I completely agree. I could careless about the same question "who replaces them"? Find players who can play your style and it wont matter.
- stveshdy

Coburn is not a bad defender. You need a frigging goalie that can help move the puck out of the zone. Streit is going to help, Mason and whoever are going to help, Lavy stressing forwards help out is going to help. The Dmen, when healthy aren't as bad as people make out.

/Team "they need to find a way to play better Team Defense"

What do we know about Jonathan Bernier? Maybe he's the answer. Maybe he's not. I know it takes more than a great goalie.

What the Flyers need is better team D and goaltending commensurate with the money they invest in the position. They've gotten neither recently.
- johndewar

Yup so makes you really think as to what is the answer to help them win it.

Jagr can't buy a goal. Ice looks pretty bad.

No trip there when Krug tried to hold the puck in? Wow, horrible non-call.

About as unscientific as it gets, but I have a friend that's a Hawks fan and he says he liked the 2010 team better.

Whether that's the better team or not, who knows? I think that team was as deep, forward wise, as this one.
- johndewar

I totally agree...I know its unscientific just a fun question I was debating at work today

No reason to think if they improved team D that a Bryz/Mason combo wouldn't do the job just as well.
- ob18

Bryz has been dreadful here. He just doesn't do enough for that cap hit. He also is a complete mess with the puck on his stick.

Coburn is not a bad defender. You need a frigging goalie that can help move the puck out of the zone. Streit is going to help, Mason and whoever are going to help, Lavy stressing forwards help out is going to help. The Dmen, when healthy aren't as bad as people make out.
- jstross

Completely agree. Bryz is a nightmare in that department.

Bryz has been dreadful here. He just doesn't do enough for that cap hit. He also is a complete mess with the puck on his stick.
- stveshdy

I don't know all about that he hasn't been a stud but hasn't been that bad either. I'm not saying don't buy him out just not this year, use it after next season. We aren't forced to use both buyouts right now.

I totally agree...I know its unscientific just a fun question I was debating at work today
- nonpoint22

2010


no comparison imo...

campbell, buff, ladd, versteeg, younger hossa, niemi

Bryz has been dreadful here. He just doesn't do enough for that cap hit. He also is a complete mess with the puck on his stick.
- stveshdy

he sucks with the puck which is bad from the get go for Lavy's style of play.

Do you feel if they landed Bernier it increase their cup chances or if they don't find a way to play better team d on a consistent basis it won't matter whom they have in net?
- ob18

i think the latter is more important, but if they can get a guy who's part of the team and pretty solid, there's some symbiosis there.

they need to pull together as cause last yr they seemed fractured. this is where lack of continuity is a factor as well.

Do you feel if they landed Bernier it increase their cup chances or if they don't find a way to play better team d on a consistent basis it won't matter whom they have in net?
- ob18

Its never just one thing in hockey... This team is in need of alot of help in all three facets of the game

I totally agree...I know its unscientific just a fun question I was debating at work today
- nonpoint22

I respect talking numbers with today's sports conversations (like it or not, numbers make the world go 'round), but still like a good ole fashioned "What do you think?" question without worrying about Corsi numbers and such.

I don't know all about that he hasn't been a stud but hasn't been that bad either. I'm not saying don't buy him out just not this year, use it after next season. We aren't forced to use both buyouts right now.
- ob18

Going to be a lot of options on the goalie market. Now is the time to buy him out. Bryz is a flake. Take the gift and admit the mistake and dump him.

Its never just one thing in hockey... This team is in need of alot of help in all three facets of the game
- nonpoint22

I agree, so why constantly trade pieces & picks, it's does to me apear they think they can solve all issues by doing it.

I don't know all about that he hasn't been a stud but hasn't been that bad either. I'm not saying don't buy him out just not this year, use it after next season. We aren't forced to use both buyouts right now.
- ob18

If Bryz's cap hit is 3mil or less, are we having this conversation?

I'd like to think we wouldn't. I still feel it's more about his cap hit relative to his play than simply just his play or some female dogy locker room/media thing.

Its never just one thing in hockey... This team is in need of alot of help in all three facets of the game
- nonpoint22

all i ask for is a relatively healthy season. this team has been riddled with major injuries the last two seasons. I think they'd be great as is if they could just stay healthy

I don't know all about that he hasn't been a stud but hasn't been that bad either. I'm not saying don't buy him out just not this year, use it after next season. We aren't forced to use both buyouts right now.
- ob18

I just worry if he suffers an injury and the Flyers get stuck with him. To me its not worth the risk. Move on and give Mason the year (if no Bernier) if he cant handle it they can upgrade at the deadline as well. They have options. Bryz is taking up too much cap space for the production he brings.

See the way I would go with about the Bernier situation is offer them your package if they balk at it then wait to throw an offer sheet. It seems that articles view the kings in a position of strength I dont see it that way cause if he gets to RFA an offer sheet should get him. The kings arent paying there backup goalie 3.85 million...They need to rush so put them under stress
- nonpoint22

the closer they get to the RFA offer sheet period, the more leverage they lose. i think someone mentioned June 30.

he sucks with the puck which is bad from the get go for Lavy's style of play.
- jstross

He is a system goalie, I mean Phoenix played a defensive system that makes goalies look good...I mean the person who should be the most pissed off about bryz lack of success is Mike Smith cause every team will wonder that about him now....couldnt make it in Tampa and now he had a stud year in same system in Phoenix

Going to be a lot of options on the goalie market. Now is the time to buy him out. Bryz is a flake. Take the gift and admit the mistake and dump him.
- jstross

That might be many opinions and I am not saying I'm not part of it but saying you aren't forced to buy him out now.

I get the impression that they don't care about all the other options it's either Bernier or they go with a Bryz/Mason combo.

The Flyers go big or the don't go at all.

Going to be a lot of options on the goalie market. Now is the time to buy him out. Bryz is a flake. Take the gift and admit the mistake and dump him.
- jstross

Agree.

That might be many opinions and I am not saying I'm not part of it but saying you aren't forced to buy him out now.

I get the impression that they don't care about all the other options it's either Bernier or they go with a Bryz/Mason combo.

The Flyers go big or the don't go at all.
- ob18

At this point they gotta get rid of bryz from a PR stand point nobody in this town wants to root or this guy, the saga needs to end and I was a big bryz suppoeter but the poor play on the ice and the saga off of it is just what puts it over the top with me...He needs to go bye bye next week

He is a system goalie, I mean Phoenix played a defensive system that makes goalies look good...I mean the person who should be the most pissed off about bryz lack of success is Mike Smith cause every team will wonder that about him now....couldnt make it in Tampa and now he had a stud year in same system in Phoenix
- nonpoint22

I agree, Bryz and Lavy are like oil and water. Nobody to blame here but the GM and I'm a benefit of the doubt guy with Homer. What do I know though, I wanted them to tank last year and get a top 5 pick and pick up a 3rd and 4th rounder to trade up into the 1st with 35 and extra picks.

If Bryz's cap hit is 3mil or less, are we having this conversation?

I'd like to think we wouldn't. I still feel it's more about his cap hit relative to his play than simply just his play or some female dogy locker room/media thing.
- johndewar

Seven more seasons at that cap hit is just horrendous.

Going with Mason who can provide the same production for a quarter of the cap hit makes sense to me.

At this point they gotta get rid of bryz from a PR stand point nobody in this town wants to root or this guy, the saga needs to end and I was a big bryz suppoeter but the poor play on the ice and the saga off of it is just what puts it over the top with me...He needs to go bye bye next week
- nonpoint22

Under 8 days to make a call.