yea it's certainly debatable. again, you guys got a hell of a return for those 2 guys and the trades worked out nicely for you.

voracek is the closest player out of any of those guys to carter or richards but carter is a 40 goal scorer and richards is a 30 goal scorer and they played a key part in your finals run and a key part in the kings' cup victory is all i'm saying.
- rangerdanger94

Voracek's totals this past Season project to 37 goals and 41 assists for 78 points over an 82 game Season.

In the playoffs MDZ averaged 3:14 on the PP. Moore averaged 1:22. MDZ averaged 17:10 at ES. Moore 14:59. Equal on the PK. :45 to :46.

Like I said, I think the Rangers made a great trade. He has a lot of potential. Also love McDonaugh. Another great trade.
- MJL

he took over MDZ's spot towards the end of the washington series i believe. the 1st few games, torts didn't really trust him.

additionally, stralman eventually went down to injury which inserted MDZ back into the top-4 to match moore's minutes.

but yea, this kid is a little gem that not many people know about. he certainly still has to develop a lot more to be a top-4 mainstay but we're all very pleasantly surprised. he's good enough to make MDZ is expendable, and that's pretty big because we considered MDZ absolutely untouchable last season.

yea it's certainly debatable. again, you guys got a hell of a return for those 2 guys and the trades worked out nicely for you.

voracek is the closest player out of any of those guys to carter or richards but carter is a 40 goal scorer and richards is a 30 goal scorer and they played a key part in your finals run and a key part in the kings' cup victory is all i'm saying.
- rangerdanger94

Schenn I think will be more offensive gifted then Richards. Worse on defense though. If you look at Richards he broke out his nth rid /fourth season. Schenn has only had about 1.5 seasons with injuries.

he took over MDZ's spot towards the end of the washington series i believe. the 1st few games, torts didn't really trust him.

additionally, stralman eventually went down to injury which inserted MDZ back into the top-4 to match moore's minutes.

but yea, this kid is a little gem that not many people know about. he certainly still has to develop a lot more to be a top-4 mainstay but we're all very pleasantly surprised. he's good enough to make MDZ is expendable, and that's pretty big because we considered MDZ absolutely untouchable last season.
- rangerdanger94

There were two games. Game 5 of the Washington Series, and game 5 of the Boston Series. Where Moore had more icetime then DelZotto. But other then that, Del Zotto played more by a wide margin.

I hope they trade MDZ then. That would be a mistake.

Voracek's totals this past Season project to 37 goals and 41 assists for 78 points over an 82 game Season.
- MJL

i don't care about projections. it still has to happen.

in an 82 game season, the islanders would be projected to still make the playoffs. the flyers would still be projected to miss them. but we know that if we ended up playing a full 82 game season, the flyers probably would've made it and the islanders would've flopped out.

I hope they trade MDZ then. That would be a mistake.
- MJL

i hope they don't. this is a defense that could compete for the cup for years in front of hank:
mcdonagh - girardi
staal - moore
MDZ - stralman

i hope they don't. this is a defense that could compete for the cup for years in front of hank:
mcdonagh - girardi
staal - moore
MDZ - stralman
- rangerdanger94

It still baffles me how much that team underachieves.

Is there any realistic scenario that the Flyers fit under the cap next year without buying out Bryzgalov? Getting rid of Briere but adding Streit gets it done? Would they just have to give away more than Meszaros?

It still baffles me how much that team underachieves.
- cmr.266

i despise tortarella so let's just say it was him. very well may have been, we'll see

Schenn I think will be more offensive gifted then Richards. Worse on defense though. If you look at Richards he broke out his nth rid /fourth season. Schenn has only had about 1.5 seasons with injuries.
- PhillaBully

Schenn needs to wake up next year

i hope they don't. this is a defense that could compete for the cup for years in front of hank:
mcdonagh - girardi
staal - moore
MDZ - stralman
- rangerdanger94

When are you getting around to signing your rfa's?

i despise tortarella so let's just say it was him. very well may have been, we'll see
- FlyerMike18

They obviously hated playing for them. Gaborik was begging for a trade, even if it was Columbus... who is all of a sudden up and coming. Guess it's about time.

i don't care about projections. it still has to happen.

in an 82 game season, the islanders would be projected to still make the playoffs. the flyers would still be projected to miss them. but we know that if we ended up playing a full 82 game season, the flyers probably would've made it and the islanders would've flopped out.
- rangerdanger94

It did happen. That's what the projections are based on. Voracek had a break out Season. And that play was also present in the 2nd half of the previous Season.

Schenn needs to wake up next year
- Just5

Patience patience patience... The kid was third in ahl scoring during the lockout. Don't think we have much to worry about

Is there any realistic scenario that the Flyers fit under the cap next year without buying out Bryzgalov? Getting rid of Briere but adding Streit gets it done? Would they just have to give away more than Meszaros?
- eayost

Yes, absolutely. I'd have to look at the numbers to know exactly what has to happen.

Edit:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,720,833; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,379,167

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.851m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.944m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Chris Pronger (-$1.046m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,243,762; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,856,23

No LTIR option at least I could find? Anyway this doesnt look so bad not a fan of keeping Bryz but it can work financially.

Is there any realistic scenario that the Flyers fit under the cap next year without buying out Bryzgalov? Getting rid of Briere but adding Streit gets it done? Would they just have to give away more than Meszaros?
- eayost

nah buyout briere and trade drej and they're under. only gotta move more salary if they want to make other moves

Patience patience patience... The kid was third in ahl scoring during the lockout. Don't think we have much to worry about
- PhillaBully

I'm more worried about his all around game. I don't have much patience for 2nd line centers who are bad defensively

I'm more worried about his all around game. I don't have much patience for 2nd line centers who are bad defensively
- Just5

Dude's 21. He made some progress there, but I think we can both agree that this is a critical year for him.

Yes, absolutely. I'd have to look at the numbers to know exactly what has to happen.
- MJL

briere amnesty, unload meszaros, and resign gus for 1.5 (which i think is a conservative number) and they are around 2 mil under with 12 forwards and 9 d-men. waiving mab would also be an option

Oh yes, more from timmy.

@tpanotchCSN: Paul Holmgren to CSN: "I didn't assure Ritch Winter of anything. When the time comes to do our business we will do whatever is best for our hockey team"

lol

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.851m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.944m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Chris Pronger (-$1.046m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,243,762; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,856,23

No LTIR option at least I could find? Anyway this doesnt look so bad not a fan of keeping Bryz but it can work financially.
- flyerfan28

Can't buyout Pronger. Simply uncheck demoted contracts. And then just X out Pronger.

Grand Rapids (Detroit's AHL team) won the Calder Cup tonight. Their top 7 playoff scorers are between 19 & 24..........

No need for the Flyers to ever try a similar path to success.

briere amnesty, unload meszaros, and resign gus for 1.5 (which i think is a conservative number) and they are around 2 mil under with 12 forwards and 9 d-men. waiving mab would also be an option
- FlyerMike18

I would say 1.5M for Gustafsson is high.