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ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:13 PM ET
If I even made an offer which I'm on the record saying I wouldn't I'd keep it low & call their bluff if anything.
- ob18


Absolutely, Lombardi is dealing from a position of weakness. There is no way he can get to the FA period without having this resolved. Just play the poker game and be patient.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 22 @ 10:14 PM ET
If Luke Schenn wasn't a flyer I would bet the house the Flyers gave up on Brayden already.
- jstross


I don't know if that would be true.

The Flyers value the young players right now.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:16 PM ET
Absolutely, Lombardi is dealing from a position of weakness. There is no way he can get to the FA period without having this resolved. Just play the poker game and be patient.
- ravishingone


The issue for the Flyers is if they buyout Bryz it has to be done by June 30 but I still make an offer if they want to but keep it low and never move off of it.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 22 @ 10:16 PM ET
I don't know if that would be true.

The Flyers value the young players right now.

- stveshdy


Your lips to Gods ears. I sure hope so.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:18 PM ET
Absolutely, Lombardi is dealing from a position of weakness. There is no way he can get to the FA period without having this resolved. Just play the poker game and be patient.
- ravishingone


I think the bigger issue Homer needs to deal with is moving one of those D-men making big bucks.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 22 @ 10:20 PM ET
I think the bigger issue Homer needs to deal with is moving one of those D-men making big bucks.
- ob18


If they want to get a better return they should move Coburn.

They want to just dump salary than move Mez.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:20 PM ET
That was a thing of beauty
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:21 PM ET
If they want to get a better return they should move Coburn.

They want to just dump salary than move Mez.

- stveshdy


Options.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 22 @ 10:22 PM ET
If they want to get a better return they should move Coburn.

They want to just dump salary than move Mez.

- stveshdy


No hurry in moving Mez. If he can show he's healthy in the pre-season he'll bring more in return even if conditional.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:24 PM ET
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aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 22 @ 10:25 PM ET
Supposedly, her womb is polluted
- KINGKENZO

nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:26 PM ET
No hurry in moving Mez. If he can show he's healthy in the pre-season he'll bring more in return even if conditional.
- jstross


I would have no problem with moving both mez and coburn....I dont value either of them as top 4 guys....coburn has his moments but the money they have invested in this bad defense needs to resolved for this team to move forward
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:28 PM ET
I want to throw a complete opinion question out there.....which blackhawks team is better 2010 team that beat us or this one?.....I say 2010, but what does everybody else think?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 10:35 PM ET
Freidman just said Coots will not be part of any deal if they were to make one for Bernier but the Kings think the Flyers would have a package they'd like more then other teams.
- ob18

read is as good a ready made asset as any cup contender w/ cap issues could hope for. 20 goals, all situations @ 900K.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 22 @ 10:36 PM ET
I would have no problem with moving both mez and coburn....I dont value either of them as top 4 guys....coburn has his moments but the money they have invested in this bad defense needs to resolved for this team to move forward
- nonpoint22


I completely agree. I could careless about the same question "who replaces them"? Find players who can play your style and it wont matter.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 10:42 PM ET
They both want the #1 job it might lead to more locker room issues if the one who doesn't get it isn't happy. Of course I could be wrong and nothing could happen.
- ob18

they were Jr teammates and apparently got along well. this is not an endorsement on my part, but i can tell you that they'd really have to believe in bernier to part w/ read + whatever and then buyout bryz.

they have to nail this w/ either mason or esp bernier. gotta put this goalie crap to bed.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:43 PM ET
read is as good a ready made asset as any cup contender w/ cap issues could hope for. 20 goals, all situations @ 900K.
- isaiah520


Yup, I'd think he'd get more than a guy who has never been a #1 goalie & for the Flyers would really just be another "great hope" to be the goalie they've looked for in net.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 10:45 PM ET
The issue for the Flyers is if they buyout Bryz it has to be done by June 30 but I still make an offer if they want to but keep it low and never move off of it.
- ob18

sound strategy. enuf alternatives out there to play the mkt.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:46 PM ET
sound strategy. enuf alternatives out there to play the mkt.
- isaiah520


Do you feel if they landed Bernier it increase their cup chances or if they don't find a way to play better team d on a consistent basis it won't matter whom they have in net?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 22 @ 10:46 PM ET
I want to throw a complete opinion question out there.....which blackhawks team is better 2010 team that beat us or this one?.....I say 2010, but what does everybody else think?
- nonpoint22


About as unscientific as it gets, but I have a friend that's a Hawks fan and he says he liked the 2010 team better.

Whether that's the better team or not, who knows? I think that team was as deep, forward wise, as this one.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 22 @ 10:48 PM ET
Do you feel if they landed Bernier it increase their cup chances or if they don't find a way to play better team d on a consistent basis it won't matter whom they have in net?
- ob18


Combination of both.

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 22 @ 10:48 PM ET
Do you feel if they landed Bernier it increase their cup chances or if they don't find a way to play better team d on a consistent basis it won't matter whom they have in net?
- ob18


/Team "they need to find a way to play better Team Defense"

What do we know about Jonathan Bernier? Maybe he's the answer. Maybe he's not. I know it takes more than a great goalie.

What the Flyers need is better team D and goaltending commensurate with the money they invest in the position. They've gotten neither recently.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 10:49 PM ET
Combination of both.
- stveshdy


No reason to think if they improved team D that a Bryz/Mason combo wouldn't do the job just as well.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:49 PM ET
read is as good a ready made asset as any cup contender w/ cap issues could hope for. 20 goals, all situations @ 900K.
- isaiah520


See the way I would go with about the Bernier situation is offer them your package if they balk at it then wait to throw an offer sheet. It seems that articles view the kings in a position of strength I dont see it that way cause if he gets to RFA an offer sheet should get him. The kings arent paying there backup goalie 3.85 million...They need to rush so put them under stress
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 10:49 PM ET
I want to throw a complete opinion question out there.....which blackhawks team is better 2010 team that beat us or this one?.....I say 2010, but what does everybody else think?
- nonpoint22

except in goal, the 2010 team. funny, cause you could say that niemi is at least as good as crawford, if not better, now.
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