From CBC's 30 Thoughts last year...

"There's a bit of a stalemate now, as the Panthers feel Vancouver is asking too much and the Canucks feel Florida is squeezing too hard. One of the issues is prospects. Florida, which has done a great job stocking the system, is understandably unwilling to move Jacob Markstrom, Erik Gudbranson or Jonathan Huberdeau. An educated guess is that Vancouver has inquired about the "next level" of talented youth, like a Nick Bjugstad or Quinton Howden. Don't think Florida likes that, either. So, between that and the fact the Canucks don't want to take bad salary in return, things aren't really moving at this time."
- Michael_Stuart

Taking bad salary back in return is worse option than buying him out. I've already stated this numerous times. So, Tallon is unwilling to trade for Luongo unless Gillis takes one of his bad contracts back in return. What is your point here?

62 and 38 adds up to 120! Learn math.

Unlike SOME people here I don't pretend that I know what teams management is thinking. But from a strictly hockey deal level, that trade makes a ton of sense for both sides. Helps Florida immediately and helps the Canucks down the road.
- hankthetank

Numbers may add up to more than 100 due to rounding.

My assertion that Gillis shold be fired is based upon all the Canucks fans demanding it.







To be honest, I don't really have a dog in that fight.
- Atomic Wedgie

You have a dog in your avatar though!
No but all jokes aside, it's cool to have a pic of your GF in your avatar.

Well you could say there are 29 GMs every year that failed.

Edit: at least MG is making money for his owner.
- A_SteamingLombardi

...At one aspect of their job. Mismanaging assets? Bad drafting? Not all 29 GM's are guilty of that however Gillis has all 3 checked in his list of "accomplishments"

And your owner is going to be making less if/when Lu is bought out...just sayin

Well when he mismanages assets and the other reasons are also true then there is some legitimacy to the "fire him" claim. The only reason someone is fired for one singular reason is usually crime based (which obviously doesn't apply). This is talking about a GM's ability to manage a team from current players to draft picks (basically the definition of what a GM's job title). There is a lot of evidence that says Gillis has been failing at both of those.
- uf1910

A claim was made earlier that Gillis should be fired for the way he's handled the Luongo situation. I said he should not. The only evidence that has been provided to the contrary is either inaccurate or admittedly guesswork. Although I appreciate you basically agreeing with me!

Numbers may add up to more than 100 due to rounding.
- Atomic Wedgie

Sorry, I know it was nitpicking by me, but I'm a numbers guy.

Taking bad salary back in return is worse option than buying him out. I've already stated this numerous times. So, Tallon is unwilling to trade for Luongo unless Gillis takes one of his bad contracts back in return. What is your point here?
- KB3Point0

Serious question: would ownership be willing to throw away all that money to buy out Lu?

I'm not asking if they will - just asking if you think that the actual $ would be a factor in their decision.

(and as I've stated a million times, I think it's a moot point - waivers - but you get the idea)

Continue to live in your dream world with Luongo's value, but when the day finally comes that he's dealt for very little, don't say people didn't warn you. I'll feel vindicated.
- Michael_Stuart

You're all over the place here!

Sorry, I know it was nitpicking by me, but I'm a numbers guy.
- hankthetank

And I respect that.

Every time I come into Wendy's and order a #4 value combo, I know you are going to get the order right.

So you're trying to tell me that when they said they want Schneider to be the starter, all other 29 GMs were surprised? Gillis said teams knew Luongo was available already. Everyone knew Schneider was going to be the number 1. The announcement was actually quite pointless to everyone, except you I guess.
- hankthetank

Include me in the "except column" too. If you don't think that affected his value with his contract and the FACT that he was annointed the #1 tender since he came to Vancouver I think you're either joking or you need to rethink it. It put Gillis in a more desperate position to move luongo. I think you would be the only one alive to think that was "pointless" whether other GM's were aware or not of his availability. It put Gillis in a desperate position, desperate to rid the Canucks of the problem he publicly created.

Trading Schneider was made impossible when they announced him as a starter? If that's what you think then this conversation is over.
- hankthetank

If you think it helped in any trade negotiations for EITHER of the 2 tenders then this conversation is over. Seriously, no one has presented anything to say how or why it helped. Yet the evidence of the Nucks currently having both goaltenders on their roster says it didn't help.

Well you could say there are 29 GMs every year that failed.

Edit: at least MG is making money for his owner.
- A_SteamingLombardi

and so it begins. Deflect and backpeddle

My assertion that Gillis shold be fired is based upon all the Canucks fans demanding it.







To be honest, I don't really have a dog in that fight.
- Atomic Wedgie

All Canucks fans aren't demanding it, but many who do are basing it on zero facts and are using it simply as their emotional response to the frustration of the last few seasons. They also base it on assumptions and things they don't know but presume to be correct.

Include me in the "except column" too. If you don't think that affected his value with his contract and the FACT that he was annointed the #1 tender since he came to Vancouver I think you're either joking or you need to rethink it. It put Gillis in a more desperate position to move luongo. I think you would be the only one alive to think that was "pointless" whether other GM's were aware or not of his availability. It put Gillis in a desperate position, desperate to rid the Canucks of the problem he publicly created.
- Cptmjl

I'm going to have to side with the Canuckleheads here - it was obvious to everyone following the 'nucks that Schnieder wasn't going to re-sign unless he got assurances that he was going to be appointed the #1 (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his agent publicly stated that before negotiations began. Yes? No?).

The minute the new contract was signed, the writing was on the wall.

And I respect that.

Every time I come into Wendy's and order a #4 value combo, I know you are going to get the order right.
- Atomic Wedgie

We're actually phasing out the number system for value meals. Was too confusing for senior's. Look for more major shake ups in the future.

Serious question: would ownership be willing to throw away all that money to buy out Lu?

I'm not asking if they will - just asking if you think that the actual $ would be a factor in their decision.

(and as I've stated a million times, I think it's a moot point - waivers - but you get the idea)
- Atomic Wedgie

No, I do not. I think he'll be traded with not much coming back (draft picks, perhaps a 3rd line center, no top talent). Not quite waivers, but if they find a team that wants him they'd prefer to trade a little than risk not getting him on waivers.

Thank you. You have finally admitted that you're entire assertion that Gillis should be fired has been based on something you don't actually know.

Well, actually yes, there are now more teams in need of an upgrade in net than there were at the deadline.
- KB3Point0

and quite a few goalies available to just sign. Luongo will be among them when he gets brought out.

I'm going to have to side with the Canuckleheads here - it was obvious to everyone following the 'nucks that Schnieder wasn't going to re-sign unless he got assurances that he was going to be appointed the #1 (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his agent publicly stated that before negotiations began. Yes? No?).

The minute the new contract was signed, the writing was on the wall.
- Atomic Wedgie

Absolutely - Which is why MG should have moved Lou in that offseason. Waiting for offers to improve was a massive mistake

A claim was made earlier that Gillis should be fired for the way he's handled the Luongo situation. I said he should not. The only evidence that has been provided to the contrary is either inaccurate or admittedly guesswork. Although I appreciate you basically agreeing with me!
- KB3Point0

What guesswork is there that the Nucks farm system is not good? Check for that

What guesswork is there that he mismanaged assets? You currently have 2 legitimate #1 goaltenders on your roster and no salary room to improve the team. Check for that

What guesswork for no cups? Check for that

I think Gillis will be fired but not singularly for the Lu situation. It may not be this year but it is coming. That's just my opinion and I'm not guessing with any of my reason as explained above

and quite a few goalies available to just sign. Luongo will be among them when he gets brought out.
- Cptmjl

Too many teams need to upgrade their goaltending. Someone will acquire him.

I'm going to have to side with the Canuckleheads here - it was obvious to everyone following the 'nucks that Schnieder wasn't going to re-sign unless he got assurances that he was going to be appointed the #1 (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his agent publicly stated that before negotiations began. Yes? No?).

The minute the new contract was signed, the writing was on the wall.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yup. I can confirm this. Schneider DID infact re-sign with the Canucks.
It's not too complicated to understand but you know how Isles fans can get! Ahhh Islander fans. God bless 'em.

62 and 38 adds up to 120! Learn math.

Unlike SOME people here I don't pretend that I know what teams management is thinking. But from a strictly hockey deal level, that trade makes a ton of sense for both sides. Helps Florida immediately and helps the Canucks down the road.
- hankthetank

I think it's a bit one sided in Florida's favor? They should sweeten the pot with this years first. Luongo is known for his playoff performance, goaltenders like that don't grow on trees.

What guesswork is there that the Nucks farm system is not good? Check for that

What guesswork is there that he mismanaged assets? You currently have 2 legitimate #1 goaltenders on your roster and no salary room to improve the team. Check for that

What guesswork for no cups? Check for that

I think Gillis will be fired but not singularly for the Lu situation. It may not be this year but it is coming. That's just my opinion and I'm not guessing with any of my reason as explained above
- uf1910

When? After they let him hire a coach, make moves at the draft, conduct the draft, and sign all their free agents??? Check for that!

My assertion that Gillis shold be fired is based upon all the Canucks fans demanding it.







To be honest, I don't really have a dog in that fight.
- Atomic Wedgie

but you do have one as an avatar

What guesswork is there that the Nucks farm system is not good? Check for that

What guesswork is there that he mismanaged assets? You currently have 2 legitimate #1 goaltenders on your roster and no salary room to improve the team. Check for that

What guesswork for no cups? Check for that

I think Gillis will be fired but not singularly for the Lu situation. It may not be this year but it is coming. That's just my opinion and I'm not guessing with any of my reason as explained above
- uf1910

You think Gillis will be fired at some point? What a bold prediction. But I can't agree. I think he's a lifer. He's got the job as GM until he dies.