I dunno, that own goal by Fleury against the USA in the WJC final kinda backs my point
- chompsey

Yep. Fleury can win 100 cups but that is what I will remember him for

I find it hard to believe that anybody is trading for Luongo.

I guess the only way is if another team sends an equally bad and long contract.

A buyout is pretty much the only option. If anyone gives up 2 seconds and takes his contract, they are just crazy.
- carcus

I think we now have consensus. No one outside of Canuck fans believes Luongo can be traded.

If we had Lu we would have won the 2013 Stanley Cup by now.....
- mrpaulish

Nope. We would have won the 2014 cup by now. Chompsey says he is the best. He won the gold all by his lonesome.

It's sarcasm, genius.

Hank hasn't won Yost's HB poster of the year two years running for nothing.

He's good at what he does...
- Fosco

I am new to Gillis land and I missed the award ceremony.

He should put it in his handle...

I am new to Gillis land and I missed the award ceremony.

He should put it in his handle...
- tredbrta

Agreed.

I know I would...but I wasn't even nominated...

Nope. Buyout or bust. Can't risk recapture on anything less than a sure thing.
- DrChristianTroy

I'm hearing teams will sue the NHL.

I'm hearing teams will sue the NHL.
- Boinker

I'm sure they will. This whole thing of making things up as they go along isn't going to work.

I'm hearing teams will sue the NHL.
- Boinker

It's not a winnable case, the NHL has anti-trust exemptions and can dictate the rules by which the teams operate, and in this case it's been agreed to by the players and owners in the collective agreement. The fact that the contracts were approved has no bearing on the fact that the rules have changed. What you might see is when it comes to interpretation (via a grievance process in front of a labour judge (which is actually the only legal way teams can dispute the CBA)) that the contracts that were approved before the CBA was signed is that they were grandfathered in (sort of how the NHL is handling visors where every player coming into the league have to wear one, but current players still having the option not to). But it would depend on the judge and where the case is heard as plenty of jurisdictions have different labour laws/interpretations of them. It also would depend on whether or not the NHL is serious in enforcing that clause in the CBA too, they might decide it's not worth the fight as if someone retires due to injury and insurance is involved then that could open up a can of worms.

I think we now have consensus. No one outside of Canuck fans believes Luongo can be traded.
- tredbrta

Inaccurate. I believe Luongo can be traded, I just believe Vancouver is a too respectable franchise to do it. But Luongo COULD be traded, it would just take a deal something like:

Vancouver gives:
Luongo
1st Round Draft Pick 2013
1st Round Draft Pick 2014

Buffalo gives:
4th Round Draft Pick 2014
John Scott


Pegula is crazy and rich, he would be happy to basically buy a couple first round picks from Vancouver for the cost of 20 million or whatever Luongo's buyout would cost him right after the trade.

It's not a winnable case, the NHL has anti-trust exemptions and can dictate the rules by which the teams operate, and in this case it's been agreed to by the players and owners in the collective agreement. The fact that the contracts were approved has no bearing on the fact that the rules have changed. What you might see is when it comes to interpretation (via a grievance process in front of a labour judge (which is actually the only legal way teams can dispute the CBA)) that the contracts that were approved before the CBA was signed is that they were grandfathered in (sort of how the NHL is handling visors where every player coming into the league have to wear one, but current players still having the option not to). But it would depend on the judge and where the case is heard as plenty of jurisdictions have different labour laws/interpretations of them. It also would depend on whether or not the NHL is serious in enforcing that clause in the CBA too, they might decide it's not worth the fight as if someone retires due to injury and insurance is involved then that could open up a can of worms.
- DariusKnight

It's not a winnable case because there is only 1 party, the owners of the NHL teams. They would in essence be suing themselves over a contract they agreed to. Just won't happen, ridiculous to even suggest.

All of the goaltenders on your list are better than Luongo. Luongo "at his best" is extremely good however, but he's too inconsistent and NEVER good when it counts. I say take whatever the market gets you for him because subtracting Luooooo just makes Schneider better.

It's not a winnable case because there is only 1 party, the owners of the NHL teams. They would in essence be suing themselves over a contract they agreed to. Just won't happen, ridiculous to even suggest.
- Antilles

Well, like I said, the players themselves would have to grieve the clause, because that's the only way it could be challenged, and again it would depend on what a judge interprets that clause as it applies to the SPCs that it's covering (Luongo/Weber/Crosby/Ovechkin/Kovalchuck/Suter/Parise/etc)

I'm hearing teams will sue the NHL.
- Boinker

Teams are the NHL.

Or a team just waits and Van is forced to buy him out, then you just sign him

Well, like I said, the players themselves would have to grieve the clause, because that's the only way it could be challenged, and again it would depend on what a judge interprets that clause as it applies to the SPCs that it's covering (Luongo/Weber/Crosby/Ovechkin/Kovalchuck/Suter/Parise/etc)
- DariusKnight

Part of the CBA players agreed to included the altering of already signed contracts (how they worked). Can't go back on that now.

All of the goaltenders on your list are better than Luongo. Luongo "at his best" is extremely good however, but he's too inconsistent and NEVER good when it counts. I say take whatever the market gets you for him because subtracting Luooooo just makes Schneider better.
- JLO961

Only Miller is even debatable.

Bernier and Halak are young enough that they might be eventually, but I doubt they string together a stretch of seasons as dominant as Luongo has in his career. Neither are currently bette, nor is anyone else on that list.

What did I miss ? Fill in the blanks

Entertaining NBA finals

Entertaining NBA finals
- VANTEL

I watched the last 25 seconds and got the best part of the game. Happy for Lebron.

Lu is better than Miller? Lu is more accomplished than Miller? Who did your homework?

Miller is a Vezina winner sir! Bobby-lu? I think not!!

As for Bernier.....of course Lu is more accomplished....he's over a decade older! As for being better....time will only tell.

What a horrible blog....sorry...but whoa!!!

I feel sad for the spurs organization
They really deserved that title but it just slipped away
I feel the most sadness for Duncan..

Lu is better than Miller? Lu is more accomplished than Miller? Who did your homework?

Miller is a Vezina winner sir! Bobby-lu? I think not!!

As for Bernier.....of course Lu is more accomplished....he's over a decade older! As for being better....time will only tell.

What a horrible blog....sorry...but whoa!!!
- MadManPaddy

Do us all a favor and take a long walk off a short pier.....

Then he'd have to show up and sit on the bench or press box, catch flights to Nashville, and practice. I have my doubts he'd even look for his equipment bag in the back of the garage for 1 million dollars per year.

And remember Florida (for example) doesn't care if he retires ...they don't care about their share of the Cap Recapture because they aren't a team that spends to the Cap. Hell they'll be pushing him into retirement as soon as he's no longer the starter. The only party penalized in the "early retirement" scenario is Vancity.

I should say though ...I don't know how big the cap recapture even is for Van if he predictably retires at 39 or 40. Maybe the amount isn't that bad in the face of what the Cap limit may be by then??? Maybe it is worth it???
- The Law

No. He could pull a Thomas, not retire, be suspended by the team, no salary, no cap hit.

Why do Vancouver fans think they will be getting blue chip prospects and 1st rounders for Lu? Teams can get him next week for nothing when he is bought out.
- spliffster33

Why do Toronto fans think Vancouver fans think this???

They are already on the hook for 7.5 million, over however many years are left on his contract when he retires. It'll be up to 14.5 million eventually.

Did some quick numbers, rounded so not precise, just close. If Luongo retires at
39: 4 years of 3.6 cap hit if kept till then, 1.8 if traded now
40: 3 years of 4.8 cap hit if kept till then, 2.5 if traded now
41: 2 years of 7.25 cap hit if kept till then, 3.75 if traded now
42: 1 year of 14.5 cap hit if kept till then, 7.5 if traded now
43: nothing, contract completed.

With the cap going up each year, those numbers aren't staggering unless he retires at 42. But it's still a disadvantage they are putting themselves at down the road by doing anything other than buying him out. And the idea of them avoiding it by him taking up a roster space and being a 5.3 cap hit per year is just silly.
- Antilles

What the hell are you talking about?