Who is kidding whom? Gillis is in a corner and everyone knows it. The only way the Canucks unload Luongo is through a buyout.
- cragar77

based on comments here, it would seem the Canuck faithful still believe that Gillis will somehow get a king's ransom for Lu.

interesting.

I thought Gillis tried that avenue already... it didn't seem to pan out all to well.

quick question - is the a re-post of an article you wrote about 12 minutes ago?
- BorjeFan4Ever

fixed.

based on comments here, it would seem the Canuck faithful still believe that Gillis will somehow get a king's ransom for Lu.

interesting.

I thought Gillis tried that avenue already... it didn't seem to pan out all to well.
- BorjeFan4Ever

not all of them. Just a few. A good chunk have seen the light and just want to buy him out and be done with it.

um, neither. I go with Bishop and Lindback?
- Isles_since_6

Doesn't have trade value IMO.
- Nucker101

Negative trade value is still trade value

Negative trade value is still trade value
- the_dough_boy

/winning


LOL

Well that sure does wonders for Luongo's contract! Hell, if there's another lockout those last couple years might just get wiped right off the books!
- KB3Point0

It's very likely

Islander fans crack me up.

This is incorrect. Go back.

Ian retorted to my intial post about why lu was so untradeable. Which is his contract. And in fact, YOU jumped into that conversation and took it elsewhere.

Henrik zetterbergs contract never had anything to do with my post. Nor does it the thread topic. Which is 'what to do with lu'?
- hugefemale dog77

If this is what you think then you may have misinterpreted Ian's response. He was comparing the relative values of several goalies and Luongo's contract was brought up as a reason why he might be valued lower.

I believe Ian's point was directed about good/bad contracts...not just trade value. Just because it wasn't in YOUR post doesn't mean it wasn't in his.

W/E.

Luongo, Ballard and the rights to Raymond to Florida for
Gudbranson, Bjugstad and Florida's 1st

Win/win trade for both clubs.

let's take a good long look at what was on the Canucks roster when Gillis took over and what was on the Isles.

and actually, if we want to examine this further, let's look at the number of bad contracts on each team at the moment and how they were acquired. Further, let's also examine the amount of available cap space for each team, along with the number and quality of prospects for each. Now let's look at where each team is trending.

comments?
- Isles_since_6

Why don't we just look at the standings?

This is incorrect. Go back.

Ian retorted to my intial post about why lu was so untradeable. Which is his contract. And in fact, YOU jumped into that conversation and took it elsewhere.

Henrik zetterbergs contract never had anything to do with my post. Nor does it the thread topic. Which is 'what to do with lu'?
- hugefemale dog77

How about I interject into this great debate(s). I'm skilled enough to discuss two topics at once.

1. There are 15 back-diving steaming pile of poop contracts in the NHL. They all suck and will (subject to the good idea somebody mentioned above about the "chance" of more compliance buyouts at the beginning of the new CBA) become anchors to some team one day.

2. Lou's is one of those contracts and given that the situation is current his back-diving steaming pile of poop contract is extra steamy.

If this is what you think then you may have misinterpreted Ian's response. He was comparing the relative values of several goalies and Luongo's contract was brought up as a reason why he might be valued lower.

I believe Ian's point was directed about good/bad contracts...not just trade value. Just because it wasn't in YOUR post doesn't mean it wasn't in his.

W/E.
- djamon

rofl

Neither, Yzerman already made his trades for Lindback and Bishop.

As for the bold with regards to Lu it is all about contract. I don't blame Gillis for giving it, that's ridiculous Monday morning QB crap. Schneider played his way to the #1, can't blame Gillis for that. However, Gillis franked up big time by announcing Schneider as the starter. That absolutely killed any value Lu had in spite of his contract. Burke was his guinea pig to take Lu, Gillis played hardball and it backfired. Now I see no recourse except a buyout.
- uf1910

How long before Yzerman loses his job? He should have traded for Luongo last year.

Why don't we just look at the standings?
- KB3Point0

games played in the playoffs?

I would take Bjugstad for Luongo and run. Even if he doesn't pan out, that's a great trade.
- Nucker101

Tallon is going to give you one of his top prospects for a cap albatross?

Really doubtful. Maybe a 2nd and/or a Matthias... Maybe even a Kopecky alone.

Gillis has acted with his peer GMs like he is still an agent. He has belittled some publicly. The league won't forget that and he is already in a weak position.

He will have to find a sucker or buy out Lu.

Miller, Bernier, and Smith are much more attractive options NOT because of their play but because of their $ cost. Miller is a year or 2 away from being UFA. Bernier will be a $3m range hit and Smith around that. That is the world of the hard cap. Gillis's last chance was at the trade deadline last year. His ego blew it.

Trade Schneider and edler for picks and young players keep Lou and Ballard. It's the best option for stocking the cupboards.
- coryberg2

Exactly. Makes too much sense not to do it. That package could land us a top 3 pick, imo. Edler and Schneider would make the Avs at least listen

This is incorrect. Go back.

Ian retorted to my intial post about why lu was so untradeable. (Which is his contract) And in fact, YOU jumped into that conversation and took it elsewhere.

Henrik zetterbergs contract never had anything to do with my post. Nor does it the thread topic. Which is 'what to do with lu'?
- hugefemale dog77

It's on the topic of discussing the value of players with long term contracts.

based on comments here, it would seem the Canuck faithful still believe that Gillis will somehow get a king's ransom for Lu.

interesting.

I thought Gillis tried that avenue already... it didn't seem to pan out all to well.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Show one comment that states Gillis will get anything of value for Luongo. We just feel he's good enough that we will be able to trade him for something (a couple draft picks perhaps) rather than buying him out.

Luongo, Ballard and the rights to Raymond to Florida for
Gudbranson, Bjugstad and Florida's 1st

Win/win trade for both clubs.
- hankthetank

That is a joke, right?

Win, win? 2 players with terrible contracts for 2 TOP, TOP prospects.

games played in the playoffs?
- Isles_since_6

Sure. How many games have the Canucks played in the playoffs under Gillis? Now, how many games have the Islanders played in the playoffs under Snow?

Show one comment that states Gillis will get anything of value for Luongo. We just feel he's good enough that we will be able to trade him for something (a couple draft picks perhaps) rather than buying him out.
- KB3Point0

Question for Vancity fans.

Does anybody believe that Lou is going to show up for those last 3 or 4 years and collect his 1 milly per year?

If the answer is "no, he'll retire" (and it should be) than shouldn't Nuck fans want the team to buy him out to avoid the Cap Recapture Penalty?

If this is what you think then you may have misinterpreted Ian's response. He was comparing the relative values of several goalies and Luongo's contract was brought up as a reason why he might be valued lower.

I believe Ian's point was directed about good/bad contracts...not just trade value. Just because it wasn't in YOUR post doesn't mean it wasn't in his.

W/E.
- djamon

His thread topic was luongos value in relation to other goalies. And my retort explained that he left out the most important factor of luongos percepted value. This is when the subject got changed to something else entirely.

Their was no misinterpretation. Just because he chose to ignore the most important facts of the thread topic and the realities of the situation doesnt mean i had to as well. In fact, he did the blog a disservice by choosing to ignore the inly thing that really matters in terms of his compared value.

The title is 'what to do with lu?'. Not 'who's contracts are comparable to lu's?'
The implications if the title are fairly evident imo.

Question for Vancity fans.

Does anybody believe that Lou is going to show up for those last 3 or 4 years and collect his 1 milly per year?

If the answer is "no, he'll retire" (and it should be) than shouldn't Nuck fans want the team to buy him out to avoid the Cap Recapture Penalty?
- The Law

Been saying this for months. They're slowly figuring it out.

Tallon is going to give you one of his top prospects for a cap albatross?

Really doubtful. Maybe a 2nd and/or a Matthias... Maybe even a Kopecky alone.

Gillis has acted with his peer GMs like he is still an agent. He has belittled some publicly. The league won't forget that and he is already in a weak position.

He will have to find a sucker or buy out Lu.

Miller, Bernier, and Smith are much more attractive options NOT because of their play but because of their $ cost. Miller is a year or 2 away from being UFA. Bernier will be a $3m range hit and Smith around that. That is the world of the hard cap. Gillis's last chance was at the trade deadline last year. His ego blew it.
- tredbrta

When did Gillis publicly belittle another GM?

If you think Smith's going to be a $3M cap hit you just proved what your opinion is worth. Absolutely clueless. Miller is a UFA in one year.

Gillis' last chance was absolutely not at the trade deadline. That was when the fans wanted him traded. The market for a goalie is much higher now than it was then.