Been saying this for months. They're slowly figuring it out.
- DrChristianTroy

Everybody wants those mid round picks.

Tallon is going to give you one of his top prospects for a cap albatross?

Really doubtful. Maybe a 2nd and/or a Matthias... Maybe even a Kopecky alone.

Gillis has acted with his peer GMs like he is still an agent. He has belittled some publicly. The league won't forget that and he is already in a weak position.

He will have to find a sucker or buy out Lu.

Miller, Bernier, and Smith are much more attractive options NOT because of their play but because of their $ cost. Miller is a year or 2 away from being UFA. Bernier will be a $3m range hit and Smith around that. That is the world of the hard cap. Gillis's last chance was at the trade deadline last year. His ego blew it.
- tredbrta

Canucks fans would be very happy to take Matthias and a 2nd for Luongo. Maybe even just Matthias!

Canucks fans would be very happy to take Matthias and a 2nd for Luongo. Maybe even just Matthias!
- KB3Point0

Speak for yourself.

Canucks fans would be very happy to take Matthias and a 2nd for Luongo. Maybe even just Matthias!
- KB3Point0

The smart ones. The majority are looking for the entire prospect chain of Florida for him. Gillis is probably closer to the latter than the former plus there is still that contract. Only way it happens is if FL ownership thinks Lu will sell seats. They tried that with Jovanovski and blew it. Will they try again at a much higher cost?

That is a joke, right?

Win, win? 2 players with terrible contracts for 2 TOP, TOP prospects.
- tredbrta

Florida finally gets a number 1 goalie in Luongo, a solid veteran blue liner in Ballard and can sign Raymond. Really fills a lot of needs for Florida.
Canucks get a good defensive prospect in Gudbranson. Bjugstad is a project but could be a good 3rd or 4th liner. And Florida's first round pick could possibly turn into a good player but it's not a guarantee. Both teams benefit and fill their needs and it's fair.

Speak for yourself.
- DrChristianTroy

I would be willing to bet that the majority of Canucks fans would be happy with that deal.

Luongo, Ballard and the rights to Raymond to Florida for
Gudbranson, Bjugstad and Florida's 1st

Win/win trade for both clubs.
- hankthetank

As in the second overall along with gudbranson and bjugstad??

Interesting. Anything else the panthers should throw in?

I have said it before but if I am Lu. I force the nucks to buy him out by refusing any deal because he has the ultimate power of the NTC. This way he can get double paid.

What is the buyout price? (2/3 or 3/4). There is no downside for LU in terms of getting bought out. It actually is all upside. He will get the buyout cash as well as a new contract for about 4 years for 4 mill.

Florida finally gets a number 1 goalie in Luongo, a solid veteran blue liner in Ballard and can sign Raymond. Really fills a lot of needs for Florida.
Canucks get a good defensive prospect in Gudbranson. Bjugstad is a project but could be a good 3rd or 4th liner. And Florida's first round pick could possibly turn into a good player but it's not a guarantee. Both teams benefit and fill their needs and it's fair.
- hankthetank

Florida wouldn't do Ballard, Raymond and Lu for Gudbranson on his own. Lu is going to be too old by the time the rest of the team grows up

I would be willing to bet that the majority of Canucks fans would be happy with that deal.
- KB3Point0

Majority yes, because the majority of people are unintelligent mouthbreathing slaves. Anyone who understands what's at stake business wise would buy Luongo out without giving it a second thought.

The smart ones. The majority are looking for the entire prospect chain of Florida for him. Gillis is probably closer to the latter than the former plus there is still that contract. Only way it happens is if FL ownership thinks Lu will sell seats. They tried that with Jovanovski and blew it. Will they try again at a much higher cost?
- tredbrta

No one over the age of 6 thinks that, even in Vancouver. Most think he'll have to be bought out because they won't be able to trade him. Many think the'll have to eat some of his salary. Realists think they'll be able to trade him and if we can fill our glaring hole at 3rd line center in the process we'll be happy.

Majority yes, because the majority of people are unintelligent mouthbreathing slaves. Anyone who understands what's at stake business wise would buy Luongo out without giving it a second thought.
- DrChristianTroy

At stake "business wise" is $26M of the owner's money. There are far too many ways for the Canucks to not get dinged by the recapture penalty for them to gamble that much money on such a remote possibility. Even just Luongo not filing his retirement papers until after the contract ends prevents any recapture. So many options.

At stake "business wise" is $26M of the owner's money. There are far too many ways for the Canucks to not get dinged by the recapture penalty for them to gamble that much money on such a remote possibility. Even just Luongo not filing his retirement papers until after the contract ends prevents any recapture. So many options.
- KB3Point0

Surely teams would prefer the Recapture Penalty to his actual Cap hit?

"Crap now the Sabres want to move their over-priced netminder, who's never done anything and is appending UFA after next year. We've got to move now. GO, GO, GO!"

- Are you talking about Vezina Trophy winner Ryan Milller?
- Gooderbebad

I don't know how Ian thinks Miller is worse than Luongo. It's hard to be a canuck fan and a realist, but it can be done. quite a few do it in the comments section, but not all of us.

Back to the point. Miller and Luongo are both great goalies who are looking for a change, the only real difference is that Luongo's contract is going to make it very hard to get a return, teams will pay through the nose for Miller.

At stake "business wise" is $26M of the owner's money. There are far too many ways for the Canucks to not get dinged by the recapture penalty for them to gamble that much money on such a remote possibility. Even just Luongo not filing his retirement papers until after the contract ends prevents any recapture. So many options.
- KB3Point0

Then he'd have to show up and sit on the bench or press box, catch flights to Nashville, and practice. I have my doubts he'd even look for his equipment bag in the back of the garage for 1 million dollars per year.

And remember Florida (for example) doesn't care if he retires ...they don't care about their share of the Cap Recapture because they aren't a team that spends to the Cap. Hell they'll be pushing him into retirement as soon as he's no longer the starter. The only party penalized in the "early retirement" scenario is Vancity.

I should say though ...I don't know how big the cap recapture even is for Van if he predictably retires at 39 or 40. Maybe the amount isn't that bad in the face of what the Cap limit may be by then??? Maybe it is worth it???

At stake "business wise" is $26M of the owner's money. There are far too many ways for the Canucks to not get dinged by the recapture penalty for them to gamble that much money on such a remote possibility. Even just Luongo not filing his retirement papers until after the contract ends prevents any recapture. So many options.
- KB3Point0

Wait ,l ast year when van fans were trying to ship him to the leafs, we were GUARANTEED that he would retire before then.was that not true?

Florida finally gets a number 1 goalie in Luongo, a solid veteran blue liner in Ballard and can sign Raymond. Really fills a lot of needs for Florida.
Canucks get a good defensive prospect in Gudbranson. Bjugstad is a project but could be a good 3rd or 4th liner. And Florida's first round pick could possibly turn into a good player but it's not a guarantee. Both teams benefit and fill their needs and it's fair.
- hankthetank

and Isles fans make you laugh?

never go full retard.

Been saying this for months. They're slowly figuring it out.
- DrChristianTroy

We're slow like that.


Edit: What no one ever seems to talk about is the out clauses in his contract though, I believe that there's a player and team out clause during the latter part of the contract(not sure if it's still legal under the new CBA).


Double Edit: http://www.faceoff.com/st...9e-4c39-ac85-6c328be5e1d1

Triple Edit: After reading the article, it seems like the clauses are more related to to the NTC so it's not much of a factor. My bad.

No vancouver writer should be saying overprice goalie in a sentence unless theyre talking about lu... your argument for miller is multiplied by 10 years for lu

Ha ha that Bernier for two firsts and a second line was pretty funny. PS the Leafs have won more playoff games than the Canucks in the last two years.

He will be bought out next week.

Ha ha that Bernier for two firsts and a second line was pretty funny. PS the Leafs have won more playoff games than the Canucks in the last two years.
- Zezel

Boom!!!!

Ha ha that Bernier for two firsts and a second line was pretty funny. PS the Leafs have won more playoff games than the Canucks in the last two years.
- Zezel

That's not much to boast about

Why do Vancouver fans think they will be getting blue chip prospects and 1st rounders for Lu? Teams can get him next week for nothing when he is bought out.

Majority yes, because the majority of people are unintelligent mouthbreathing slaves. Anyone who understands what's at stake business wise would buy Luongo out without giving it a second thought.
- DrChristianTroy

I guess I fall into this category then. If Gillis has a deal on the table for Mattias for example and said to Aquillini "I think we should just buy him out instead because of a potential salary cap recapture" Aquillini would probably fire him on the spot.