Island and with guys like Kurtis Foster, Bruno Gervais, Matt Konan and Brandon Manning playing defense? In the worst season the Flyers have had since 2006-2007 -- where you finished a whole SIX POINTS ahead of them in a shortened season?

On what planet, exactly, are the New York Islanders going to have "the easiest 8 games we've ever had against the Flyers" next season?

Because it sure as hell ain't Planet Earth.

Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Jun 18 @ 9:18 AM ET
For us it really does. First time in 7 years. Step in the right direction finally.
- NYI44

You know the saying: One step forward, two steps back...
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 9:20 AM ET
Our options were, trade Couturier and or Schenn and or out 1st pick this year and next for maybe a guy like Yandle. It was really a case of overpay cash which we have a lot of as an org, or overpay in young assets we just acquired in 2011. I'll take this option any day as I don't want them swtiching gears again so soon.
- Hextall271

I hear you. I just think it's crazy he got that kind of money, thank God he didn't accept our offer. When I heard Snow offered him what he did I was shocked along with everyone on here. I hope youguys get a good year out of him at least. He was plain bad at times last season in his contract year. The guy does have some offensive skills but he is defensively terrible to a point that you forget about the assist he just got. I cringed quite a few times last year.
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