Here's a great quote from Gillis last summer in the National Post.

“It hasn’t been close for me; I’m the problem,” Gillis said when asked about trading Luongo.

The value of a player is only what others are willing to pay. That's simple business. I'll leave it with that.

You don't know that.

Sorry.

And as for the offers, most seem to think that if (and it's a big if) Toronto made an inquiry, it was dependant on the Canucks eating some salary.

As per above, we will never know.
- Atomic Wedgie

Actually, it has been reported by numerous people in Vancouver, specifically Botchford.

I also noted that the Leafs' apparent offer at the TDL was dependant on the Canucks eating some salary, and for that reason was a complete non starter.

He hasn't turned down anything he could accept because he's been asking for the world. Starting the conversation with Florida with Gudbranson, Huberdeau, etc. wasn't going to get Gillis anywhere. This is mismanagement.
- Michael_Stuart

Wow, where in Tallon's room were you sitting when Gillis' call came in???

This is not a conversation about whether he'll get value. It's a conversation about whether Gillis should be fired for his handling of the Luongo situation. As he hasn't been offered a deal he could accept (due to Luongo's no trade clause) he hasn't turned down anything he could accept. Therefore, it's pretty hard to say he deserves to be fired for being indecisive and greedy.
- KB3Point0

I can tell you I don't want my GM mismanaging assets (Lu), not producing Cups, and not producing good draft hauls. There are 3 reasons why he could be fired.

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- joshFreeman

The official announcement will come when white smoke comes from the roof of Rogers Arena.

Announcing a goaltender as the starter for the next season is not the same as having another tender fill in for a struggling tender (see Vokoun, MAF). I don't understand why this is so hard to understand.

By announcing to everyone in the world they were moving forward with Schneider, it basically made Lu and his contract a must-trade. Teams weren't lining up b/c of his contract, only a select few were even willing to consider it. And the ones that did weren't going to offer much b/c after announcing Cory as the #1 again Lu HAD TO BE TRADED. Leverage is a real thing people and Gillis removed any leverage he had in trade negotiations by effectively removing the other half of his leverage see-saw from the equation. If they didn't announce, he could "field" offers for Cory also. Use that as leverage in the talks with teams for Lu but meanwhile in reality the "talks" for Cory are just for show. Is that really difficult to see?
- uf1910

You're making way too much out of them saying they wanted Schneider to be their starting goalie. As if that was the be all end all of any possible trade with Luongo. Gillis had already called other GMs by that point saying Luongo was available. It's not like everyone was shocked by them saying they wanted Schneider to be the starter. Everyone already knew that was going to be the case. Is that really difficult to see? I don't understand what's so hard about that to understand.

Any reason why he currently doesn't want to be?
- Atomic Wedgie

It's tiring!

Actually, it has been reported by numerous people in Vancouver, specifically Botchford.
I also noted that the Leafs' apparent offer at the TDL was dependant on the Canucks eating some salary, and for that reason was a complete non starter.
- KB3Point0

Soooooo....

Like I said, we will never know what actually happened.

Wow, where in Tallon's room were you sitting when Gillis' call came in???
- KB3Point0

Just google "Luongo Huberdeau Gudbranson Canucks Panthers" and read for yourself. It was common knowledge that Gillis started with those players, and then moved towards Bjugstad. Tallon was still unwilling to bite.

Any reason why he currently doesn't want to be?
- Atomic Wedgie

Because it's the offseason...

The official announcement will come when white smoke comes from the roof of Rogers Arena.
- VanHockeyGuy

Did you know that the Illuminati get their name from having seats right behind Luongo in the 2012 playoffs?

Here's a great quote from Gillis last summer in the National Post.

“It hasn’t been close for me; I’m the problem,” Gillis said when asked about trading Luongo.

The value of a player is only what others are willing to pay. That's simple business. I'll leave it with that.
- Michael_Stuart

And this one he actually said! He's taking the criticism on himself to alleviate any more hitting Luongo. Excellent deflection Michael D. Gillis! That's great GM'ing!

Dale Tallon spoke at length about teams trying to raid the organization of Huberdeau and other star prospects. It's widely known that discussions were ongoing.

http://sports.nationalpos...price-for-roberto-luongo/
- Michael_Stuart

That article actually confirms what I was saying. Tallon says he and Gillis never talked about Gudbranson or Huberdeau. "It's widely known..." Gimme a break.

Any reason why he currently doesn't want to be?
- Atomic Wedgie

AV.

Because it's the offseason...
- Canuckleafer

Well that's just sissy stuff.

You think that Tiger didn't give 100% for the Vancouver Voodoo?

I can tell you I don't want my GM mismanaging assets (Lu), not producing Cups, and not producing good draft hauls. There are 3 reasons why he could be fired.
- uf1910

Yeah, we're talking about one specific reason. Whether he should be fired for the Luongo situation.

Just google "Luongo Huberdeau Gudbranson Canucks Panthers" and read for yourself. It was common knowledge that Gillis started with those players, and then moved towards Bjugstad. Tallon was still unwilling to bite.
- Michael_Stuart

That's just flat out not true.

That article actually confirms what I was saying. Tallon says he and Gillis never talked about Gudbranson or Huberdeau. "It's widely known..." Gimme a break.
- hankthetank

Um. No. That's not what Tallon said. Anyways, I'm out of here for a while. I look forward to the day when Luongo isn't traded for young stars, budding prospects, and high draft picks. Vindication is always so sweet.

Just google "Luongo Huberdeau Gudbranson Canucks Panthers" and read for yourself. It was common knowledge that Gillis started with those players, and then moved towards Bjugstad. Tallon was still unwilling to bite.
- Michael_Stuart

So what did Tallon offer?

AV.
- hankthetank

So should teams looking to give up great assets and first round draft picks be concerned that the best goalie in the world is so mercurial that he purposely plays below his potential due to a childish grudge?

Or would Luongo be willing to sign a waiver stating that he won't do that anymore?

Please get back to me soon on this - I have to know if we still want to offer Gardiner, Kadri and a 1st for Lu.

Um. No. That's not what Tallon said. Anyways, I'm out of here for a while. I look forward to the day when Luongo isn't traded for young stars, budding prospects, and high draft picks. Vindication is always so sweet.
- Michael_Stuart

Actually that IS what Tallon said. If it's such common knowledge that Gillis was starting with Luongo for Gudbranson and Huberdeau then why can't you just post a few links that back this up?

Um. No. That's not what Tallon said. Anyways, I'm out of here for a while. I look forward to the day when Luongo isn't traded for young stars, budding prospects, and high draft picks. Vindication is always so sweet.
- Michael_Stuart

Oh, how we're going to miss your inaccurate comments and baseless assertions.

So what did Tallon offer?
- KB3Point0

I have no idea, but clearly it wasn't enough for Gillis to go for it as he said "I'm the problem." The value of something is determined by what others are willing to pay. Teams weren't willing to pay two second round picks and a back-up goaltender at the deadline. Has his value increased since then?

You're making way too much out of them saying they wanted Schneider to be their starting goalie. As if that was the be all end all of any possible trade with Luongo. Gillis had already called other GMs by that point saying Luongo was available. It's not like everyone was shocked by them saying they wanted Schneider to be the starter. Everyone already knew that was going to be the case. Is that really difficult to see? I don't understand what's so hard about that to understand.
- hankthetank

Sure thing. That's why Lu (who is a very good #1 goaltender) is still a Vancouver Canuck as a backup. You know since every team in the NHL has a legitimate #1 and none of them have goaltender questions.

Meanwhile in reality if he had "fielded" offers for Cory other teams would think it was a legitimate possibility that they keep Lu and trade Cory. That is called leverage and actually may have increased offers for Lu as teams may have been scared by the asking price for Cory and been a little more inspired to solve their tending woes by acquiring the "cheaper" acquisition in Lu. But yeah, announcing Cory as the starter and removing this from reality didn't hurt the chances to trade Lu and get some value in return

So should teams looking to give up great assets and first round draft picks be concerned that the best goalie in the world is so mercurial that he purposely plays below his potential due to a childish grudge?

Or would Luongo be willing to sign a waiver stating that he won't do that anymore?

Please get back to me soon on this - I have to know if we still want to offer Gardiner, Kadri and a 1st for Lu.
- Atomic Wedgie

We all know AV is capable of destroying guys careers. Guys like Kesler and Ballard could be among the best in the league but AV doesn't like them so they don't get used the way they should.
I would still do a Luongo for Gardiner, Kadri and a 1st, although Gardiner took a huge step backwards this last season. Kadri is finally showing signs he can be an every day NHLer though.