From CBC's 30 Thoughts last year...

"There's a bit of a stalemate now, as the Panthers feel Vancouver is asking too much and the Canucks feel Florida is squeezing too hard. One of the issues is prospects. Florida, which has done a great job stocking the system, is understandably unwilling to move Jacob Markstrom, Erik Gudbranson or Jonathan Huberdeau. An educated guess is that Vancouver has inquired about the "next level" of talented youth, like a Nick Bjugstad or Quinton Howden. Don't think Florida likes that, either. So, between that and the fact the Canucks don't want to take bad salary in return, things aren't really moving at this time."

I have no idea, but clearly it wasn't enough for Gillis to go for it as he said "I'm the problem." The value of something is determined by what others are willing to pay. Teams weren't willing to pay two second round picks and a back-up goaltender at the deadline. Has his value increased since then?
- Michael_Stuart

Is this Ek's alt account? How do you know exactly what teams offered and didn't offer? Nice to have a true insider posting in the forums!

sounds like aquilini has made his decision

Is this Ek's alt account? How do you know exactly what teams offered and didn't offer? Nice to have a true insider posting in the forums!
- hankthetank

That was the proposed deadline deal with the Leafs....

Sure thing. That's why Lu (who is a very good #1 goaltender) is still a Vancouver Canuck as a backup. You know since every team in the NHL has a legitimate #1 and none of them have goaltender questions.

Meanwhile in reality if he had "fielded" offers for Cory other teams would think it was a legitimate possibility that they keep Lu and trade Cory. That is called leverage and actually may have increased offers for Lu as teams may have been scared by the asking price for Cory and been a little more inspired to solve their tending woes by acquiring the "cheaper" acquisition in Lu. But yeah, announcing Cory as the starter and removing this from reality didn't hurt the chances to trade Lu and get some value in return
- uf1910

So you're trying to tell me that when they said they want Schneider to be the starter, all other 29 GMs were surprised? Gillis said teams knew Luongo was available already. Everyone knew Schneider was going to be the number 1. The announcement was actually quite pointless to everyone, except you I guess.

That was the proposed deadline deal with the Leafs....
- Michael_Stuart

Just like the proposed deal with Florida was Luongo for Gudbranson, Huberdeau and Howden?

Yeah, we're talking about one specific reason. Whether he should be fired for the Luongo situation.
- KB3Point0

Well when he mismanages assets and the other reasons are also true then there is some legitimacy to the "fire him" claim. The only reason someone is fired for one singular reason is usually crime based (which obviously doesn't apply). This is talking about a GM's ability to manage a team from current players to draft picks (basically the definition of what a GM's job title). There is a lot of evidence that says Gillis has been failing at both of those.

We all know AV is capable of destroying guys careers. Guys like Kesler and Ballard could be among the best in the league but AV doesn't like them so they don't get used the way they should.
I would still do a Luongo for Gardiner, Kadri and a 1st, although Gardiner took a huge step backwards this last season. Kadri is finally showing signs he can be an every day NHLer though.
- hankthetank

Dude, don't show your cards!

You could easily get more for Luongo.

Just like the proposed deal with Florida was Luongo for Gudbranson, Huberdeau and Howden?
- hankthetank

I never said that. I said that those names popped up in discussions, not as a package, but that Florida was unwilling to move.

sounds like aquilini has made his decision
- Phratz

Did he order a hit on Louongo?

sounds like aquilini has made his decision
- Phratz

BLT with sweet potato fries for lunch?

Just like the proposed deal with Florida was Luongo for Gudbranson, Huberdeau and Howden?
- hankthetank

Continue to live in your dream world with Luongo's value, but when the day finally comes that he's dealt for very little, don't say people didn't warn you. I'll feel vindicated.

So, Tippet gone, Ruff gone,

And I read this over on JJ thread:

gary lawless‏@garylawless7m
NHL source tells me John Tortorella has been offered #Canucks job and two sides are close to a deal #nhl #canucks Torts will coach Canucks

Well when he mismanages assets and the other reasons are also true then there is some legitimacy to the "fire him" claim. The only reason someone is fired for one singular reason is usually crime based (which obviously doesn't apply). This is talking about a GM's ability to manage a team from current players to draft picks (basically the definition of what a GM's job title). There is a lot of evidence that says Gillis has been failing at both of those.
- uf1910

Well you could say there are 29 GMs every year that failed.

Edit: at least MG is making money for his owner.

Dude, don't show your cards!

You could easily get more for Luongo.
- Atomic Wedgie

Don't have to tell that to me. I've been saying since last year that Gillis should do a Luongo to Florida for Gudbranson, Bjugstad and the Panthers 1st. Since the Panthers first is a pretty high pick Gillis could throw in the rights to Raymond as well. Panthers gets the best goalie in the world and a proven top 6, probably top 3 on the Panthers, player. Canucks get a couple of projects and a first round pick. Both teams fill needs and I think both teams would end up better on as a result.

This is a ridiculous assertion. Luongo would have waved to go to Florida, but the reports out of here (last summer) were that Gillis was asking way too much for Tallon to bite. That's the definition of greed. This is not a hard thing to figure out.
- Michael_Stuart

You'd think?

sounds like aquilini has made his decision
- Phratz

After this long a search, they hire Torts. F'ng great. "Fire Torts" doesn't have the same ring to it that "Fire Wilson"did in the ACC.

Considering teams are still trying to acquire Schneider, no, it doesn't.
- KB3Point0

ok

So you're trying to tell me that when they said they want Schneider to be the starter, all other 29 GMs were surprised? Gillis said teams knew Luongo was available already. Everyone knew Schneider was going to be the number 1. The announcement was actually quite pointless to everyone, except you I guess.
- hankthetank

Ideally of course everyone knew Vancouver would prefer Schneider as the #1. But as a GM your job is to manage assets for today and for tomorrow. And if you for one second think a team wouldn't believe the Nucks would keep Lu and trade Schneider (if the return for Schneider was good enough) well then I have nothing else to add. That scenario was removed when they announced Cory therefor decreasing leverage in any negotiations he had for Lu. If that makes no sense to you then this conversation is pointless.

Even Wayne Gretzky was traded and if the greatest player to ever see the ice can get traded then it should show every fan that no one is untradeable.

Any reason why he currently doesn't want to be?
- Atomic Wedgie

Ideally of course everyone knew Vancouver would prefer Schneider as the #1. But as a GM your job is to manage assets for today and for tomorrow. And if you for one second think a team wouldn't believe the Nucks would keep Lu and trade Schneider (if the return for Schneider was good enough) well then I have nothing else to add. That scenario was removed when they announced Cory therefor decreasing leverage in any negotiations he had for Lu. If that makes no sense to you then this conversation is pointless.

Even Wayne Gretzky was traded and if the greatest player to ever see the ice can get traded then it should show every fan that no one is untradeable.
- uf1910

Trading Schneider was made impossible when they announced him as a starter? If that's what you think then this conversation is over.

Don't have to tell that to me. I've been saying since last year that Gillis should do a Luongo to Florida for Gudbranson, Bjugstad and the Panthers 1st. Since the Panthers first is a pretty high pick Gillis could throw in the rights to Raymond as well. Panthers gets the best goalie in the world and a proven top 6, probably top 3 on the Panthers, player. Canucks get a couple of projects and a first round pick. Both teams fill needs and I think both teams would end up better on as a result.
- hankthetank

I'm shocked and amazed that Florida isn't taking your advice.

More shocked than amazed, though.

Like, 62% shocked, 38% amazed.

Wait, when you talked to Panthers management, did you accidentally let it slip that Luongo is refusing to play well on purpose?

I have no idea, but clearly it wasn't enough for Gillis to go for it as he said "I'm the problem." The value of something is determined by what others are willing to pay. Teams weren't willing to pay two second round picks and a back-up goaltender at the deadline. Has his value increased since then?
- Michael_Stuart

Thank you. You have finally admitted that you're entire assertion that Gillis should be fired has been based on something you don't actually know.

Well, actually yes, there are now more teams in need of an upgrade in net than there were at the deadline.

I'm shocked and amazed that Florida isn't taking your advice.

More shocked than amazed, though.

Like, 62% shocked, 38% amazed.

Wait, when you talked to Panthers management, did you accidentally let it slip that Luongo is refusing to play well on purpose?
- Atomic Wedgie

62 and 38 adds up to 120! Learn math.

Unlike SOME people here I don't pretend that I know what teams management is thinking. But from a strictly hockey deal level, that trade makes a ton of sense for both sides. Helps Florida immediately and helps the Canucks down the road.

Thank you. You have finally admitted that you're entire assertion that Gillis should be fired has been based on something you don't actually know.

Well, actually yes, there are now more teams in need of an upgrade in net than there were at the deadline.
- KB3Point0

My assertion that Gillis shold be fired is based upon all the Canucks fans demanding it.







To be honest, I don't really have a dog in that fight.