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HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 4:17 PM ET
Yet no one worries about 9 years at 6 million for Zetterberg
- IanEsplen


You didnt think this retort through...
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:17 PM ET
On behalf of Isles fans, we don't want Luongo. We want no part of him. Not for 2 second rounders, certainly not for Nino. The Isles already have one mistake goaltending contract on the books with RDP. The Isles don't need a second one.

There is absolutely no scenario whereby it makes sense for the Islanders to trade for Luongo. Even a straight swap of RDP for Luongo with nothing else changing hands is a bad decision for the Isles.

- Jethro09


Then you know nothing about hockey. Go watch basketball.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:18 PM ET
Yet no one worries about 9 years at 6 million for Zetterberg
- IanEsplen

Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:18 PM ET
"Nope" to what??? I do enjoy it when fans of teams with zero goalies better than either of our goalies laugh at us!
- KB3Point0


.923 .931

.927 .922

The number to the left is regular season career save percentage, while the other represents playoff save percentage. The top belongs to one, Braden Holtby. The bottom belongs to Schneider.

Just for fun, I'll throw in Roberto's;

.919 .916
djamon
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 05.27.2013

Jun 20 @ 4:19 PM ET
Check your facts, bruh.
- DrChristianTroy


Yeah looks like I was wrong on that, although I know I read it somewhere.
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Jun 20 @ 4:21 PM ET
Yet no one worries about 9 years at 6 million for Zetterberg
- IanEsplen


Zetterberg at worst is an elite DEPTH player at $6 million. A goaltender is either playing or being a salary cap cock block. Such a huge difference between the two situations.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:22 PM ET
Yet no one worries about 9 years at 6 million for Zetterberg
- IanEsplen

Reason is he isn't a Goalie. They are a different breed of hockey player. So much relies on them. Zetterberg can go on a cold streak for a few games and the team can still win because others on the team will step up. Goalies go on a cold streak and team goes down in a hurry.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 4:23 PM ET
On behalf of Isles fans, we don't want Luongo. We want no part of him. Not for 2 second rounders, certainly not for Nino. The Isles already have one mistake goaltending contract on the books with RDP. The Isles don't need a second one.

There is absolutely no scenario whereby it makes sense for the Islanders to trade for Luongo. Even a straight swap of RDP for Luongo with nothing else changing hands is a bad decision for the Isles.

- Jethro09


Dude...

We can bag on ian and talk about lu's value, but this is ridiculous.

If u as a gm didnt take that trade, you'd deserved to be fired on the spot
djamon
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 05.27.2013

Jun 20 @ 4:23 PM ET
Is Detroit in a panick to trade their captain?



You seriously think that's a good point to make?

- robin_steele264


It's a valid point. No one is going to get bit harder with this rule than Detroit. They have 3 contracts on their books which will be subject to the penalty.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:25 PM ET
Lou has a no trade. Why would he waive it? He can force a buyout.
- Iggysbff


No. He could force the team to trade another asset (Booth for example) and keep him as an expensive backup. That's a complete lose - lose situation.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:25 PM ET
Reason is he isn't a Goalie. They are a different breed of hockey player. So much relies on them. Zetterberg can go on a cold streak for a few games and the team can still win because others on the team will step up. Goalies go on a cold streak and team goes down in a hurry.
- thundachunk


Isn't that why backups are used?
Gooderbebad
Joined: 06.20.2013

Jun 20 @ 4:25 PM ET
"Crap now the Sabres want to move their over-priced netminder, who's never done anything and is appending UFA after next year. We've got to move now. GO, GO, GO!"

- Are you talking about Vezina Trophy winner Ryan Milller?
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 20 @ 4:26 PM ET
It's a valid point. No one is going to get bit harder with this rule than Detroit. They have 3 contracts on their books which will be subject to the penalty.
- djamon




None of the guys in those contracts get paid to sit on the bench like Lou


gzatron
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.27.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:26 PM ET
Zetterberg at worst is an elite DEPTH player at $6 million. A goaltender is either playing or being a salary cap cock block. Such a huge difference between the two situations.
- DrChristianTroy

HUGE
fsanford
Joined: 10.28.2009

Jun 20 @ 4:26 PM ET
Ian Esplen: What to do about Lu?
What to do about Lu?

- IanEsplen


I dunno,

Quick is maybe 6'
Howard 6'
Lundquist 6'

Some pretty good smaller goalies there..IMHO



At least with Bernier you can negotiate a reasonable deal. There is a reason good number teams are interested in him. Not only the talent part but also a nice cap hit and term that could be set up.

Sure there is risk Bernier maybe he fails, Kings D system is pretty good, but Bernier also is a talented kid. Seems there is just as much if not more risk on a guy who lost his starting job, and is owed a brinks car worth of $$ for many years to come.

Think the list of GM's who want to sign up for that cap hit, especially given the drop to $64 million overall , is a short one. But maybe not.
gzatron
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.27.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
Isn't that why backups are used?
- bloatedmosquito

name a 6 million dollar back up - besides yours of course
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
When a skater shows that age is catching up to them they adapt by being different type of contributors and can play later in there careers. Goalies show there age and its usually the end of their career.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
It's a valid point. No one is going to get bit harder with this rule than Detroit. They have 3 contracts on their books which will be subject to the penalty.
- djamon

they arent trying to trade zetterberg. There's no circus of him competing with another guy. He doesnt sit out entire games in favour of the other guy.etc etc. etc

These arent even relative scenarios,
Lets just drop the zetterberg subject.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:28 PM ET
Isn't that why backups are used?
- bloatedmosquito

Of course.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:28 PM ET
name a 6 million dollar back up - besides yours of course
- gzatron

MAF is close.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:28 PM ET
Yet no one worries about 9 years at 6 million for Zetterberg
- IanEsplen


Or Keith, or Hossa, or Franzen, or Backstrom, or J Staal, or Ehrhoff, or...
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:29 PM ET
Lou has a no trade. Why would he waive it? He can force a buyout.
- Iggysbff



Also true, and I'm sure that he's well aware of the situation and the fact that he can potentially force a buyout or force Schneider to be traded instead.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:30 PM ET
Or Keith, or Hossa, or Franzen, or Backstrom, or J Staal, or Ehrhoff, or...
- KB3Point0

Backstrom and J. Staal's deals are not subjected to the rule. I don't think Keith is either.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:30 PM ET
.923 .931

.927 .922

The number to the left is regular season career save percentage, while the other represents playoff save percentage. The top belongs to one, Braden Holtby. The bottom belongs to Schneider.

Just for fun, I'll throw in Roberto's;

.919 .916

- Blackstrom2


I know all about Holtby. I also know he is not better than either Schneider or Luongo at the moment.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:30 PM ET
HUGE
- gzatron


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