Would it be any different if Snow announced he was trying to trade DiPietro? No, cause the rest of the league doesn't need to hear an announcement to know what's happening.
- KB3Point0

It certainly is. DP is not anyone's realistic option for an NHL goaltender. Luongo is/was. You could've got at least a pick for the guy. If you can't see that i don't know what to tell you.

I'm going golfing, this poop is getting old. Real old!
- LeftCoaster

Me too, but my tee time isn't for a few more hours

Ian where is the new blog? someone needs to end this gong show.

On what planet is that a good deal for both sides? They trade three, potentially very good to great young pieces to the Canucks for a 34 year old goaltender on the downswing of his career with a contract that makes RDP's look cap friendly.
- Michael_Stuart

And what exactly would indicate that either Nino or Dehaan are going to be "great?" Please. They are both projects. Luongo is proven, as is Raymond.

Let's all rewind one second. Gillis's indecision is largely to blame for the decrease in Luongo's trade value but it starts long before this year.

Two years ago, the Canucks held a trade chip at the deadline that could have fetched a great young player, or two, in an attempt to give the team a better chance at winning the Stanley Cup then, and moving forward. That chip was Cory Schneider. Gillis failed to trade Schneider when he could, and then Alain Vigneault made Cory Schneider the starter in the middle of that first round series. That's not what sealed the deal.

Gillis could have continued on with belief in Luongo, and fetched a bounty for Schneider. Or, he could have kept quiet, not tipped his hat, and quietly taken offers for both goalies with the intention of dealing Luongo. Instead, the team came out and said that Schneider was 'the guy'. That's all fine and good, as Schneider's a fantastic goaltender, but it completely eliminated any value for Luongo on the trade market.

As has been pointed out by a fellow Lightning fan, the Canucks lost all leverage in negotiations. It's widely known that the team has to get rid of Luongo. Why pay a high price for something that is going to have to happen regardless? That's the mindset every potential buyer has right now. The market for him wasn't very big to begin with, given the length of his contract. Gillis screwed this up royally. This coming from as big of a Luongo fan as you'll find.

Luongo could be Patrick Roy in his prime, and that wouldn't change anything. The value of a player who has to be traded is virtually nil.
- Michael_Stuart

They had to support Schneider if they wanted to keep him because he was an RFA. By not supporting him he could have signed an offer sheet and left for nothing, or had he signed an offer sheet they would have been even more screwed with Luongo because they would not be allowed to trade Schneider for a year. Once again, get your facts straight.

It's called "common sense." Unless the Islanders are planning to go with Dipietro next season?
It was also reported by a few insiders. But you're probably more connected to the Islanders, huh?
I would do Luongo for Nino, Dehaan and the Islanders 1st. Gillis would probably have to add in the rights to Raymond or something but a nice trade for both sides.
- hankthetank

Than you with information on the Islanders? I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes. That trade sounds about right.

Gillis nor anyone in the organization should have ANNOUNCED Cory as the starter. Even if it was going to be the case other teams were calling and offering for Schneider. Gillis could have made the demands ridiculous for Cory therefor making Lu a little more appealing. Instead Gillis let AV announce to the world that Cory wasn't going anywhere and Lu had to move. That my friend is decreasing leverage and backing the team into a corner. They should have kept their plans to themselves and used one against the other in trade negotiations. Sheer stupidity to do what they did and to argue otherwise is just joining them on that train
- uf1910

Schneider was an RFA. They had to support him or lose him.

They had to support Schneider if they wanted to keep him because he was an RFA. By not supporting him he could have signed an offer sheet and left for nothing, or had he signed an offer sheet they would have been even more screwed with Luongo because they would not be allowed to trade Schneider for a year. Once again, get your facts straight.
- KB3Point0

OK. So they are better off buying him out than trading him for something, anything. Of course. Buy him out, have a team pick him up for nothing but salary, you get no return. That's genius. Done here, have a good one
- Cptmjl

Can you even read?

AV never made any announcement. He wouldn't even say who was starting a game the morning of. The only way people knew was by who came off the ice first. Once again, get your facts straight.
- KB3Point0

http://www.ourhometown.ca...windsor/sports/JF0059.php

But it seemed like the ink on the round 2 playoff schedule wasn’t even dry yet when Gillis announced Schneider would be the go-to netminder for the Canucks come the 2013 season, and that Luongo would be moved.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...act-quickly-goalie-issue/

And when Canucks coach Alain Vigneault announced that Schneider would be Vancouver’s starter come 2012-13, Luongo requested a trade. Vancouver agreed to oblige. No sense, it seemed, in keeping a $5.33-million backup with nine years remaining on his contract.

It's not about one game. It was about announcing Schneider as the starter going into this season which was announced. And it sure seems a lot of people remember it being announced and websites also. But I guess it's all fake and it was never announced and Lu never requested a trade.

It certainly is. DP is not anyone's realistic option for an NHL goaltender. Luongo is/was. You could've got at least a pick for the guy. If you can't see that i don't know what to tell you.
- Cptmjl

They could still get a pick for the guy.

- Cptmjl

This isn't really contributing anything. Either respond with words or don't respond at all.

They had to support Schneider if they wanted to keep him because he was an RFA. By not supporting him he could have signed an offer sheet and left for nothing, or had he signed an offer sheet they would have been even more screwed with Luongo because they would not be allowed to trade Schneider for a year. Once again, get your facts straight.
- KB3Point0

I haven't had the pleasure of being told once yet.

Your situation in which they're "more screwed" is really no different than where they are now. They have to deal Luongo, and Schneider is locked in. You're just highlighting why Gillis messed it up. He put himself in a no-win situation. He should have traded Schneider, arguably the most valuable trade chip rumored to be available, when he had the chance. Or, he should have quietly dealt with Luongo prior to Schneider becoming 'the guy'. It's that simple. Publicly coming out and saying basically saying that Roberto is leaving eliminates all value. While you think you've one-upped me, all you've done is pointed out Gillis's massive failing with this portfolio.

http://www.ourhometown.ca/windsor/sports/JF0059.php

But it seemed like the ink on the round 2 playoff schedule wasn’t even dry yet when Gillis announced Schneider would be the go-to netminder for the Canucks come the 2013 season, and that Luongo would be moved.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...act-quickly-goalie-issue/

And when Canucks coach Alain Vigneault announced that Schneider would be Vancouver’s starter come 2012-13, Luongo requested a trade. Vancouver agreed to oblige. No sense, it seemed, in keeping a $5.33-million backup with nine years remaining on his contract.

It's not about one game. It was about announcing Schneider as the starter going into this season which was announced. And it sure seems a lot of people remember it being announced and websites also. But I guess it's all fake and it was never announced and Lu never requested a trade.
- uf1910

Bingo. There was no need to say that publicly. Say whatever you want behind closed doors, but publicly? That's a rookie mistake.

http://www.ourhometown.ca/windsor/sports/JF0059.php

But it seemed like the ink on the round 2 playoff schedule wasn’t even dry yet when Gillis announced Schneider would be the go-to netminder for the Canucks come the 2013 season, and that Luongo would be moved.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...act-quickly-goalie-issue/

And when Canucks coach Alain Vigneault announced that Schneider would be Vancouver’s starter come 2012-13, Luongo requested a trade. Vancouver agreed to oblige. No sense, it seemed, in keeping a $5.33-million backup with nine years remaining on his contract.

It's not about one game. It was about announcing Schneider as the starter going into this season which was announced. And it sure seems a lot of people remember it being announced and websites also. But I guess it's all fake and it was never announced and Lu never requested a trade.
- uf1910

AV never said Schneider would be the starter going into 2012-13. The press made the assumption based on the fact Schneider started the final games in the playoffs. Then Luongo stated that it might be best if he was traded.

I haven't had the pleasure of being told once yet.

Your situation in which they're "more screwed" is really no different than where they are now. They have to deal Luongo, and Schneider is locked in. You're just highlighting why Gillis messed it up. He put himself in a no-win situation. He should have traded Schneider, arguably the most valuable trade chip rumored to be available, when he had the chance. Or, he should have quietly dealt with Luongo prior to Schneider becoming 'the guy'. It's that simple. Publicly coming out and saying basically saying that Roberto is leaving eliminates all value. While you think you've one-upped me, all you've done is pointed out Gillis's massive failing with this portfolio.
- Michael_Stuart

No it doesn't. As everyone has already stated, his contract is what eliminates value.

I haven't had the pleasure of being told once yet.

Your situation in which they're "more screwed" is really no different than where they are now. They have to deal Luongo, and Schneider is locked in. You're just highlighting why Gillis messed it up. He put himself in a no-win situation. He should have traded Schneider, arguably the most valuable trade chip rumored to be available, when he had the chance. Or, he should have quietly dealt with Luongo prior to Schneider becoming 'the guy'. It's that simple. Publicly coming out and saying basically saying that Roberto is leaving eliminates all value. While you think you've one-upped me, all you've done is pointed out Gillis's massive failing with this portfolio.
- Michael_Stuart

For sure. Gillis has made a mess, his smugness and indecision continue to annoy everyone.

Bingo. There was no need to say that publicly. Say whatever you want behind closed doors, but publicly? That's a rookie mistake.
- Michael_Stuart

I love that you all think Luongo has no value because of his contract, but if Gillis had never stated they were moving forward with Schneider, Luongo would magically have been traded for a tonne of value already.

You also say he has no value, because of his contract, and yet apparently there were all these great offers a year or two ago for him (when he still had the contract, and there was even more time left on it) that Gillis just turned down because he wanted more.

Zero logic in your argument.

Than you with information on the Islanders? I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes. That trade sounds about right.
- Cptmjl

We're both hockey fans. What makes you more connected to the Islanders than me?
Islanders are desperate for a goalie. When Nabokov is you're number 1 goalie you know you're in need of an upgrade. Islanders are getting infamous for drafting the wrong player or their draft picks not reaching their potential. Raymond is a proven top 6 player and Luongo is still the best goalie in the NHL when he wants to be. It's actually a one sided deal for the Isles if you break it down but the Canucks need to get younger. Neither Nino or Dehaan is even ready for the NHL and might never be.

For sure. Gillis has made a mess, his smugness and indecision continue to annoy everyone.
- VanHockeyGuy

Absolutely. Gillis gambled and he failed. He'll top it all off by hiring Torts

I love that you all think Luongo has no value because of his contract, but if Gillis had never stated they were moving forward with Schneider, Luongo would magically have been traded for a tonne of value already.

You also say he has no value, because of his contract, and yet apparently there were all these great offers a year or two ago for him (when he still had the contract, and there was even more time left on it) that Gillis just turned down because he wanted more.

Zero logic in your argument.
- KB3Point0

I never said that. You're never going to get great value for Luongo, because of his contract. Gillis further reduced that value by toying around and being indecisive. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp there. I have no emotional involvement in the decision, so this is all coming from a neutral outsider. Everything comes back to Gillis. He signed him to the contract (which is fine if he remains your number one), he replaced him with a new goaltender, and he failed to trade him because he got greedy with his asking price. This isn't rocket science.

EDIT - Once Gillis signed Luongo's deal, a career commitment existed. Getting out of that commitment at full value was always going to be impossible.

We're both hockey fans. What makes you more connected to the Islanders than me?
Islanders are desperate for a goalie. When Nabokov is you're number 1 goalie you know you're in need of an upgrade. Islanders are getting infamous for drafting the wrong player or their draft picks not reaching their potential. Raymond is a proven top 6 player and Luongo is still the best goalie in the NHL when he wants to be. It's actually a one sided deal for the Isles if you break it down but the Canucks need to get younger. Neither Nino or Dehaan is even ready for the NHL and might never be.
- hankthetank

Luongo isn't the best goalie in the NHL when he wants to be. Raymond Isn't a top 6 forward. The fact that almost no one in Vancouver wants Raymond back is evidence enough. Vancouver hasn't been very good with draft picks since 2004 - by Nonis. He drafted Schneider, Edler and Hansen. If the NY made the trade you suggested, I'd take MG off the fired list to executive of the year.

For sure. Gillis has made a mess, his smugness and indecision continue to annoy everyone.
- VanHockeyGuy

Agreed.

Luongo isn't the best goalie in the NHL when he wants to be. Raymond Isn't a top 6 forward. The fact that almost no one in Vancouver wants Raymond back is evidence enough. Vancouver hasn't been very good with draft picks since 2004 - by Nonis. He drafted Schneider, Edler and Hansen. If the NY made the trade you suggested, I'd take MG off the fired list to executive of the year.
- Canuckleafer

I'm guessing that was a joke, hopefully?

I never said that. You're never going to get great value for Luongo, because of his contract. Gillis further reduced that value by toying around and being indecisive. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp there. I have no emotional involvement in the decision, so this is all coming from a neutral outsider. Everything comes back to Gillis. He signed him to the contract (which is fine if he remains your number one), he replaced him with a new goaltender, and he failed to trade him because he got greedy with his asking price. This isn't rocket science.

EDIT - Once Gillis signed Luongo's deal, a career commitment existed. Getting out of that commitment at full value was always going to be impossible.
- Michael_Stuart

That seems to be the question of the day?