I had to laugh reading the Ek thread about Bernier. Most in there seemed pretty sure he would fetch Couturier and a second.
- docmorgan

Guaranteed Bernier fetches more than Lu, and there are numerous trades of young goaltenders to back that up. As for Couturier I doubt he goes but Holmgren has been known to make some big moves so maybe he does if more than Bernier comes back.

Lu on the other hand honestly will probably fetch nothing except years of free $ from the Nucks and a job elsewhere. Noone is trading for that contract, and if they were they would have already. Leafs aren't sending Gardner, Cats aren't sending Bjustad or anyone else. It's a bad contract on a team that has ALREADY ANNOUNCED they are moving forward with a different starter. If you want to play the blame game you can blame none other than Gillis for that. You don't announce that your highly paid long-term goalie is now your backup and expect to get a good return. Gillis did and look where that got him. Closer to getting his walking papers and still having your backup goaltender albatrossing your salary cap from the bench. Sorry folks, Gillis franked up this situation and there is no magic un-franking potion to save him or save this situation.

EDIT: Gillis should have taken whatever Burke was willing to offer. That was his way out but he hardballed and thus we sit here still writing about this

Wrong again, check out the Wild.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Ooooo...I forgot about them. They're hosed.

Don't need it to be a long list. Just need one.
- KB3Point0

There in lies the problem, he also has an NTC, so there has to be a team that he is willing to go to in addition to a team willing to fork over the cash.


Sure seems more like a buyout candidate than a trade candidate, doesn't it?

I'm not talking about the same thing as you.

Luongo wanting to be traded is just a variable, it doesn't make his contract situation any better or worse than those guys on Detroit.
- djamon

That's what i meant about off topic.

Why even bring up comparable contracts to his? What bearing does it have on lu's value or the thread topic?

Then you know nothing about hockey. Go watch basketball.
- bloatedmosquito

What a constructive response. Very well thought out too. Lots of argument to support it...

The luongo trade is Ian's hit machine.
Even the title invites hits, implying vancouver has alot of options..

He's not gonna get much in return cause his contract sucks.

Thread over.

New blog please
- hugefemale dog77

Blog?

I just need to post his picture and I get 200 easy.

They don't back-dive.
- djamon

Keith does, the other two don't.

Hey Ian do unicorns, pots of gold at the end of rainbows exists in your fantasy world?
- KingDoughnuts

No to Unicorns, yes to pots of gold at the end of a blog...I mean rainbow

But none are asking to be traded. And det/chi/buf are happy to keep them.

Again, nothing in common with the luongo situation.

U might be keeping up, but you're wildly off topic.
- hugefemale dog77

Nope.

I'm not talking about the same thing as you.

Luongo wanting to be traded is just a variable, it doesn't make his contract situation any better or worse than those guys on Detroit.
- djamon

I can't crap on Gillis for lack of experience, Snow was a hilarious hire. The difference is that he's actually got a plan and seems to be working toward it. He's like a mad genuis. Gillis is just angry.
- Isles_since_6

Yah Gillis' plan was clearly worse.

Two Prez's would argue that.

I believe that even in his short stint here, he had a positive influence and helped transform Kesler from a 3rd liner to a top 6 player.....
- chompsey

Helped the Sedins as well. Just think how good he could have been if he'd actually prepared for the season!

There in lies the problem, he also has an NTC, so there has to be a team that he is willing to go to in addition to a team willing to fork over the cash.


Sure seems more like a buyout candidate than a trade candidate, doesn't it?
- fsanford

At this point I'm sure he'll accept a trade to anywhere he can be a starter. He has no interest in remaining in Vancouver as a backup.

Keith does, the other two don't.
- KB3Point0

Any player who has a contract with more than 7 years remaining as of right now can just be bought out at the next cba ...

That's what i meant about off topic.

Why even bring up comparable contracts to his? What bearing does it have on lu's value or the thread topic?
- hugefemale dog77

Any player who has a contract with more than 7 years remaining as of right now can just be bought out at the next cba ...
- Redmile247

Well that sure does wonders for Luongo's contract! Hell, if there's another lockout those last couple years might just get wiped right off the books!

Blog?

I just need to post his picture and I get 200 easy.
- IanEsplen

At least you're honest

Yah Gillis' plan was clearly worse.

Two Prez's would argue that.
- IanEsplen

let's take a good long look at what was on the Canucks roster when Gillis took over and what was on the Isles.

and actually, if we want to examine this further, let's look at the number of bad contracts on each team at the moment and how they were acquired. Further, let's also examine the amount of available cap space for each team, along with the number and quality of prospects for each. Now let's look at where each team is trending.

comments?

Guaranteed Bernier fetches more than Lu, and there are numerous trades of young goaltenders to back that up. As for Couturier I doubt he goes but Holmgren has been known to make some big moves so maybe he does if more than Bernier comes back.

Lu on the other hand honestly will probably fetch nothing except years of free $ from the Nucks and a job elsewhere. Noone is trading for that contract, and if they were they would have already. Leafs aren't sending Gardner, Cats aren't sending Bjustad or anyone else. It's a bad contract on a team that has ALREADY ANNOUNCED they are moving forward with a different starter. If you want to play the blame game you can blame none other than Gillis for that. You don't announce that your highly paid long-term goalie is now your backup and expect to get a good return. Gillis did and look where that got him. Closer to getting his walking papers and still having your backup goaltender albatrossing your salary cap from the bench. Sorry folks, Gillis franked up this situation and there is no magic un-franking potion to save him or save this situation.

EDIT: Gillis should have taken whatever Burke was willing to offer. That was his way out but he hardballed and thus we sit here still writing about this
- uf1910

so you're the lightnings GM

Bernier for a 2014 1st and Connolly

or

Lu for a 3rd and a 2nd in 2014

which trade do you make?

Personally I'll take my shot with the big fella

- KB3Point0

U keep posting emoticons. Say something constructive. You arent proving or disproving any point with emoticons.

What does henrik zetterberg have to do with luongos trade value?
What does duncan keith's contract have to do with vancouvers inability to move luongo after a full year of trying?

That's what i meant about off topic.

Why even bring up comparable contracts to his? What bearing does it have on lu's value or the thread topic?
- hugefemale dog77

It was on topic. You jumped into a different conversation related to the contract itself, not his tradeability.

so you're the lightnings GM

Bernier for a 2014 1st and Connolly

or

Lu for a 3rd and a 2nd in 2014

which trade do you make?

Personally I'll take my shot with the big fella
- IanEsplen

Neither, Yzerman already made his trades for Lindback and Bishop.

As for the bold with regards to Lu it is all about contract. I don't blame Gillis for giving it, that's ridiculous Monday morning QB crap. Schneider played his way to the #1, can't blame Gillis for that. However, Gillis franked up big time by announcing Schneider as the starter. That absolutely killed any value Lu had in spite of his contract. Burke was his guinea pig to take Lu, Gillis played hardball and it backfired. Now I see no recourse except a buyout.

Ian Esplen: What to do about Lu?
What to do about Lu?
- IanEsplen

quick question - is the a re-post of an article you wrote about 12 months ago?

so you're the lightnings GM

Bernier for a 2014 1st and Connolly

or

Lu for a 3rd and a 2nd in 2014

which trade do you make?

Personally I'll take my shot with the big fella
- IanEsplen

um, neither. I go with Bishop and Lindback?

It was on topic. You jumped into a different conversation related to the contract itself, not his tradeability.
- djamon

This is incorrect. Go back.

Ian retorted to my intial post about why lu was so untradeable. (Which is his contract) And in fact, YOU jumped into that conversation and took it elsewhere.

Henrik zetterbergs contract never had anything to do with my post. Nor does it the thread topic. Which is 'what to do with lu'?